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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:36 PM Jun 2016

If the media calls the nomination over before California polls close, they will hurt voter turnout

and hurt any other Democrats and issues that may be on the ballots. Not that they would care though since the mainstream media are mostly a bunch of boot-licking corporate shills.

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If the media calls the nomination over before California polls close, they will hurt voter turnout (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 OP
It's part of the plan! dchill Jun 2016 #1
More veiled threats and concern bravenak Jun 2016 #2
Clinton supports the private prisons that make profits out of imprisoning POC. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #26
The largest voter suppression ever attempted Skink Jun 2016 #3
the MSM wants her scandals for purposes of $$$$ grasswire Jun 2016 #4
Cynical git! Lars39 Jun 2016 #9
The nomination was over in March. LexVegas Jun 2016 #5
Not really. Most of us voted weeks ago--mail-in. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #6
Millions of people still vote at the polls on election day Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #10
Good, then you've nothing to worry about! Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #23
We are use to that in CA. I can't remember the year but they called the Presidential election upaloopa Jun 2016 #7
The OP is full of BS. There are Senate, assembly seats, propositions, local and state, etc. I have still_one Jun 2016 #12
Because Sanders voters aren't dedicated enough to stay on line? brooklynite Jun 2016 #8
If that is the only item on the ballot they care about, that speaks volumes about them still_one Jun 2016 #13
No they won't hurt the voter turnout in California. There are more issues on the ballot than just still_one Jun 2016 #11
People know the numbers. Will know what is happening in NJ. How silly to suggest it will seabeyond Jun 2016 #14
You're right -- Clinton voters probably will go out for celebratory drinks rather than vote. onenote Jun 2016 #15
It is called the Bandwagon effect nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #18
They aren't just corporate shills, they are corporations - all 6 of them that own 90% of the MSM. bjo59 Jun 2016 #16
They do not care nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #17
Chris Matthews ADMITTED this: AzDar Jun 2016 #19
gee are bernie supporters so weak that they will refuse to vote based on this? nt msongs Jun 2016 #20
I think that the media is going to call it, just like they did in 2008. Beacool Jun 2016 #21
They were prepared to call it tonight MFM008 Jun 2016 #27
Reaching for any old excuse, eh? Tarc Jun 2016 #22
Going forward, all the states, districts, and territories should vote on the same day Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2016 #24
This is a valid concern and it happens every election (primary and general). Garrett78 Jun 2016 #25
They know the numbers tonight. People aren't stupid or blind. Call it or not, seabeyond Jun 2016 #28
Of course Clinton will be the nominee and of course it's not because of contests being called early. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #30
I don't think they are talking calling the state before poll close but calling Clinton's nominee seabeyond Jun 2016 #31
The OP does indicate that, yes. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #33
You seem to think.. KULawHawk Jun 2016 #29
That's the whole point, isn't it? It's how they operate. senz Jun 2016 #32
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. Clinton supports the private prisons that make profits out of imprisoning POC.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton supports job killing Free Trade what the hell it's only jobs.

She supports Fracking for oil profits and to hell with the water quality for the peons.

She doesn't believe those suffering in pain should get medical marijuana because her friends at Big Pharma don't get a cut.

Clinton has supported wars that have killed over a million people and, unlike most people having empathy, supports cluster bombs that are particularly deadly to children.


Skink

(10,122 posts)
3. The largest voter suppression ever attempted
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jun 2016

2 Pm pst.

Atleast it will probably be the HRC crowd that stays home.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. the MSM wants her scandals for purposes of $$$$
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

The drama. The investigations. Bill. The Foundation.

All of it generates big bucks for media.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. We are use to that in CA. I can't remember the year but they called the Presidential election
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jun 2016

while I was driving home from work at 5:00 PM.

So now many of us vote permanently absentee. I voted for Hillary weeks ago.

still_one

(91,471 posts)
12. The OP is full of BS. There are Senate, assembly seats, propositions, local and state, etc. I have
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

been voting in California for more than 30 years, and I have NEVER missed an election.

I also do what you do upaloopa, I am a permanent absentee DEMOCRATIC voter


still_one

(91,471 posts)
11. No they won't hurt the voter turnout in California. There are more issues on the ballot than just
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

the presidential primary. There is Barbara Boxer's Senate seat, various assembly seats, propositions, and initiatives.

Are you from California?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. People know the numbers. Will know what is happening in NJ. How silly to suggest it will
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

Be a deciding factor in voting. Clinton only needs a few. California knows their vote won't make a difference. They will choose to vote or not. Calling it isn't a factor.

onenote

(41,993 posts)
15. You're right -- Clinton voters probably will go out for celebratory drinks rather than vote.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jun 2016

Seriously, why does declaring a winner hold down the votes of the loser's side more than the winner's? Logic would suggest that both have at best equal reasons to pass up voting.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. It is called the Bandwagon effect
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jun 2016

and we have known of this in the United states since the 1980 Reagan Carter election.. though I am not surprised you have not heard of this, It's not like the US Press explains this.

Beacool

(30,240 posts)
21. I think that the media is going to call it, just like they did in 2008.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think that they care about voter turnout in the Western states. They'll want to have the breaking news moment. After all, it will be a historical nomination. The first woman to be the nominee of a major political party is as historical as Obama's nomination was in 2008.

MFM008

(19,745 posts)
27. They were prepared to call it tonight
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:21 AM
Jun 2016

if she had gotten there. The minute she reaches the magic number its going to be

P R E S U M P T I V E N O M I N E E Hillary Clinton

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,780 posts)
24. Going forward, all the states, districts, and territories should vote on the same day
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

..or have their votes counted on the same day.

Registered Democrats should receive ballots from their state parties; vote in the privacy of their home; and return the ballot by mail. Votes should be counted by a third party accounting firm. If it were up to me, winning candidates would be determined by votes and there would not be delegates. Alternatively, there would be one delegate per congressional district, and the candidate with the majority of elected delegates would win.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
25. This is a valid concern and it happens every election (primary and general).
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jun 2016

But I'll be damned if I know what to do about it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. They know the numbers tonight. People aren't stupid or blind. Call it or not,
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jun 2016

They know Clinton wins well before they even start voting. This makes no sense.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
30. Of course Clinton will be the nominee and of course it's not because of contests being called early.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jun 2016

In general, though, I think it's problematic for states to be called while the polls are still open. Whether it's a primary or the night of the general election. The media calling contests before the polls close can hinder turnout, especially for the person who the media reports being the loser. Sure, some supporters of the winner won't bother to vote, but I would think the supporters of the loser are more demoralized (and less inclined to bother voting).

Regardless of which candidate one supports, there are questionable aspects of the political process. Caucuses, superdelegates, the media calling a contest before polls close, campaign financing, etc.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
31. I don't think they are talking calling the state before poll close but calling Clinton's nominee
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jun 2016

Before California is done. New Jersey on east coast will give it to Clinton. When jersey polls close and is called Clinton nominee then the argument is California is still open.

Well, so, isn't like everyone doesn't already know jersey will put her over.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
33. The OP does indicate that, yes.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

So, I suppose I'm making a separate point, which is just that I don't think a contest should be called before the polls close. But the media is all about being the first to report something, and I don't see that changing.

As far as the Clinton vs. Sanders race, it was clear by mid-March that Clinton would end up with more pledged delegates.

 

KULawHawk

(97 posts)
29. You seem to think..
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jun 2016

the media cares about the process or even that they haven't already been fed and rehashing the same narrative of her being the nominee from day 1.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
32. That's the whole point, isn't it? It's how they operate.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jun 2016

Of course it would be a lie. But that doesn't stop them anymore.

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