I am so glad fucking Media IS DECIDING OUR ELECTIONS NOW. THEY COULDN'T WAIT A NITE.

[Armstead]

Amended -- The media not just Comcast. I was out earlier and came home and turned on the TV and they were talkiung about NBC calling it. So a pox on all their houses.


Godamn fucking Big Corporate Media has crossed over the line. Democracy is officially DEAD as a FUCKING DOOR NAIL. We are now the United States of Corporations.

Comcast -- who own NBC and Universal Studios and is trying to take over our entire national information infrastructure-- has decided that Clinton has won it. They have decided to undermine the electoral system.

By "coincidence" Comcast is sponsoring the Democratic National Convention

FUCK THEM.

Maybe Clinton has won it for real. But that is not the godamn point.

They could not wait a godamn night until the fucking people of California have had a chance to vote?

We no longer live in a democracy.

Enjoy your Official Oligarchy. Revel in the ILLUSION OF CHOICE that the Democratic Party has been complicit in creating.

[Armstead]

4. I might.

[LiberalFighter]

2. Comcast did not release the data. It was the AP.

[Armstead]

3. They suck too.

[Greywing]

5. Actually it was the Associated Press who called it

and CBS and ABC followed suit THEN NBC ... not fair but those are the facts.

[Armstead]

7. They all suck. It is disgraceful.

[Duval]

76. It is actually undemocratic, IMHO.

[George II]

167. Should the media have kept secret the results of all the primaries/caucuses going way back...

...to February 1?

[randome]

6. Reporters report. It's always a horse race to get the latest info out there.

Big deal.
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[Armstead]

12. It IS a big deal.

"Presumptive nominee" is a subjective opinion. It is NOT like a force of nature or an actual election.

They could have waited a night, and at least allowed the process to be completed. The largest state in the Union is voting tomorrow.

No way this will not affect the outcome with a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It stinks to high heaven and if you think it's okay, you disappoint me.

[randome]

149. Presumptive nominee is NOT a subjective opinion. It's based on math.

The math is just a snapshot of how things stand currently. Anything can change between now and the convention. It likely won't but, again, your argument is with math, which is an objective fact, not a subjective opinion.
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[KPN]

157. Don't you mean presumptuous nominee?

[randome]

159. That's getting old really quick.

Or am I missing something and you're passive-aggressively trying to inspire unity?
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[KPN]

163. Is it? Sorry -- I hadn't seen it before. Had I, I would not

have posted it.

As for the unity thing, nope. The hell with unity at this point.

I'm a Bernie or Buster.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

154. Seriously... democracy is DEAD!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[passiveporcupine]

80. Yeah, and every year it gets worse. They break the rules and don't care.

[randome]

116. What First Amendment rules are they breaking?

Please try to listen to yourselves. Your bitterness is making you see conspiracies everywhere.
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[KPN]

156. Anyone who doesn't see that the Democratic Party is rigged either

isn't paying attention, or are just lemmings frankly.

Anyone who doesn't care is worse.

[babylonsister]

146. It's a big damned deal for those people

who haven't even voted yet. Shame on you for thinking 'that' is no big deal.

[randome]

150. It would not have affected my determination to go to a polling place and vote.

I guess I'm more unique than I thought.
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[TwilightZone]

8. AP isn't Comcast.

Please proceed.

[Armstead]

13. They all suck.

[GulfCoast66]

98. Yes!!

And if we elect Bernie he will put the press in their...never mind.

[tritsofme]

9. Why did the CA Dem Party choose to have their primary last, and make their voters irrelevant?

Sounds like your beef should be with them.

[Armstead]

14. Some state (states) have to be last unless it is simultaneous.

[tritsofme]

29. Someone has to be last, it didn't have to be California

It didn't have to be weeks/months after the contest was decided.

No reason every state couldn't vote by the end of April when they could potentially be relevant to the process, I have no idea why state officials would choose to go dead last and make their voters irrelevant.

[Travis_0004]

43. Its designed to lower campaign cost

Mainly it state campaigns. Primaries are somewhat cheap, general elections are expense. By having it so late, state canidates do not go into general election mode until June, which makes elections more affordable. And to have a February/March presidential primary and a June state primary would be too expensive for the state.

