2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders CAMPAIGN Statement
PRESS RELEASE
Sanders Campaign Statement
JUNE 6, 2016
SAN FRANCISCO U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders spokesman, Michael Briggs, on Monday issued the following statement:
It is unfortunate that the media, in a rush to judgement, are ignoring the Democratic National Committees clear statement that it is wrong to count the votes of superdelegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer.
Secretary Clinton does not have and will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates to secure the nomination. She will be dependent on superdelegates who do not vote until July 25 and who can change their minds between now and then. They include more than 400 superdelegates who endorsed Secretary Clinton 10 months before the first caucuses and primaries and long before any other candidate was in the race.
Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement/
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)nilram
(3,519 posts)are the ones that are the most pro-Bernie.
ALL the polls show Bernie IS the stronger candidate against Trump, by more than double digits, while Hillary is basically tied.
Kinda stupid to nominate the weaker candidate in such an important election.
Don't ya think?
Segami
(14,923 posts)The Clinton machine can't win without dirty tactics
dchill
(42,660 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)In order for him to have partial access to his own data and he abide not attending any unDNC approved debates. He is playing their game and if all were equal he would be ahead 3,000,000 votes. I've read on DU the DNC is a corporation and makes its own rules. Too bad they cheat steal and engage in Nixon's 'rat fucking'.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)one they start and perpetuate.
but War.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I don't remember it being like this in '08 when I backed Obama
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Did not treat HRC or her supporters the way that HRC, her family, her campaign, her surrogates, and her supporters have treated Bernie and his supporters.
I can not believe they have collectively decided to treat Bernie and his supporters in the manner that they have. Many Bernie supporters are not going to be able to vote for HRC because she has made it ridiculously personal throughout the entire campaign(in addition to all of the fraud that has happened throughout that they pretend is not happening).
It becomes unsupportable at some point. I think that point has arrived for many.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hillary gets hurt more by this announcement than Bernie. Cheap shot by the media.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)He should probably make up his mind.
Peacetrain
(24,286 posts)uponit7771
(93,505 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Yet Obama had not reached the requisite number of delegates with pledged delegates alone. He needed supers to put him over the top. Bernie didn't wait until the supers actually voted at the convention, he took their announced support for Obama at face value.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)It all seems quite hypocritical at this point.
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and Bernie's endorsement (along with the others) played into it.
I realize you are angry...but you always seem angry and biting. It's getting old.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)They are entirely two different things. That one leads to another, which is what you are saying, clearly shows that to be true. They are not the same thing.
As to your other comment, you are one of those who thinks anyone who criticizes is angry and a "hater". Maybe you are still mad because I keep pointing out where you are wrong. Have you accepted the fact that in Vermont one does not register in a party? You never did acknowledge that was true after I posted the info with a link to the official Vermont State site stating such in response to your many attempts to make it not so.
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Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And that he was endorsing Obama because the Democratic Party had chosen its nominee.
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
Martin Eden
(15,464 posts)... probably because they have to twist logic to support her in the first place.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Clinton campaign in cahoots with the corporate whores to jump the gun and pull this bullshit on the eve of the California primary. Bernie is going to blow her out of the water here in California and march on to the convention. The corrupt assholes in the press can't crown anyone. Fuck em.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, it will not go down well for the future.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)they only care about THEIR future. So what if they leave nothing but scorched earth behind them? They'll be long gone & besides, only peasants do the clean-up.
mythology
(9,527 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)There hasn't been a poll released in a couple of days here. Highly unusual and suspicious. Hillary must be tanking badly. Bernie supporters will come out in droves tomorrow with a big message to the corporate crooks- not so fast. I hope he embarrasses the hell out of her in this state.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)thousands and thousands of people coming out to his rallies and the fact that there are so many new registrations in CA they've probably found a way to fuzz it up and Clinton will come out the winner. I doubt they even care if they find voting irregularities anymore, they've fine tuned a way to blame it on Bernie and his supporters no matter what. It's SOP now.
But, I do wonder what this is going to do because there are far too many Bernie supporters who are absolutely disgusted and fed up with the Clintons and The Democratic Party for the way he's been treated. She's NOT a good campaigner and her negatives are so high that bringing people together will be very, very difficult. I'm already hearing it and this thing from yesterday just seems sooooooooo NOT RIGHT!
BAD MOVE!
Truth be damned. Process who cares? Clinton is going to get a sea of backlash over this. This time it really isn't even her fault. But damn I'm seeing red.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)to the lengths Clinton Theater will go to.......the campaign can deny all they want, but this call came from the top.
Tragl1
(104 posts)Watch all the Clinton supporters stay home now...gah I'm so pissed right now.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)It is so fucking obvious.
JUST as obvious as the lies told before invading Iraq !!!
All in it together
(275 posts)And vote for Bernie. It's not over till the Convention.
The media screws up this election once again after playing Trump speeches non stop they insist it's over and Clinton has the Dem nomination. Hope we get her email questions resolved before the convention. Not an indictment after.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Every time there is an important day of primaries, *every single time*, the night before some huge news story breaks that damages Bernie's chance at winning. Every. Damn. Time. It's not a coincidence, and I'm tired of being played the fool. Hillary will not get my vote in November. She hasn't done anything to deserve it. Have fun losing to Trump.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)The primary in Puerto Rico was scheduled long ago. Anyone who looked at the numbers knew she was already within a stone's throw of the nomination and might clinch it before Tuesday. It baffles me that Sanders fans keep invoking a conspiracy rather than accept that she has simply outperformed their preferred candidate.
