Yikes! Carol Costello in attack mode against Simone Sanders on CNN now.

[floriduck]

First she uses to super delegates to say Hillary needs about 23 delegates and Bernie has no chance. Simone accurately explained those super-Ds don't vote until July. So from a pledged delegate count, the race is still undetermined. Then Carol shows a fake concern for young voters being disengaged when Bernie loses.

Here's a thought; stay the fuck away from Costello and her Clinton talking points.

[Trust Buster]

1. Another nasty and intolerant thread brought to us compliments of a Sanders supporter.

[floriduck]

2. Thank you for your support.

[think]

3. Hillary is winning but they still feel the need to tell half truths to embelish

the record..

[Trajan]

5. Wasn't Costello once Rush's Moll?

Some sickening imagery right there ...

[tonyt53]

4. The world of Bernie is sure shrinking. You hate Obama, Warren, and now Costello.

Oh, those supers? Most have already said who they will vote for. If that doesn't matter, then subtract that 43 or so off the total delegates that Bernie has.

[floriduck]

7. Another misread. I don't hate Obama or Warren. What I have seen of Costello, I'm not fond of

her. The word Hate comes off the Hillary fans tongues way too easy.

[Demsrule86]

6. Here is thought

Reality bites! She will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday...and the nominee in July. All the Bernie math in the world can't save him.

[floriduck]

9. Please presume all you want. But it's nothing more than a presumption. I'm okay with that.

[Demsrule86]

13. Fair enough nt

[Starry Messenger]

8. Simone is wrong and it doesn't matter anyway.

Even without supers Hillary blows him out of the water tomorrow.

[floriduck]

10. You might be right. But that's tomorrow at the earliest.

[restorefreedom]

12. nope. her presumptive status is completely dependent on supers.

so, not tomorrow, sorry.

[Starry Messenger]

14. Sad for you.

[restorefreedom]

18. no worries, i am not sad at all.

looking forward to an exciting convention and a nominee sanders!

[onenote]

17. After tomrorrow her presumptive status will be based on the following

Having a majority of the pledged delegates.
Having a large and growing lead in super delegate commitments such that, when combined with pledged delegates, she easily tops 2383.
There being no sign of any (let alone several hundred) super delegates rescinding their support for Clinton.
Having won a majority of the popular vote
Having won more primaries/caucuses.


All of those things add up to a valid presumption that Clinton will be confirmed as the nominee at the convention in July.

[restorefreedom]

19. i can sit in the garage all day, doesn't make me a car.

but hey, whatever makes you folks happy.

July is when the nom will be decided.

but self designating as presumptive just gives more time for trump and the gop to come out with everything they have. so whatevs.

[onenote]

20. apparently the concept of a presumption is beyond your grasp.

There are different kinds of presumptions. Irrebuttable (or conclusive) presumptions and rebuttable presumptions. After Tuesday, Clinton will be the presumptive nominee, albeit not irrebuttably. The strength of the presumption will grow as the number of pledged delegates and commitments from super delegates grows. It could weaken if there is any sign that Sanders actually is able to flip super delegates. The closer it gets to the convention without Sanders making significant headway in cutting into her margin, the closer the presumption becomes to be irrebuttable.

And in case you haven't noticed, Trump is going after her. Who else does he have to go after (other than judges he doesn't like).

[restorefreedom]

22. have a nice day. nt

[onenote]

23. Thanks. I expect I will.

[restorefreedom]

11. sooooo glad i stopped watching that shill years ago

one time, she did her condescending head tilt and i almost threw something at the tv. i knew it was time to shut her off

[George II]

15. Back in 2008 Sanders spoke a day after Obama clinched a majority of PLEDGED delegates....

....and with the superdelegates that had committed to Obama clinched the number needed for the nomination.

He declared that the Democratic Party had chosen their nominee.

This was two days before Clinton conceded.

What has changed since 2008?

[Lord Magus]

16. If you take supers out of the numerator you have to also take them out of the denominator.

With no supers the delegate majority becomes 2026, not 2383. That means Hillary only needs 215 more pledged delegates for a majority. 30% of the vote the remaining contests would put her over that mark.

[LexVegas]

21. Have a little over a week to get it out of your systema and then swallow your pride.