Better luck next time Calfornia

[Skink]

No primary for you!

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. No, people need to vote. We have state and federal primaries.

[AzDar]

2. What The Actual FUCK Is Going On In This Country??

[msongs]

8. people are voting, just not enough for your guy. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Oligarchy.

Bears an astonishing resemblance to a shit sandwich, doesn't it?

[laserhaas]

36. Worse

[Demsrule86]

54. The end of a primary

Bernie should have conceded long ago. All this ranting about taking it to the convention...forced the supers to send him a message. Now, we need to get on with beating Trump...so I hope you will lend a hand in that important endeavor. If not, then get out of the way.

[MineralMan]

3. People won't vote?

Really? The election will be held. I doubt that many will stay home over this. I wouldn't.

[NV Whino]

18. Well, you're special.

[MineralMan]

21. No. I'm a voter. There are many races in the CA

Ballot tomorrow. I never miss an election. I vote every time and always have. There is more to elections than the presidential race.

[NV Whino]

25. You might want to explain that to your "friends."

[MineralMan]

27. My friends know that already.

They're voters, too. Aren't you? Are you skipping tomorrow's election?

[NV Whino]

33. Voted already.

[MineralMan]

35. Well, then.

Good. Your vote will be counted.

[writes3000]

28. I'm in CA and I'm still planning to vote tomorrow!

[MineralMan]

34. Of course.

Voters vote. Thanks for being a voter!

[Nye Bevan]

4. Even when a baseball team has clinched their division and clinched home field,

they still have to play the remaining games of the season, meaningless though those games may be.

[jberryhill]

7. Against whom?

There is no actual point in voting in California.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. We have a senate race.

[jberryhill]

38. So what?

Those happen at midterms too. As I mentioned, nobody turns out for midterms.

[Nye Bevan]

17. One rationale for voting might be to increase the popular vote total for your candidate (nt)

[MineralMan]

24. Other races, like a Senate race, are on that ballot.

You know that, and so do CA voters.

[jberryhill]

39. Read my post re: midterms

Nobody turns out for down-ticket races. That's why midterm turnout sucks.

Most people cannot name their two US senators.

[KittyWampus]

53. And yet, those votes still occur. If voters can't be bothered doing their civic duty...

it's on them when our government doesn't reflect those voters values.

[anigbrowl]

58. Funny, we found it worth going to the polling booth this morning. nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

5. There's still a primary tomorrow.

They don't stop the voting process because there's a presumptive nominee.

[jberryhill]

10. As if anyone cared

For the same reason that practically nobody comes out for midterms, there is no reason to vote in California.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

42. There's more on the California ballot than just the Presidential primary. nt

[jberryhill]

43. Yes, and there are lots of races in the midterms for which no one shows up either

It is magical thinking to believe people turn out for down-ticket races. They don't, as illustrated by decades of midterms.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

44. Well, then I guess it's time people try to educate the populace.

The President has very little power in comparison with Congress. Congress is where it really counts. I vote in all primaries and midterms, and encourage all of my friends to as well.

[jberryhill]

48. it's really not a matter of education

No amount of education for decades has managed to do anything to reduced turnout in the absence of a presidential contest. None.

Whether you vote in primaries and midterms has nothing to do with the vast majority of voters.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. That's what you think.

We have many races to vote on.........not just the presidential.

So you can stop gloating NOW.

[Fumesucker]

16. I don't think that was gloating

More sardonic I think..

[KingFlorez]

9. I didn't realize it was canceled

Perhaps that is because it wasn't. Stop being so pressed.

[SDJay]

12. The Utter Stupidity of Your Post

can only mean that you are completely ignorant of all of the candidates and issues on the ballot tomorrow.

I can understand talking shit to supporters of the candidate that loses - at least sort of - even though I keep telling folks that do that to grow up, as this isn't a football game where you root for a team. It's sophomoric and reveals character, but at least I can understand the visceral reactions of fanboys and fangirls for both HRC and SBS. It's been a long and tough fight and now it's over. Emotions tend to get the best of some people who lack self control and maturity.

But talking shit to an entire state? Really?

In other words, you made a complete ass of yourself in very few words.

Well done.

[Fumesucker]

20. His favorite group is Bernie Sanders

I think you're misreading anger as gloating..

[SDJay]

26. Thanks.

That makes a lot more sense and my apologies to the OP, which I will post separately.

Although it's still astounding to see others stupidly saying the vote here is meaningless. Do some fucking reading, for the love of Pete. Senate races, statewide propositions and a whole shitload of local measures are on ballots. Like our county board, for one, which is surprisingly heated around here this time.

This is an important vote here.

[zappaman]

13. Plenty to vote on tomorrow.

I always stop by first thing in the morning!

[panader0]

14. I'm sure AP believes that their announcement will supress the vote.

This primary sucks in every way.

[PowerToThePeople]

22. This.

Try to minimize the amount of votes Sanders gets.

[itsrobert]

19. I votes 3 weeks ago by mail

Hillary will win California too.

thanks

Have fun.

[Mz Pip]

23. We still have a primary

Lots of down ticket items on the ballot, like who will replace Barbara Boxer, and other California representatives races.

[still_one]

31. Thank-you

[still_one]

29. There is more than one issue on the ballot

[SDJay]

30. I Misread the OP

My apologies for my response. I left it up, though, because of the other moronic 'no reason to vote' posts that showed up.

