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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:15 PM Jun 2016

BREAKING: Hillary Clinton tried to suppress the Latino vote in Puerto Rico!

Bernie saved the the day by reporting what was happening in Puerto Rico prisons to the votes there!

Thank you Bernie and shame on all you people who defend suppressing the Latino vote and are voting for Hillary.



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BREAKING: Hillary Clinton tried to suppress the Latino vote in Puerto Rico! (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 OP
I am so over this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #1
Are you equally outraged about Bernie's campaign asking for reduced poll locations in PR? LonePirate Jun 2016 #5
I siuspect this will be the flying chair of the caribean nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #6
So you believe every alleged claim against Hillary but none against Bernie? LonePirate Jun 2016 #10
Nope, but that has been a clear pattern nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #12
I don't think you care as much about voting issues as you claim. LonePirate Jun 2016 #18
Sure, that is why I have not considered the 2000 or 2004 electiosn legiimate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #21
You just don't think... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #23
It is indeed a clear pattern... brooklynite Jun 2016 #33
So what we saw in AZ wiht a real lawsuit did not happen? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #39
That was a lawsuit by the DNC and the Clinton campaign...the Sanders campaign joined in later brooklynite Jun 2016 #40
The order was reversed by both did, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #48
"the flying chair of the caribean" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #14
I laughed at this as well. reformist2 Jun 2016 #43
Love it! QC Jun 2016 #44
You think Bernie Sanders has the power to make any state Dem. Party reduce their number of polls? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #7
When the state party says so, then yes I do. LonePirate Jun 2016 #8
I think you'll find those state party officials are aligned with the Clinton campaign Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #9
Ergo machine politics nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #13
When you refuse to believe multiple sources, it's not the source showing partisanship. LonePirate Jun 2016 #16
partisanship?!?! Surely you jest. This wouldn't be the first time Democratic Party officials have Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #17
Your claims don't pass the smell test. LonePirate Jun 2016 #20
So which Senator Boxer you want to believe nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #25
Is that aligning with dough ......... bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #26
Not true. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #35
How many news sources would you like me to cite to show it is true? LonePirate Jun 2016 #36
Hillary might be seeing some major slippage among Latino voters in California. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #34
every primary election has been a fraud... chillfactor Jun 2016 #2
Well then we are even Howler Jun 2016 #4
There was only fraud if Hillary won. The ones Sanders won were just peachy. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #22
I'm really sick of the disgusting nasty comments about Bernie and his SUPPORTERS! bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #29
LOL -- facts are pesky things, and here they are: MADem Jun 2016 #3
Suppressing the latino vote in Puerto Rico???... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #11
Not to mention that the majority have been for her for months. nt anotherproletariat Jun 2016 #42
Totally Corrupt! No End to the Criminality amborin Jun 2016 #15
Jazus fuck, are people too stupid to understand Lars39 Jun 2016 #19
Why, yes... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #24
I used to think it was willful ignorance, Lars39 Jun 2016 #37
Excellent DUzy MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #38
Heh, glad to be of service! Lars39 Jun 2016 #41
11 days MFM008 Jun 2016 #27
Bernie's campaign saved the day by stealing two ballot boxes? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #28
That's as believable as suppression of the white in Vermont. RandySF Jun 2016 #30
There's a thread almost just like this one, only specifying California, that was hidden. nt cry baby Jun 2016 #31
FALSE.....made up shit from a sore loser. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #32
Tried to suppress the "Latino vote"? brush Jun 2016 #45
"suppress the Latino vote in Puerto Rico" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #46
Latino vote in Puerto Rico seems redundant until you realize I had a reason for writing it like that Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #47
Dishonesty Renew Deal Jun 2016 #51
Lemme guess, you're one of those who uses Latino & Hispanic interchangably Tarc Jun 2016 #49
Puerto Rico Dems 'appalled' by accusations from Sanders camp Gothmog Jun 2016 #50
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. I am so over this
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

that when the Rs steal it in November, they will try, I will care, for the country, not for Democrats.

