"The White Entitlement of Some Sanders Supporters" - Daily Beast

[PepperHarlan]

If you’re young, white and privileged, you don’t expect to lose. When you do, it must be because you got cheated. Blacks know better.

“Killary Clinton is stealing the nomination and the system is rigged against Bernie Sanders,” said the two young white guys standing behind me in line. They rambled incessantly about how she was cheating and could not be trusted. Superdelegates were their greatest frustration. Unelected delegates who could “decide” the nomination proved that the process was a sham that was intentionally set up to prevent Sanders from winning.

At first I tried to ignore the conversation and thought they were Trump supporters (“Killary” is usually a right-wing thing). But once it became clear that these guys were Sanders supporters, I had to jump in. For years, these guys had been “my people.” I have been a fan of Sanders long before his presidential run and have made many friends due to our mutual admiration of his policies. Surely, I’d be able to have a civil, rational conversation with these guys, right?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/05/the-white-entitlement-of-some-sanders-supporters.html

[tonyt53]

1. When they were singing "We Shall Overcome" at the rally, it made my stomach turn.

Those people have no idea.

[Armstead]

57. Probably ....Pete Seeger was a white privileged male, therefore no good

[Snotcicles]

2. About the post count I have come to expect. Full ignore. nt

[LanternWaste]

4. I'm the same way with the under-10k newbies as well.

I'm the same way with the under-10k newbies as well.

[Zorra]

18. More Toxic Brockolli from the RW rag deadlybeast.com

If you buy it, and swallow it, it will first make you stupid, and later rot your heart and turn you evil.

[PepperHarlan]

31. Do you think the author is evil?

[Aerows]

38. Well Forrest Gump famously said

stupid is as stupid does, so I'm pretty much assuming that evil works the same way.

[PepperHarlan]

39. I think it's dump to dismiss the views of POCs because he/she is not rooting for your team.

[Aerows]

40. I suppose that you would know "dump"

better than I would - I'll give you that one.

[Zorra]

43. I don't know. Most people generally don't deliberately smear others

with accusations based in paranoid fantasy.

[PepperHarlan]

44. Why do you say it's paranoid fantasy?

This author, who also happens to be a POC, is far from the only person to bring up the white bernie bro privilege dynamic during the campaign. Is every POC who has witnessed the Bernie Bro phenomenon paranoid?

[Major Nikon]

53. Results...

On Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why do you say it's paranoid fantasy?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2139911

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster is insulting Bernie supporters by calling them BernieBros.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:27 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post is another scurrilous lie against Bernie and his supporters, but have at it..you look like a fool
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This smear campaign has gone on long enough.

[MisterP]

3. Berta Caceres wasn't white

[tonyt53]

8. One, keep on counting.

[artislife]

12. Libyan children, Iraqi children....

[Aerows]

37. We came, we saw, he died

along with an alarming number of other living, breathing human beings with wives, husbands, children, sisters, brothers, and I'd put an etc. in, but I don't see lives as an addendum.

[artislife]

47. Maybe they don't count the dead? They don't seem bothered by them. nt

[rjsquirrel]

5. Spot on

Exactly how I see it. White privilege leading to an inability to accept failure and an assumption that the system must be "rigged" if you don't get your way, even if millions more voters went with the other candidate.

[PepperHarlan]

7. I thought it was an interesting perspective

I'm not one for broad brushes but there's no denying the white privilege dynamic as it relates to bernie's fans.

[rjsquirrel]

25. Especially the younger ones

I've been a college professor for 30 years almost. When I started a B was a good grade and students never argued about their grades. Now if I give a damn A minus, I'll get a pleading request to raise it to a straight up A; FSM forbid I give a B or a C. I admire the idealism of the students I teach these days, but they seem remarkably entitled and sure of themselves (as I am sure my generation did to our elders, but all is relative).

They literally seem incapable of accepting failure, which is admirable except when you objectively fail at something. Like a presidential primary campaign. Or a (lol) "revolution" fought on the terrain of a major party's presidential primary process.

If you want a revolution, start your own radical party and take to the streets. No one is stopping you. But if you want the apparatus of the existing social institutions like political parties and congress and the supreme court and mainstream media to bend to your will, you have to win an election first. Why Sanders and his supporters seem to think that the rest of the democratic party -- establishment AND base voters -- have to roll over for the white guy because (oligarchy, corruption, millennial superiority, or whatever) is unfathomable.

