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floriduck

(2,262 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:37 AM Jun 2016

Yikes! Carol Costello in attack mode against Simone Sanders on CNN now.

First she uses to super delegates to say Hillary needs about 23 delegates and Bernie has no chance. Simone accurately explained those super-Ds don't vote until July. So from a pledged delegate count, the race is still undetermined. Then Carol shows a fake concern for young voters being disengaged when Bernie loses.

Here's a thought; stay the fuck away from Costello and her Clinton talking points.

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Yikes! Carol Costello in attack mode against Simone Sanders on CNN now. (Original Post) floriduck Jun 2016 OP
Another nasty and intolerant thread brought to us compliments of a Sanders supporter. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #1
Thank you for your support. floriduck Jun 2016 #2
Hillary is winning but they still feel the need to tell half truths to embelish think Jun 2016 #3
Wasn't Costello once Rush's Moll? Trajan Jun 2016 #5
The world of Bernie is sure shrinking. You hate Obama, Warren, and now Costello. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #4
Another misread. I don't hate Obama or Warren. What I have seen of Costello, I'm not fond of floriduck Jun 2016 #7
Here is thought Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #6
Please presume all you want. But it's nothing more than a presumption. I'm okay with that. floriduck Jun 2016 #9
Fair enough nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #13
Simone is wrong and it doesn't matter anyway. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #8
You might be right. But that's tomorrow at the earliest. floriduck Jun 2016 #10
nope. her presumptive status is completely dependent on supers. restorefreedom Jun 2016 #12
Sad for you. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #14
no worries, i am not sad at all. restorefreedom Jun 2016 #18
After tomrorrow her presumptive status will be based on the following onenote Jun 2016 #17
i can sit in the garage all day, doesn't make me a car. restorefreedom Jun 2016 #19
apparently the concept of a presumption is beyond your grasp. onenote Jun 2016 #20
have a nice day. nt restorefreedom Jun 2016 #22
Thanks. I expect I will. onenote Jun 2016 #23
sooooo glad i stopped watching that shill years ago restorefreedom Jun 2016 #11
Back in 2008 Sanders spoke a day after Obama clinched a majority of PLEDGED delegates.... George II Jun 2016 #15
If you take supers out of the numerator you have to also take them out of the denominator. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #16
Have a little over a week to get it out of your systema and then swallow your pride. LexVegas Jun 2016 #21
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
4. The world of Bernie is sure shrinking. You hate Obama, Warren, and now Costello.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

Oh, those supers? Most have already said who they will vote for. If that doesn't matter, then subtract that 43 or so off the total delegates that Bernie has.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
7. Another misread. I don't hate Obama or Warren. What I have seen of Costello, I'm not fond of
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

her. The word Hate comes off the Hillary fans tongues way too easy.

Demsrule86

(69,335 posts)
6. Here is thought
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

Reality bites! She will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday...and the nominee in July. All the Bernie math in the world can't save him.

Starry Messenger

(32,343 posts)
8. Simone is wrong and it doesn't matter anyway.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jun 2016

Even without supers Hillary blows him out of the water tomorrow.

onenote

(43,397 posts)
17. After tomrorrow her presumptive status will be based on the following
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

Having a majority of the pledged delegates.
Having a large and growing lead in super delegate commitments such that, when combined with pledged delegates, she easily tops 2383.
There being no sign of any (let alone several hundred) super delegates rescinding their support for Clinton.
Having won a majority of the popular vote
Having won more primaries/caucuses.


All of those things add up to a valid presumption that Clinton will be confirmed as the nominee at the convention in July.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
19. i can sit in the garage all day, doesn't make me a car.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

but hey, whatever makes you folks happy.

July is when the nom will be decided.

but self designating as presumptive just gives more time for trump and the gop to come out with everything they have. so whatevs.


onenote

(43,397 posts)
20. apparently the concept of a presumption is beyond your grasp.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

There are different kinds of presumptions. Irrebuttable (or conclusive) presumptions and rebuttable presumptions. After Tuesday, Clinton will be the presumptive nominee, albeit not irrebuttably. The strength of the presumption will grow as the number of pledged delegates and commitments from super delegates grows. It could weaken if there is any sign that Sanders actually is able to flip super delegates. The closer it gets to the convention without Sanders making significant headway in cutting into her margin, the closer the presumption becomes to be irrebuttable.

And in case you haven't noticed, Trump is going after her. Who else does he have to go after (other than judges he doesn't like).

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
11. sooooo glad i stopped watching that shill years ago
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

one time, she did her condescending head tilt and i almost threw something at the tv. i knew it was time to shut her off

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Back in 2008 Sanders spoke a day after Obama clinched a majority of PLEDGED delegates....
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

....and with the superdelegates that had committed to Obama clinched the number needed for the nomination.

He declared that the Democratic Party had chosen their nominee.

This was two days before Clinton conceded.

What has changed since 2008?

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
16. If you take supers out of the numerator you have to also take them out of the denominator.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

With no supers the delegate majority becomes 2026, not 2383. That means Hillary only needs 215 more pledged delegates for a majority. 30% of the vote the remaining contests would put her over that mark.

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