[still_one]

35. and I suspect if one state changes their primary, states that have been upended, will then move

their's back up again

I personally don't think it would be a good idea to have primaries all run on the same day. Part of the process is get to know the candidates

People can legitimately disagree if that process is done fairly or not

[LiberalFighter]

40. Parties don't decide when to hold their primaries unless that is an option by state law.

Most states do not hold primaries just to decide who will be a nominee for President. California has this primary election to also decide the nominees for U.S. Senator and U.S. Representatives.

[Agnosticsherbet]

129. California's primary also decides city, county, and state office primaries. It is a big deal.

[LiberalFighter]

133. Yep! So any reduced voter return would be those that really aren't interested in their government.

I doubt there would be much of a lower voter turnout because of it.

[treestar]

147. they aren't irrelevant

It would depend how close the election is. In a close one they could be even more "relevant." In the end every vote is still the same in weight.

[Skinner]

10. Um. Isn't it their job to call it when it's clinched?

Why would it be any less biased to not call it when she reaches the necessary number of delegates? Wouldn't that technically be more biased than simply reporting the news when it happens?

[retrowire]

15. Super Delegates aren't committed until the convention. nt

[randome]

19. Everyone knows that.

All this is is the latest snapshot of how things stand currently.
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[Generic Brad]

99. Like the electoral college is not tied to the votes?

Seriously, your argument is little more than wishful thinking.

[retrowire]

103. A statement is an argument? WELL ILL BE DAMNED LOL nt

[Generic Brad]

105. The statement also reflects wishful thinking

Thank you so much for correcting the internet.

[TwilightZone]

16. Agreed.

If she has the numbers, she has the numbers. Sitting on that information wouldn't make any sense.

[bettyellen]

18. Common sense is noting more than a conspiracy dammit!

You are very kind to give this thing an additional week. More patient than I could be.

[Armstead]

23. I guess the process no longer matters.

How Republican of you.

[bettyellen]

26. Enough of the insults. We both understood this would be he result tomorrow, like it or not.

the AP did what they all try to do "get a scoop". And you blame Comcast and Hillary even though you know your OP is a lie. I could ask what that makes YOU sound like?

[Armstead]

44. If there is a similar cock up to favor the GOP in November then...

, I expect you to just shrug your shoulders and say "Well that's just the way it goes."

[bettyellen]

53. The GE is a whole different process and impossible to call a day before....

but you need to calm down and stop posting nonsense all calling us Republicans and blaming Comcast for AP decisions -manufacturing conspiracy theories. Enough of that shit already. Seriously.

[Armstead]

59. Remember 2000?

The Democrats were pressured to give up the night after the election.

There are many ways to artificially influence the results. You ready for the GOP and media to unleash their bag o' tricks?

This is not simply about Sanders v Clinton. It''s about how far from an actual democracy we are moving.

[bettyellen]

62. I remember a lot of "lefty" idiots saying Gore= Bush for six months, YES I DO. And the USSC....

there you go .

[Armstead]

64. I am not talking about that and you damn well know it

"Vice President Gore. You have clearly lost. Don't waste the nation's time with a recount or contesting the results. It's a done deal."

[bettyellen]

65. He was a dumbass not to get the state recounted. And for not letting Clinton stump for him....

And ultra lefties were TOTAL dumbasses for pushing for Nader.

[Armstead]

70. Just toss the Nader kitchen sink

And I never realized you hate progressives so much.

But aside from that, if you want to accept the media/GOP judgement if there is a similar problem in November go ahead. We don't need those processes that make up democracy anymore. Just let the media and the pooh bahs make the final decisions for us.

[bettyellen]

74. Nope. What I actually do hate, is letting Bush or Trump into office. Especially feeding voters fake

stories about Comcast, or Trump= Clinton, we here = Republicans or indictments "happening" when that is merely your fantasy talking. Stop making shit up. It should be beneath you.

[Armstead]

82. I don't dwell in indictments...Comcast really is sponsoring the democratic convention....

Trump does not equal Clinton.....but I don't have to like Clinton either.

I don't dwell in fantasy. I assumed frok day one that Clinton will be the nominee. But I had hoped there would at least be more of a level playing field.

Silly me. Thinking that almost half the people in the primary make any damn difference if they're not in lockstep with the Democratic Corporate Machine.

[bettyellen]

88. You want people to respect your opinions, stop calling them horrible names? What is so fucking hard

about that? Seriously. It's a lesson Sanders needs to learn too.