It has something to do with white privilege for sure, although it goes beyond that to a generational culture of instant gratification and a valorization of feelings over reason and facts.

When you base a campaign on outrage, it also behooves you to be sure that your outrage is as widely shared as your fellow travelers and you think it is when you sit around a seminar table or hang out with mostly like-minded folks (encouraged by both campus culture and the internet -- DU is a good example, even the Clinton supporters here represent the far liberal end of the Democratic party base and you'd think no Americans were actually conservative or republican or not particularly obsessed with income inequality or ending fracking or whatever you think is so important that we need a "revolution" to fix it).

It's this sense of white privilege and entitlement (minus the generational differences) that makes Sanders and Trump supporters similar -- a mightily outraged response to the discovery that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily see things the same way as they do or see their problems as the most important ones.

There's also a huge element of nostalgia that unites both Trump and Sanders campaigns --- a weirdly ahistorical view that there is some "golden age" we can return to with a wave of the hands by changing policies, whether that is the white suburban patriarchal fantasy of the Trump voters or the naive and simplistic invocation of "New Deal" or 1960s radical politics by Sanders supporters.

[PepperHarlan]

28. Very interesting.

Thanks for your reply. I think a lot of it has to do with millennial entitlement AKA the participation trophy generation. In my day you actually wanted to win something to get the trophy. You didn't get anything if you didn't win. Now, you get a trophy if you just show up. We have now had a generation of children raised under that philosophy and they seem to struggle out in the real world when their expectations don't line up with reality, as you mentioned with the letter grades.

I'm not big into the generations are monolithic. I was Gen X and was not apathetic. But clearly each has its own traits, as we are seeing. Thank you again for your reply. It was very interesting.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. they should get off your lawn, too. Still, for all your annoyance with their philosophical outlook

It sure seems someone did SOMETHING right in raising them.

[Turin_C3PO]

48. Actually the Trophy

Self esteem thing was my generation (Gen X) and very early millennial. The young millennials were raised in the terrible No Child Left Behind. Young people today are so much more aware and empathetic than my generation.

[Fast Walker 52]

42. that's funny

Only 22 percent of white Sanders supporters indicated that “being white” was “extremely” or “very important” to them (compared to 43 percent of white Clinton supporters).

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/bernie-sanders-achen-bartels-white-men-krugman-election-clinton/

[Turin_C3PO]

50. some of what you say is true

However there was a recent survey that suggested that white Clinton supporters are more racially biased them white Sanders supporters. Personally I think both groups have some work to do in minority outreach.

[GulfCoast66]

55. Interesting stuff. One other thing

Most of them have never had their candidate lose. Very few could vote in 04. So most have only victory and that creates a sense of invincibility.

So them backing the loser plus you info, they are shattered and bewildered. And feel betrayed. I have s couple of interns that are!

That said, I think in total they are better than my generation. We were largely materialistic twits. They will grow tremendously from this. I think Clinton will be the last President who does not proudly supper Democratic Socialism as good thing. But I do not think the electorate is ready for that quite yet.

[politicaljunkie41910]

32. Welcome aboard. Ignore their angry comments. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Even though the article was posted here yesterday, that article was great and perhaps it needed to be repeated again based on the negative reactions printed here today and yesterday. It was a great article and sadly was lost on many here who rejected it outright without any sense of introspection. Don't let the angry folks here prevent you from posting at your will, not theirs. And the fact that they have thousands of posts and make judgments about you with your few, says more about them than you. I've been coming here since almost the beginning, but I have a life outside this board and will never amass anything in the tens of thousands of posts. How many times you have posted should not be a validation or invalidation of your personal opinion. People also like to throw around the name Brock as if many of us can't formulate our own opinions and are the mouthpieces of others. Don't let them sway you. Continue to speak your mind.

BTW, here is my link to my response to this post yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2134117


Again welcome aboard.

[PepperHarlan]

33. thank you very much, politicaljunkie41910

Much appreciated.

