2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFirst a Black Man. Soon a Woman.
The political landscape of national politics has changed dramatically. This nation will never be the same, and that's a wonderful thing to behold for this 70 year old white man. I love it!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)And didn't that just work out so wonderfully.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)And Hillary Clinton is not Margaret Thatcher. I just wanted to clear up your confusion on those two things.
Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)
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nolabear
(41,959 posts)If you think that's all that being a woman in the office means then you need to do some deep reflection and learn a hell of a lot of history.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)That is sexist and offensive. So is the attempt to equate the challenges facing male candidates and her as the same but for genitals. That is as bigoted as minimizing the racism endured by blacks to merely a phenomenon of skin tone. The possession of physical characteristics is not the issue. The talents, leadership, equal representation, discrimination and wholesale disenfranchisement of people who have them is. That you would deny the experience, intelligence, qualifications, voice, leadership and perspective of a woman and reduce all of those qualities to a body part is rank sexism.
Please delete your post.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)From the very start, women are the equals of men, and always have been. That they have the ability to bear children has nothing whatever to do with their abilities.
Vaginas don't have any relationship to the job of being President of the United States. Nor do the sexual organs of any man. It's very sad that you would even mention that, I think.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)nope no misogyny or hate here.
10 days. Happy trails.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)cut from the same political ideology cloth...
HRC is republican light, he ever shifting progression by being pushed left proves that out...
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)No matter which way this primary went, we were in for a first.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Finally, any natural born citizen can dream of becoming President.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a far larger and more important achievement.
Jews, like my husband, are measured at 2.2% of the U.S. population currently, including those of "no religion."
Women are over half not just the U.S. population but of almost all racial, religious and ethnic subgroups, including Jews. Women earn q lot less than Jewish men in the same work, far less if they're Hispanic. Jewish men have sovereignty over their reproductive systems. The most dangerous place on average for an American woman (including Jews) is in her own home, the safest for Jewish men. There're lots more, dozens of them, like who gets to raise the kids on a low income and who gets to travel and tool around in an expensive car, but we all have run across so many of them at various times.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)or a pacifist
or a LGBT
or a veteran with disabilities
what a wonderful thing to look forward to
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)It wasn't that long ago that women didn't even have the right to vote, and even less time since a black man couldn't use many restrooms or water fountains. Far less time since many people couldn't marry the person they loved. Progress has been made. Progress will continue to be made.
Those things are significant changes. Onward!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to dismiss the importance of this for the last yr of Clinton's primary win. And win it soundly.
I too was willing to say, not our turn, again this election for the possibility of greater accountability. Sanders wasn't the one. I am thankful for that, in now I get to support a woman, that will shatter another glass ceiling and do to the country for women and girls what Obama did for AA.
Triana
(22,666 posts)The head of the US Chamber of Commerce says that she WILL support TPP after she's elected. In order to get elected, she's lying to Americans. Again.
Just in my opinion, the US is lost as anything resembling a Democracy or Democratic Republic or a Republic.
Electing Bernie Sanders - the ONLY SANE person and the ONLY Democrat running, might enable us to save some semblance of America for common people - the working people, the middle class and the poor - such that they have a voice in their own gov't.
But electing HER NOW will make the transition of this nation from a Republic to an Oligarchy permanent and irreversible.
If the US doesn't elect Bernie Sanders, they are insane, psychopathic and lost. Not to mention irretrievably stupid.
The country will never EVER be a Republic again. The laws that make America an oligarchy are in the TPP and Hillary WILL ensure it gets passed.
We're turning into Somalia. I guess that's what the US wants. Everyone is all goon-eyed about "the first woman President".
Fat lot that's going to get Americans when SHE codifies into law the US as a permanent OLIGARCHY via TPP and God only knows what else.
"First woman President" loses all value to me as anything symbolic or otherwise when this woman sells our lives and America's soul - by LAW - into the hands of the Capitalists and profiteers, who would kill, murder, torture, or let die anyone, anywhere, anytime and for any reason as long as it begat CORPORATE PROFIT for the money-changers.
I just don't care. She's a 1960's Republican. Nixon in pantsuit. Our own Maggie Thatcher.
People today have NO memory, NO historical perspective of what any of this means. ALL THEY SEE IS "first woman President" -- and that's IT. The YUUUUUGE blind spot people have where she is concerned is as big as a galaxy and it will - mark my words - suck America into permanent Oligarchy if not full-on Fascism.
It will destroy my own life and the lives of countless others who did nothing to deserve that barbaric destruction other than follow the rules, work hard, get an education and work to survive and take care of themselves and their families.
Yet they get NO say in their own government because they haven't enough money to PAY anyone in government to listen to them.