What do you do at sports games - shush the fans of the opposing team until the score is finalized? Do you call in to complain if TV commentators express confidence that the team which appears to be winning is actually going to win? I guess Cavaliers fans were pretty annoyed to hear the Warrior's 30 point lead characterized as a victory before the final buzzed went off last night. Are you from Cleveland perchance?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Where did I mention PR? And no, I'm not from Cleveland?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)You can keep blaming 'the Clinton machine' or get with the fact that she has just been doing better where it counts, with voters. I'm really tired of voters' preferences being dismissed as meaningless if they weren't for Sanders.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Beacool
(30,511 posts)"Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump."
The party would NEVER deny the nomination to the candidate who has the most pledged delegates, particularly as this will be a historical nomination.
TimPlo
(443 posts)I remember when people where bitching about Howard Dean supporting Clinton after Sanders won VT by 80+%? and I remember many Hillary Fans saying that is way the SD are they can vote anyway they want. I am sure you where not one of them.
Beacool
(30,511 posts)It would be undemocratic to go against the will of the people. This year won't be any different.
TimPlo
(443 posts)Said the SD vote like they want and even Howard Deans said he voted for how he feels America is best served and not how voters voted where just lying?
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)The response to Bernie winning huge in Vermont is that Vermont does not decide the nomination. There are 49 other states and 6 territories. And supers are not bound to the voting results of their home state. That doesn't mean they'll ignore the voting results of the nation.
But hey, if think superdelegates should be bound to the candidate who carries their state, fair enough. It wouldn't change the outcome.
Jon Ace
(255 posts)regardless of how near impossible it will be to change the minds of the superdelegates.
Beacool
(30,511 posts)I find it outrageous that they think that the same super delegates that they have been bashing, should ignore the will of the people and nominate the losing candidate. So much for democracy, fair play and being a progressive.
tandem5
(2,078 posts)Sanders should concede after tomorrow.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)If only there were some way to ask them who they supported and find out if they had changed their minds in the past 10 months. But I guess we'll never know until July when they all vote for exactly who they said they were going to vote for!
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They ask all 700+ of the repeatedly. They do not just ask once.
I guarantee you the press has been working their asses off calling them the last 3 days. When enough support her plus the pledged delegates to put her over the line they call it. That is the way it works.
I assure you HRC is the most pissed off about this. It has no upside for her.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)give it up already.
A man needs to know when he is beaten. Sanders lost fair and square. His stock has only decreased in value over the past weeks and months. He should have called it after New York. He's just been embarrassing himself since then.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Go back to bed.
Corporate666
(587 posts)Seriously, what does he gain by staying in? We all know politicians bullshit incessantly, so all this crap about "wanting to make sure everyone has a say" is just justification/rhetoric.
He really has zero chance of winning. What is his purpose to stay in other than for self-aggrandizement and not wanting to admit defeat (ego)?
He hasn't been doing his job - the one he's actually getting paid for - for many months now. How long should he shit on the people of Vermont for his own ends?
Tarc
(10,597 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)that is the funniest damn thing I've seen all year.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)We will see it play out a lot here in the next few days. Just let it happen.
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Out of touch with the reality of tonight's events.
A real democrat would get behind the nominee now and take the fight to Trump.
Bernie still wants to fight the democratic nominee.
Hmm......
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,735 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)We're Still Here
REVOLUCION'
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,528 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He knows perfectly well that declaring a candidate with only a 286 delegate lead the "winner" the night before a six state primary in which the state he is expected to do best in, California, has 475 delegates, is a deliberate act of sabotage designed to suppress voter turnout.
Boy, the Hill Camp must have been awfully nervous about losing their delegate lead in these six contests. But calling the election the night before the primaries is dirty.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)If California were winner-take-all you'd have a point, but we're not Republicans. We don't have any winner-take-all primaries.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)with Bernie Sanders all the way
840high
(17,196 posts)RogueTrooper
(4,665 posts)The Sanders' Campaign are going to look a little foolish when they have to walk this one back.

coyote
(1,561 posts)merkins
(399 posts)
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)This is a velvet coup on the part of the DNC, etc.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Gullibility and funny business probably CAN'T be proven, but I know if I walk into my house and I smell a pile of dog poop I may not know where it's at, BUT I KNOW what I'm smelling!
We'll never know anything FOR SURE, but I'm smelling that pile of dog poop! I could have used the other word for more affect but decided not to.
We can only "hope" that all the new people he's brought into the Democratic Party, all the millennials and the excitement so many of us Boomers have been feeling won't fade away. My son and daughter have kids, two of them signed on with Bernie and they're really, really P.O'ed and they also feel that something fishy has been going on for a long time. I want them to stay involved and keep working for change, but right now they really feel cheated. Time will tell.
After this election I'll be switching to Independent for the first time in my life depending on who may win down ticket. Voting for Alan Grayson in August and have my fingers crossed that Tim Canova kicks DWS ASS!
How did we get so far from what The Democratic Party always stood for?? I've seen the slow changes as I'm sure so many here have, but the factual information on Hillary has yet to be revealed. Her hawkish stance on Afghanistan was even more hawkish than many in the Bush Administration. I could go on about so much more because I've done so much research over the years but there's not much use in reporting anymore information.
I can't get over the last scene in this year's House of Cards where you see Frank & Clair Underwood sitting together and saying they will use FEAR to win re-election! AMAZING!
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)It ain't over til it's over....and it ain't over!