[politicaljunkie41910]

35. BTW, I updated my post to included a link to my post yesterday.

Check it out if you get a chance and the response to it which is from a white guy who does get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2134117

[BillZBubb]

6. How many times are you Brock-o-lites going to run this bullshit story?

11 whole posts and you've got the nerve to post this crap?

[PepperHarlan]

13. Sorry

But how many posts does one need to be able to post a "bullshit story"?

[NCTraveler]

34. Truly laughed. +1. Nt

[litlbilly]

19. Until they run out of idiots to pay to post this kind of bullshit.

[PepperHarlan]

26. You're responding to yourself?

[msanthrope]

61. It's tough when you have lots of tabs open. nt

[longship]

11. Stop it! Just fucking stop it! nt

[uponit7771]

14. Why should truth be stopped? tia

[longship]

16. First document the white entitlement of Bernie supporters and then we can have a conversation. nt

[litlbilly]

20. do you get your talking points directly from Brock? sure looks like it. oh, and btw, dont

bother to reply as you are already on the ignore pile.

[Jester Messiah]

17. Another steaming groaner falls into the cesspit. n/t

[litlbilly]

23. Hillary's magazine, the daily beast, you know that right? again, dont answer me, i wont see it.

[PepperHarlan]

24. It's actually owned by IAC

And is not a magazine.

[phleshdef]

27. There are few better examples of white privilege than the Clintons.

[Maedhros]

29. Before I put you on ignore, let me laugh at you.

There. Now you can go away.

/bye.

[Trajan]

30. I would just like to say

[FONT SIZE=4] FUCK YOU David Brock ....

[FONT SIZE=1]Blocked ...

[GeorgeGist]

36. Hope the author didn't get his socks wet ...

with that in-depth research.

[Fast Walker 52]

41. that's a serious misconception, as explained here

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/06/bernie-sanders-achen-bartels-white-men-krugman-election-clinton/

"Nor do the ANES data furnish much evidence that Sanders voters have been motivated by white racial resentment. Among Democrats and non-Republican-leaning independents, in fact, white Clinton supporters were more inclined than white Sanders supporters to say that blacks are “lazy” or “violent,” and that black people should work their way up “without special favors.”"

""Only 22 percent of white Sanders supporters indicated that “being white” was “extremely” or “very important” to them (compared to 43 percent of white Clinton supporters)."

[CobaltBlue]

46. PepperHarlan—Welcome to ‘Democratic Underground’ (06.02.2016). Nice Hillary Clinton avatar, too.

[TransitJohn]

49. have they circled back to this?

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Wasn't this the first line of attack last summer?

[pengu]

52. yes, lol

Great observation.

[HereSince1628]

51. Wait whut? What was Skinner saying in that post about racism?

[Lizzie Poppet]

54. Bye, Felicia.

Say hi to Dave.

[Armstead]

59. Okay you have to explain that to me....

I've seen that on zeveral posts. Is "Bye felicia" a new buzzword?

[Lizzie Poppet]

62. It's a line from "Straight Outta Compton."

Kind of a multi-purpose kiss-off at this point...

[PepperHarlan]

64. Uh, that's actually from the movie FRIDAY

And it' really hilarious, though not AT ALL unexpected, you would just kind of lump everything together like that. NO SURPRISE.

[apcalc]

56. Apcalc

Very interesting article...White and entitled...

I do not know if this is true or representative of the truth...but maybe for some people?

[Armstead]

58. Reads to me like a racial version of "Get off My Lawn"

The biggest problem the author seems to have is that young "Berniebros" are impatient and feel entitled to win.

Those damn kids.

Shit as a Baby Boomer I think I have earned the right to say -- That's the nature of being young...... One is impatient.

"Hope I die before I get old."

"Don't Trust anyone over 30."

That's more of a chronological than a racial characteristic.

[Waiting For Everyman]

60. Say the supporters of the most entitled person ever.

Oh, the irony.

[QC]

63. The other day I saw a brockbro on Facebook throwing the "privilege"

line at anyone who dared disagree with him.

He was a new Harvard Law graduate with a very snazzy apartment in a trendy neighborhood in New York.

Uh huh. It's the displaced factory workers here who are the privileged ones here. Right.

Is anyone more clueless about unearned advantages than the beneficiaries of class privilege?