[Armstead]

91. People can respect my opinions or not. I'm pissed. Like REALLY pissed...

I was out with a friend tonight. We were talking fairly calmly about how it would probably be over tomorrow night. Not happy, but accepting of it.

Then I come home and find out that the California and otehr last states elections have been essentially nullified by the media and the Democratic machine.

Screw that. One more nail in the coffin of participatory democracy. It's not just about Sanders v. Clinton.

You and others will learn that the hard way when it';s your turn to be screwed by negation of the process.

Respect my opinion or not. It is not my concern at the moment.

[bettyellen]

96. I bet anything you'd be thrilled if they called it for SBS a day early. If I have learned one thing

this season, it is that there is no end to the "special new rules" you'd love to have apply to this race.
The shit about waiting till the convention was always ridiculous because it disrespects the majority of voters- and that was a really fucked up gambit to take. Not happening and I am happy it won;t.

[Armstead]

100. There are many factors involved

To be honest, I would not have wanted Bernie to stay on attack mode into the convention.

But I also don't want him to give up on the fight to open up the party.

I don't know what you are referring to by "new rules."

But I just hope you are as accepting of things if the GOP and/or media uses the rules to screw it up for Democrats down the line. It is not an impossibility.

[bettyellen]

120. If Sanders was ahead he'd be leaving HRC in the dust, debating Trump already

in fact he tried to. He was not going to get the SD to overturn their votes, and because he was spreading this fantasy scenario someone had to level set his supporters. Not happening- and enough SDs wanted AP to know it today.

You'll see Obama and probably Warren coming out to endorse her this week, because we really do not need another six weeks of playing games once the voting is over. SBS forced the hand of the SDs himself, and this is the result. They told AP he has no chance.

[Armstead]

123. Whatever....To quote Rhett Butler...

"Frankly I don't give a damn" anymore.

Have your election. I hope Clinton pulls it off against Trump.

At best we'll just slog along and allow the wealth to continue to become more concentrated, Corporations and Wall St. to continue to buy the government, private health insurance will continue to call the shots and keep medical care unaffordable....We'll continue to allow the poor to become poorer and more desperate. We'll allow the working class to continue to get screwed the middle class continue to shrink...While Lloyd Blankfine and his buddies amasse ever more obscene wealth.

Not to mention continued misadventures in the Middle East and elsewhere.

And a whole host of otehr crap that the Democratic Party has failed to acknowledge or address for too many years.

And all those enthusiastic young people. They will continue to be given little incentive to be enthusiastic about the political process, because they don't matter.

It's summer and life is too short for this shit.

[bettyellen]

134. all those enthusiastic young people would be having to work many years to see much progress....

governing was never going to be a cakewalk for any Dem next year....

[Armstead]

135. That's not a reason to deliberately surpress their engagement

And that has been a dominant theme.

Insult them as Berniebros. Tell them that their aspirations are not realistic. Tell them that they are not really welcome because they are just shallow young people who have not been engaged in party politics for years.

Doesn't matter. It's done. Clinton gets the mess. As far as I'm concerned, she's welcome to it. Good luck to her. She is going to need it.

[bettyellen]

136. This ALWAYS happens to the last states in the primary. ALWAYS. Why sugarcoat this shit for new

voters, for fucks sake? Honestly- this is ridiculous, if you want to change things it takes work- not complaining about it after it fucking happens. This shit is getting really embarrassing.

[KPN]

164. Well said!

[Scootaloo]

153. And I remember 308,000 Florida Democrats voting Bush.

I remember them being joined by 20% of the party nationwide.

[Travis_0004]

47. I think the process does matter

Because of the process, Hillary Clinton is now the presumptive nominee.

[Armstead]

21. NO IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO PUT IN FINAL NAILS

If Clinton wins it, so be it.

But to anoint her as the "presumed nominee" the night before the largest state in the union is set to vote is UNDERMINING THE PROCESS.

They all couldn't have waited one more night until they had a chance to vote?

Hell let's just call the Presidential Elections in September if one candidate is far enough ahead in the polls.

Democrats should not defend that behavior. I don't care who one supports.

[Skinner]

22. Don't call me Republican.

You're better than that.

[Armstead]

25. I thought better of that and changed it before I saw your response

That was low of me and I apologize.

But I really am pissed. This is not how democracy is supposed to work, no matter who is the winner.

