2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYikes! Carol Costello in attack mode against Simone Sanders on CNN now.
First she uses to super delegates to say Hillary needs about 23 delegates and Bernie has no chance. Simone accurately explained those super-Ds don't vote until July. So from a pledged delegate count, the race is still undetermined. Then Carol shows a fake concern for young voters being disengaged when Bernie loses.
Here's a thought; stay the fuck away from Costello and her Clinton talking points.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)think
(11,641 posts)the record..
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Some sickening imagery right there ...
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Oh, those supers? Most have already said who they will vote for. If that doesn't matter, then subtract that 43 or so off the total delegates that Bernie has.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)her. The word Hate comes off the Hillary fans tongues way too easy.
Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)Reality bites! She will be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday...and the nominee in July. All the Bernie math in the world can't save him.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Demsrule86
(70,800 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)Even without supers Hillary blows him out of the water tomorrow.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)so, not tomorrow, sorry.
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)looking forward to an exciting convention and a nominee sanders!
onenote
(44,160 posts)Having a majority of the pledged delegates.
Having a large and growing lead in super delegate commitments such that, when combined with pledged delegates, she easily tops 2383.
There being no sign of any (let alone several hundred) super delegates rescinding their support for Clinton.
Having won a majority of the popular vote
Having won more primaries/caucuses.
All of those things add up to a valid presumption that Clinton will be confirmed as the nominee at the convention in July.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but hey, whatever makes you folks happy.
July is when the nom will be decided.
but self designating as presumptive just gives more time for trump and the gop to come out with everything they have. so whatevs.
onenote
(44,160 posts)There are different kinds of presumptions. Irrebuttable (or conclusive) presumptions and rebuttable presumptions. After Tuesday, Clinton will be the presumptive nominee, albeit not irrebuttably. The strength of the presumption will grow as the number of pledged delegates and commitments from super delegates grows. It could weaken if there is any sign that Sanders actually is able to flip super delegates. The closer it gets to the convention without Sanders making significant headway in cutting into her margin, the closer the presumption becomes to be irrebuttable.
And in case you haven't noticed, Trump is going after her. Who else does he have to go after (other than judges he doesn't like).
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)onenote
(44,160 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)one time, she did her condescending head tilt and i almost threw something at the tv. i knew it was time to shut her off
George II
(67,782 posts)....and with the superdelegates that had committed to Obama clinched the number needed for the nomination.
He declared that the Democratic Party had chosen their nominee.
This was two days before Clinton conceded.
What has changed since 2008?
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)With no supers the delegate majority becomes 2026, not 2383. That means Hillary only needs 215 more pledged delegates for a majority. 30% of the vote the remaining contests would put her over that mark.