And aren't you PROUD about that America? The World brought you their tired, poor huddled masses and you killed them or drove them into poverty for corporate profit and shut them out of a decent life or a representative government.
You have officially BECOME THAT WHICH YOU SOUGHT INDEPENDENCE from back in 1776.
IDIOTS.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I hope you'll see why your post is incorrect at some point. If not, then good luck to you.
CapnSteve
(219 posts)...right up until you called me an idiot.
That's OK, you're upset. I am glad you are using your words instead of your fists.
Peace.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Women who are against TPP will get TPP, etc.
One woman in one job does not equal progress for ALL women.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Contact your Congressional elected officials about that. Both Democratic presidential candidates support a nationwide increase in the minimum wage. The exact amount isn't really their call. Congress will decide that, so be sure to campaign for your Democratic candidates in the House and Senate, too. Hillary will sign the minimum wage increasing bills sent to her.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)and then claim the other guy wants to dismantle ACA.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)And I'm glad Obama and Clinton are Democrats. I always hated the Reagan beat us to SCOTUS.
I'm feeling pretty lousy about my party these days, but I am proud that the Democratic party helped break through those glass ceilings.
BootinUp
(47,136 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I never thought I would see these things in my lifetime.
And lets not forget it was the democratic party that made it happen!
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)The Democratic Party breaks barriers, again and again. May it continue and flourish.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)CapnSteve
(219 posts)If we vote (and we MUST vote):
Think of the delta in coattails the two candidates have. Positive for Hillary, and negative for Donald. The power of this will flip the Senate, narrow the margin in the house, and ripple though all the state elections as well. Texas could actually flip to blue! I am so excited!
President Clinton will bring the SCOTUS back to reason and balance. Justice Barack Obama, anyone? Oh please oh please oh please!
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Most of us will continue to suffer under the establishment.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Please elaborate, won't you?
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)That makes him establishment, IMO.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Nuff said...
BootinUp
(47,136 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Something Hillary supporters do not handle well....hence your reply.
BootinUp
(47,136 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So you do this
BootinUp
(47,136 posts)crazies, to Hillary Clinton who has been nominated for President by the D party. How else can I help you see the stupid?
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)That you equate them is very striking, I think.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Victoria Claflin Woodhull (1872) - The first woman to run for United States President, Woodhull was the candidate of the Equal Rights Party. Her opponents were Ulysses S. Grant (R) and Horace Greeley (D). Woodhull, born in Homer, Ohio on September 23, 1838, traveled with her parents practicing spiritualist activities. She fought for womens rights and founded her own newspaper. She became the first woman to own a Wall Street investment firm. Died 1927.
Belva Ann Bennett Lockwood (1884 and 1888) - Lockwood ran for President under the banner of the Equal Rights Party in 1884, when the major party candidates were Grover Cleveland (D) and James G. Blaine (R), and in 1888, when the election was decided by the electoral college, with Grover Cleveland (D) winning the popular vote and Benjamin Harrison (R) winning the electoral vote and the presidency. Lockwood was born in Royalton, New York in 1830, and educated at Genessee College in Lima, New York and National University, Washington, D.C. She was admitted to the bar in Washington, D.C. in 1873. In 1879 she drafted the law passed by Congress which admitted women to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court; she then became the first woman lawyer to practice before the Court. Died 1917.
It has been a long time coming, and so is long past due.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)It's always been about the content of the character, not the color of the skin or the state of the genitals. Her character doesn't pass muster for me and I will never vote for her. It's not like we're collecting one from each sector.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)have integrity.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)If a Clinton agenda isn't noticeably different from her predecessors, her presidency would be a powerful symbol to American girls and women. We could at least slay that bugbear.
Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)Hillary will be elected and I still will be in the same status that I have. Nothing more, nothing less.
A woman president isn't going to get me full time work or lift my economic status from surviving paycheck to paycheck.
On Nov. 9, I won't be upset nor cheering.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Given a choice between an incompetent woman and a competent white male Anglo-Saxon, I'll vote for competence every time.
Unfortunately, with Hillary v. Trump we will not be given the choice of voting for competence this time around.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)We've fought and bled and died for equality and the rights that men have always taken as their due. It's time.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)Ain't it great!
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Finally, this country is getting closer to being a society of equal opportunity. We're not there, but this is a good step in that direction.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I remember seeing her wiping her eyes at Hillary's concession speech in 2008. She would have been so proud to see her daughter finally break the presidential glass ceiling and become the first woman nominee of a major political party.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Fly by night
(5,265 posts)... candidates in this and many a year are being foisted on us as our choice.
Maybe yours. Certainly not mine.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)nature of what is happening now, and the reporters are giving examples of people they met who are feeling the significance of what our next nominee means!
Thank you for this thread.