You sure saw this from Politico



Bernie Sanders’s campaign is accusing Puerto Rico’s Democratic Party officials of fraud in the territory’s presidential primary.

The campaign’s head of Hispanic voter efforts, Betsy Franceschini, told Caribbean Business in an interview that Sanders officials were initially denied access to prisons to help inmates vote.

“Our Bernie Sanders officials were never certified. We had 40 officials we submitted in time for the prisons. Not one of them was certified, while all of theirs went in. Attorney Manny Suárez had to go in order for us to be let in. This is a great fraud,” Franceschini said.


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282228-sanders-campaign-accuses-puerto-rico-dem-officials-of-fraud

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
5. Are you equally outraged about Bernie's campaign asking for reduced poll locations in PR?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jun 2016

If you're going to swing a broad brush against alleged tactics from one side, you should also swing it against tactics from the other.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. I siuspect this will be the flying chair of the caribean
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

it is a pattern

And I am over it. When the Rs steal it, I will care for the election integrity violation, but that is about it.

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
10. So you believe every alleged claim against Hillary but none against Bernie?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jun 2016

Seems like your partisanship is clouding your judgment.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Nope, but that has been a clear pattern
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

we have an exaggerated claim, with no proof, which gets shot down after the damage is done,. And this is about CA, you know why? We vote, my county is expecting presidential level turnout, (good thing, we need to pass prop I in this city), but this is what this is about. It also has a name, and has not been seen in this crass of a manner for at least two generations, It is called machine politics.

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
18. I don't think you care as much about voting issues as you claim.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

You deem some serious and others as exaggerations based simply on your own whims. Others might believe your commitment to the issue but your concern seems pretty unserious to me.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. Sure, that is why I have not considered the 2000 or 2004 electiosn legiimate
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jun 2016

since fraud was extensive where it mattered? Of course back then it was popular here.

So there is that. And we are getting to the point that 2016, regardless of who wins, has already crossed that line. Ah to be 18 back in Mexico City where we were all aware of this, and did not pretend...

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. You just don't think...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jun 2016

...as to the reasons, we know them already. Nice record of posts in the last 90 days, BTW.

Pah-leeeze

brooklynite

(93,154 posts)
33. It is indeed a clear pattern...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jun 2016

...every time Clinton wins, Sanders SUPPORTERS claim cheating and the Sanders CAMPAIGN never challenges the results.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
39. So what we saw in AZ wiht a real lawsuit did not happen?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

Ok,

So his people were certified in PR? It is a pattern and this one is about CA.

By the way, here is more, let me see if you knew that.Of course I like they did that, partly, should be done everywhere. But you know why they closed down to 450 precincts? Of course I need to go to Univisoon, becuase your vaunted MSNBC about this, why they needed to certify, observers, it makes more sense. They were going to count by hand, So you need observers.

You Spanish is good?

http://www.univision.com/nueva-york/wxtv/noticias/primarias-puerto-rico/un-reto-poder-votar-en-la-primaria-del-partido-democrata-en-puerto-rico

This is actually worst, Why they needed all those certified campaign observers. Those are authorized and certified by the parties, not the campaigns.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. You think Bernie Sanders has the power to make any state Dem. Party reduce their number of polls?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

Totally unbelievable. Some people will believe anything.

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
8. When the state party says so, then yes I do.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jun 2016

Perhaps you should put aside your partisan blinders and look at the truth.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
9. I think you'll find those state party officials are aligned with the Clinton campaign
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jun 2016

They aren't neutral.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
17. partisanship?!?! Surely you jest. This wouldn't be the first time Democratic Party officials have
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

lied to smear Bernie Sanders.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. So which Senator Boxer you want to believe
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jun 2016

this one?



or this one

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/18/1528000/-Barbara-Boxer-I-feared-for-my-safety-It-was-frightening-scary-at-Nevada-convention

This is part of the pattern, one of the better known. By the way, machine politics does work this way. It is crass, it is disgusting and we had a revolt outside of Chicago in 1968 becuase of shit like this. Democrats and Republcians have forgotten those lessons.