[Skink]

40. Voter suppression is reaching a new level this year

Bernie staying in because of that speaks volumes.

BTW the first presidential vote I ever cast was for Clinton in 96 in San Diego. I voted early in Texas this year for Bernie.

[SDJay]

41. Mine Was in 92

for Clinton in Wisconsin. I've been in San Diego since 1999.

Anyway, you're right. It's as if what used to happen behind the curtain is not really hidden anymore. It's a show more than anything and that makes me sad. The MSM wants their summer ratings. They were going to get them no matter what.

[RandySF]

32. We still have plenty on the ballot

[KULawHawk]

37. What possible point does it serve

to announce before the primaries tomorrow? It's the press making news.

[onenote]

46. Its the press reporting news.

And how does it change Sanders strategy and the significance of California to that strategy? You, me, Sanders and everyone paying a moment's attention knew that if the press hadn't pronounced Clinton to be the presumptive nominee let night they would have done so as soon as NJ finished voting. Sanders strategy was to push for a big wins that cut into Clinton's pledged delegate margin and that would give him arguments to make to the SDs he said he was going to try to flip. How is the strategy any different this morning than yesterday morning? And why is that its Sanders supporters that are now treating California as meaningless when it means exactly the same today as it did yesterday?

[jwirr]

62. IF people believe the lie they may stay home from the polls

and that would help Hillary win.

This is really unAmerican - especially of the press.

[onenote]

45. What makes California less important to Sanders now than before?

His strategy has been to try to cut as deeply into Clinton's pledged delegate margin and win CA so he can use those talking points, along with GE polls, to argue to SDs that they should switch to him. He has essentially conceded, as has everyone paying attention, that Clinton would have a combination of pledged delegates and SD commitments in excess of 2383 as soon as New Jersey is declared around 8:30 tonight. He wasn't happy about the fact that the media at that point would pronounce Clinton the presumptive nominee but he knew it was going to happen.

So the motivation for Sanders voters to show up at the polls today is the same as it was before last night's announcement.

It seems strange that its the Sanders supporters that are arguing California now is meaningless when it means exactly the same thing now as it did before last night -- a key element of Sanders SD switching strategy.

[JoePhilly]

47. Oh the drama.

[MineralMan]

49. Polling places will be open there shortly.

Voters will visit them all day long. There are other things on the California ballot. Not everyone just cares about the presidential primary.

If you live in California: GO VOTE!

[seabeyond]

50. Who decided when California goes into the primary? Address them. Clinton was too good a candidate to

need them. Why blame her. That is success and a pat on her back for being so accomplished. Regardless of the AP or not, we all knew before California would close, so again, who are you blaming?

[MattP]

51. You should delete this thread saying only Bernie matters is just wrong

[Demsrule86]

52. The primary is today

There is way more at stake than Bernie Sanders. California has unique rules for down ballot races...everyone is thrown together by the office they are running for and you vote for two of them to go into the general there are 32 people on the Senate primary ballot...it could be two Democrats , a traitorous green or two of them...two GOP types...and those selected go into the primary. It does not matter what party they come from. So it is still important to vote in California...and the state was never important for the Democratic presidential primary...Hillary would have been the Nominee before the California polls closed after Jersey.

[Aerows]

60. That sounds confusing!

Is it like the GE where you vote for anybody you choose to vote for, or something different?

[Demsrule86]

63. It is confusing, there are 32 people on the Senate ballot...

a mixture of Dems,Repubs, and indies...and if two GOP are selected then, they run in the general against each other-no Dem! ...so the primary is very important.

[procon]

55. There are 34 candidates for one Senate seat, most are Republican. Go vote for a Democrat! nt

[Adrahil]

56. Our primary system kinda stinks. But...

You do realize that whoever goes last kinda doesn't matter so much, right? That's the way it has been my whole voting life. Heck, a lot of times, if your primary is in MAY, your vote doesn't really matter. If the AP hadn't made its call, Clinton would STILL have won a majority of pledged delegates today, and the votes of DC voters wouldn't really matter. That's just an artifact of our crummy primary system.

[tritsofme]

57. It would be smart for local Dem leaders to schedule an earlier primary

if they want a better shot at being relevant. This was a choice made the local Dem party, no one stood in the way of California holding their primary in March or April

[Algernon Moncrieff]

59. The problem for CA isn't Bernie or Hillary, or this race. It's an archaic primary system

It's a system that allows Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to exert an inordinate amount of influence, and often renders the votes of states voting after Super Tuesday meaningless.

We need to reform the system and hold all of the state primaries on the same day (using multiple choice voting) or the same days (using a multi tier system). No more delegates. No more super delegates. We just vote, and whoever gets 50% + 1 or more votes wins.

I would advocate that the party sends ballots to members 2 weeks prior to an election date; members vote at home and mail back the ballots; and the ballots are counted under the supervision of an independent accounting firm.

[eastwestdem]

61. Late voting states are used to it. As long as our candidate wins, it's okay. nt

[PufPuf23]

64. The timing of the call for Clinton effects turnout for the other candidates and issues on the ballot

I am not sure in my mind of the impacts for Clinton vs Sanders but decrease voter turnout is likely and those that voted early and by mail will have a larger say in the other polls on the ballot.