[Skinner]

30. You might also consider removing it from your post above.

I don't really want to be treated any better than you are willing to treat other DUers.

[passiveporcupine]

87. You might want to consider how you are treating others too.

Just sayin...not in this thread at this point, but elsewhere.

[Armstead]

113. I do need to calm down I'll admit....But I am reallly angry....

and I am angry that Democrats are condoning the idea that the media should be making remaining primaries meaningless by pronouncing it over the night before important votes.

This is not just about Bernie v. Clinton. It brings back memories of 2000, and the otehr times the GOP and/or media have undercut the process to the determent of Democrats.

We accept this, and that means we have to accept similar things in the future.

FYI I was out with a friend tonight, and we were accepting that the primary is essentially over. Not happy about it but accepting it.

.....But when I came home and turned on the TV and saw that California, New Jersey and the otehr states had been essentially disenfranchised by the media calling the primary officially over the NIGHT BEFORE a huge vote....Well it made steam come out of my ears.

I apologize if I vented too strongly to some. But I believe any Democrat who believes in the process should be angry about this, whomever they support.

[Lord Magus]

97. There's always the possibility that somebody will win before all states have voted.

In fact that happens more often than not. Was it unfair that Gore in 2000 secured the nomination in March, long before many states had voted? Was it unfair that Kerry did the same in 2004? Would it have been unfair, had the AP not conducted their survey of the superdelegates, for the winner to be called before the District of Columbia got to vote?

[LiberalFighter]

48. Strange that some would suggest the media should not report facts.

[dana_b]

58. she doesn't have the pledged delegates

why do we have to explain this to you?

[Else You Are Mad]

83. The problem is...

Those less informed than most of us that post here will read and/or watch this and they will not go out to vote -- this applies to both sides. And, there are other primaries and ballot issues that need to be voted on that could be negatively impacted by hearing this. If Hillary won/lost, the less politically savvy will not realize they still need to go out and vote

Apart from the Hillary/Bernie race, this is media negligence at best.

[antigop]

122. Oh, good lord. nt

[KPN]

158. The timing is suspect ... and breeds distrust. Is that good?

The responsible thing would be to wait one day don't you think? Is being responsible biased?

[Nye Bevan]

11. Elitist news organizations should temporarily suppress stories from the unwashed masses

because they are not quite ready to handle the truth?

[Armstead]

28. There used to be some standards as to when it is responsible to make such determinations

People should have a chance to vote without being told their vote doesn't matter because the media has made a decision.

If they did this and declared the GOP the winner in an election before the vote, you know goddamn well you'd be pissed.

[Nye Bevan]

46. I'm fine with news stories not being witheld from the public

in the name of being "responsible". In fact I would be fine with exit polls being published in real time all day on polling day.

[Lord Magus]

104. When one candidate has 2383 or more delegates they win. Even if some states haven't voted yet.

Suppose Hillary had won a few more states and secured a delegate majority on May 17. Or suppose Bernie hadn't run at all, and Hillary only had O'Malley to beat and thus reached 2383 pledged delegates months ago. Would it then have been unfair for the media to say there's a nominee before many states voted?

The reality is that more often than not, somebody will have a delegate majority before every state has voted. That's the nature of the primary system, and will continue to be unless we start having simultaneous nationwide voting. I'm not saying that would be a good idea (though I'm not saying it would be a bad idea either), just that it's the only possible way we could guarantee that every primary ballot gets cast before a winner is named.

[ecstatic]

17. Hyperbole, although I wish AP had waited

until after tomorrow's butt kicking... I'm hoping this doesn't depress turnout.

[still_one]

41. It won't in California. We have other offices, propositions, and local initiatives.

[LiberalFighter]

52. That is a big difference compared to holding a primary just for President.

[still_one]

95. Besides that, both Clinton and Sanders want their supporters to come out and vote, if for nothing

else to demonstrate their support among the voters.

but yes, your point that this is more than just a primary for President is right on

[icecreamfan]

20. Fuck Comcast.

[onenote]

24. sounds like you're not so happy with the media for doing their jobs

which is to report newsworthy events when they happen, not hold off reporting until you're ready to hear the news.

Honestly, if Bernie had swept through the primaries and won 2383 delegates before California voted would you be this upset?

[Armstead]

31. So their job is to determine elections now?

Honestly, I don't think any wionners should be called before the process is done.

