2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat time will Obama endorse Clinton tomorrow?
Fat lady has to be warming up now...
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)But for some reason, Bernie and many of his supporters don't care for Obama either, so they will ignore him.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Just as they now hate Sanders
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama almost certainly will say Clinton won on Wednesday, but a formal endorsement may lag by a 7-10 days.
onenote
(42,685 posts)I would imagine some conversations between the Obama political folks and Sanders' team have begun in this regard.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is the question.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)given his flailing about the Clinton Foundation lately, I think he's going out guns blazing
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I do think he may ask Senator Sanders over for a beer to discuss what has to be done, however.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Besides, the President isn't going to ask the loser for permission on who to endorse. He doesn't need Sanders permission to do anything.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)..and spell out what happens if he doesn't
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and the party could be of help to Sanders if they worked together. They could help Sanders a great deal if he wanted what they could offer, but I also have read that there is little they could do to Sanders if he chose fight his own foes in his own way, including them.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Leading is most likely not an option after tomorrow.
Sanders can still play an important role even if he is not the nominee. I think he'll be told that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)can't tell him to just get out of the public picture, for instance. That's up to him and his followers.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)by which I mean:
- Committee assignments as good as or better than he has now
- Obama would come campaign on his behalf should he run again, and he could get more say in his successor
- Hillary will at least consult him on the Veep pick
The alternative is:
- He becomes invisible in the Senate
- He does not receive choice committee assignments
- He gets no help from any Democrats come reelection
I don't think he needs to be lovey-dovey with Hillary, but if he wants to continue to work with Democrats in the Senate (and really what are his other options?), he needs to at least convey that Hillary is a better choice than Trump.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I'm not in the "fight until the convention" camp. I would rather see him go out on a high note. He doesn't have to release his delegates though.
That said, I don't think he will need help from the president or anyone else winning reelection to his Senate seat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)when I thought he might end up as just a spoiler, leaving everyone else to try to undo his damage, but he is saying that we must defeat Trump, so I believe he will end up, as Algernon says, "generally cooperative."
His idea of "a high note," though, is going to be more push, push, pushing the party farther left if he can. Not going out so much as moving to a next stage.
He may concede soon, and of course that'd be nice, but I'm inclined to believe he means just what he says: That he's in through the convention, as he puts it, or that he's going to try to overset the majority vote as I put it.
He won't have to run for senate again for 4 years in any case--if he even does. (He'll be 78 and it's a 6-year-term.) So I also doubt concerns about reelection will shape his decisions.
All in all, I'm mostly expecting to be irritated and probably occasionally angry for some weeks still. Feel free to prove me wrong, Bernie.
Income and wealth inequality have reached obscene levels, the threat of climate change is more frightening than ever, and the billionaire class is now allowed to spend unlimited amounts of money to buy the candidate they want. And it is up to us to stand up and fight back. If we stand together, there is no limit to what we can accomplish.
If you can't afford to take care of your veterans , then don't go to war. - Bernie Sanders
(If this man had the simple competence to understand liberals and radicals in and out of office are on the same side of these issues and to put that force to work, imo he'd probably be our nominee.)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and just what would the POTUS be threatening the Senator with?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Committee seats he can choose to caucus as a true independent and possibly cost the Democratic Party a slim chance at a majority in 2017.
They need Bernie as much as Bernie needed them to run for president.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)He's have to stand with the GOP. Not likely.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Either party and abstain from voting for the Senate Majority Leader. If the party controls 48 seats, plus one independent from Maine, that gives us 49 seats. Republicans would hold 50, neither would hold a majority.
True, Sanders wouldn't get any seats on committee, but he could throw the whole thing into disarray.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=2149389
The Budget Committee is a very powerful spot for obvious reasons, and the Veterans Committee gives him a unique ability to aid constituents. Energy and NR is also powerful. I don't think he'd want to lose those.
PepperHarlan
(124 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)his eye is on is not the chance to kick a losing primary candidate. It's all going to be about what Sanders could do to help elect Democrats.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)The White House statement appeared to ratify Hillary Clinton's claim to the nomination: "The President congratulated Secretary Clinton for securing the delegates necessary to clinch the Democratic Nomination for President," the statement, issued by the White House press secretary, read.
According to the statement, President Obama called both Clinton and Sanders, and "congratulated both candidates for running inspiring campaigns that have energized Democrats, brought a new generation of Americans into the political process, and shined a spotlight on important policy ideas aimed at making sure our economy and our politics work for everybody, not just those with wealth and power."
Obama "thanked Senator Sanders for energizing millions of Americans with his commitment to issues like fighting economic inequality and special interests' influence on our politics."
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Who wanted to primary Obama in 12.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)After the DC primary or Bernie's concession, whichever comes first. Same with Biden and Warren.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)There is no reason to wait. And it will put an end to Sander's nonsense.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Are Sanders supporters. As the head of the party and the leader of ALL Democrats, the president should -- and will -- let the primary process run its course before weighing in.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)many on Bernie's side taking what is in my opinion quite a warped view of "run it's course."
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)and I say that as a Bernie voter.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)typically have an outside-the-mainstream view that's normally one of disappointment in the end, though. I believe they will do this properly like gentlemen and like the very competent political leaders they are. A slap at Bernie would be a slap at all those who wanted him for president, including those ready to move on to support the nominee. They won't do that.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Open primaries do that.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)That so-called independents are overwhelmingly either very reliable Dem or very reliable GOP voters. The notion that non-party-affiliated voters are independent in their thinking is a myth.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Who are so marginalized and do not deserve to be treated like their primary doesn't matter.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He'll be in New York that day.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)He must be in on the rigging
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)But everyone knows he teamed up with Hillary Clinton to steal the nomination from Bernie.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)He's going to her turf to do it. How awesome. Love that guy.
onenote
(42,685 posts)And, as others have suggested, I think the Obama team will let the Sanders team know that they have a very short window after the DC primary to announce that they're acknowledging Clinton as the nominee before Obama makes his announcement. But they won't let Sanders slow roll them.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)may wait until after the DC primary to issue a formal message of endorsement. But, he will privately or subtly indicate his intent very soon.
Wed at the earliest.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)intent signifying sooner and maybe more indirectly than subtly? Supposedly he's eager to charge into the GE battle.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)So I'm guessing around 10AM on 6/15.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It could be Wednesday morning, even.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)The inimitable Maria Catlas preparing for a rendition of "O mio babbino gatto".