LonePirate

(13,366 posts)
36. How many news sources would you like me to cite to show it is true?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jun 2016

Put aside your partisanship and look at the facts.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
34. Hillary might be seeing some major slippage among Latino voters in California.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jun 2016

That could explain tonight's ambush spin storm about Bernie somehow suppressing the vote in Puerto Rico.

chillfactor

(7,557 posts)
2. every primary election has been a fraud...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jun 2016

according to bernie and his supporters...I will be so happy when Skinner's new policies go into place after Tuesday.....I am really really sick of bernie and his supporters.

TwilightZone

(24,620 posts)
22. There was only fraud if Hillary won. The ones Sanders won were just peachy.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jun 2016

No problems at all in those states.

(I'm being sarcastic, of course....)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. LOL -- facts are pesky things, and here they are:
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jun 2016
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282285-puerto-rico-long-lines-polling-stations

The commonwealth initially had 1,510 polling locations. But it announced last month that the number of polling locations would be cut to 455 for the Sunday primary.
Robert Prats, president of the Democratic Party on the island, said the 455 locations are four times more than the number of polling locations open in the Republican primary in March.

Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders were up in arms over the cuts, with supporters tweeting about the change. A "Sanders for President" reddit page also called the reduction "about as bad as Arizona" and dozens of Sanders supporters voiced concerns about the cuts on the page.

But the local party told MSNBC that the Sanders campaign had requested fewer stations.






dubyadiprecession

(5,518 posts)
11. Suppressing the latino vote in Puerto Rico???...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

Suppressing their vote? So what other group will come out to vote, if they can't vote at the polls? Last time i checked, the island is 99% latino. BS supporters are getting extremely desperate.

Lars39

(26,081 posts)
19. Jazus fuck, are people too stupid to understand
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

that the polling locations were cut because of austerity measures?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/05/puerto-rico-democratic-primary-debt-crisis

Per The Guardian:
Now, further austerity cuts have slashed polling stations to fewer than one-third of the 1,115 sites originally announced last month, sparking accusations from supporters of Bernie Sanders of voter suppression.

Lars39

(26,081 posts)
41. Heh, glad to be of service!
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

But this primary's like a cavalry charge...they run you over coming and going. Beats all I've seen here since 2002.

brush

(52,869 posts)
45. Tried to suppress the "Latino vote"?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Do you mean they tried to shut down the whole election?

Who do you think the voters are in Puerto Rico?

Gothmog

(142,832 posts)
50. Puerto Rico Dems 'appalled' by accusations from Sanders camp
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jun 2016

You have to give the state more than ten minutes to approve these people. Sanders showed up late and again expected special treatment http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282237-puerto-rico-democratic-party-denies-wrongdoing-in-primary

"I am appalled at the remarks from the spokesperson of the Bernie Sanders Campaign in Puerto Rico, Ms. Betsy Franceschini," local Democratic Party president Roberto Prats said in a statement.

Franceschini had accused party officials in Puerto Rico of withholding certifications from Sanders officials, initially preventing them from organizing voters in prisons.

"The claim that the Democratic Party is delaying the certification of the Sanders' poll workers is preposterous. The first complete set of pollworkers for tomorrow's primary we have certified were all from the Sanders Campaign."

Prats also said certifying poll workers is out of the hands of the party and that the Sanders campaign did not allow much time before it began accusing the party of fraud.

"Inmate voting is handled not by the Democratic Party but by the Commonwealth's Absentee and Advance Vote Administrative Board," Prats said. "I have been told that the Sanders campaign submitted their prison pollworker list at 6:10 pm on the evening prior to inmate voting and began complaining early in the following morning that the Board had not completed their pollworker's certification. But in the end, despite the late submittal, the Sanders campaign had representatives at the prison voting places."
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