Honestly if this involved scuttling an election to favor Republicans, you'd just accept it?

[Maru Kitteh]

34. Were you upset when they "determined" the election for Obama?

Were you upset when Sanders "determined" the election for Obama in 2008 before Hillary dropped out?

[Armstead]

49. Reporting and establishing an "official" final result are not the same thing

I fully expected Clinton to win.

But I though that at least the voting would be allowed to be completed to minimize the artificial skewing of the result.

[Maru Kitteh]

54. I think the HRC campaign is just as worried about supression, perhaps more so

It seems like it would be more supressive of her voters. As in "hey we got this thing, don't really feel like standing in a long line tonight in the hot sun."

[Armstead]

61. "Bernie's lost already. There's no point in standing in line to cast a meaningless vite."

[JustinL]

75. Obama had won a majority of the pledged delegates n/t

[onenote]

42. You say determined. I say reported.

The fact they reported determine the outcome. Not those reporting those facts.

[TimPlo]

27. What is sad is that all Clinton supporters cheering this

Do not remember 2000 election. The media calling it over for Bush was same shit as this. And we see how that turned out. It effected the election. Same here no matter what happens tomorrow the news calling a early winner is dishonest and many are just going to see this as not a true count of voters. She is not the nominee till CA votes. If Sanders got 80% of vote in CA he would have the majority of pledged delegates, are we to think the SD would not then change their votes then? But we will never know if Sanders had a chance because the media threw a biased call into the mix.

[Armstead]

33. EXACTLY!

If there is a similar cock up in the General Election to favor the GOP, these people have sacrificed all right to object.

[Skinner]

39. AP called the Republican primary on May 26.

https://twitter.com/ap_politics/status/735836103542988800

[bettyellen]

57. But tonight they spelled it out with CHEMTRAILS across the sky, Skinner, explain THAT!!!

[Armstead]

66. A lot of Republicans were not happy about that.....They still aren't

Let's just cancel the conventions. They're nothing but multi-night infomercials.

[Lord Magus]

108. Those Republicans were unhappy about the outcome, not about the announcement.

Something they have in common with you.

[baran]

127. With PLEDGED delegates . . .

no super delegates involved there. THAT was a clear-cut majority! This -- not so much.

[Lord Magus]

107. What we're cheering is our candidate's victory.

And please be serious, 80% of the vote in CA is not achievable.

[bigwillq]

169. Even if AP didn't call, it would be highly unlikely Bernie would get 80 percent

In Cali.

And highly unlikely that Hillary would get 80 percent in Cali.

[me b zola]

32. They've become quite creative with vote suppression techniques

[KingFlorez]

36. It doesn't make a difference

Media calls do not decide elections, period. Present one piece of evidence that a media call trumps votes.

[still_one]

45. exactly

[TheFarS1de]

117. Bandwagon Effect .

eom.

[Brickbat]

37. .

[jamese777]

38. Washington DC is the last primary

Not tomorrow and nobody knows ahead of time who is going to be where in the delegate count when one candidate becomes the "presumptive nominee."
Th OP is trying to kill the messenger.

[YouDig]

50. I don't like it either, but they're just reporting facts.

I would rather they just wait until tomorrow, when Hillary has the majority of pledged and super delegates and also the majority of popular votes. Then nobody could argue.

But the fact is, Hillary hit the number tonight. You can't blame the media for not sitting on it. If one outlet doesn't report it another one will. They all want to be first. They're not going to hold back from reporting facts for dramatic effect.

[pmorlan1]

51. Pathetic

No need for voting any more we will just get the AP to take a survey and let us know who won.

[dana_b]

55. A fucking oligarchy is right

Fascists. Trying to suppress the votes in MY state! FUCK THEM!!!!!!!!!!

[MFM008]

56. I told everyone

The media can't help themselves.

[1StrongBlackMan]

60. I know you are disappointed ... even angry ... But, what does the word "presumptive" ...

mean to you?

[Armstead]

63. It means it is assumed that she is already the official nominee.

Therefore if you live in California or one of the otehr remaining states, it creates a self fulfilling prophecy. "Why make the effort to vote for a candidate who has already lost?"

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. Would you, if you lived in California or one of the other remaining states ...

not vote because of that designation? If not ...

Then, why would you presume it will have that effect on others?

[Armstead]

73. It is very tempting not to. Why stand in line for hours to do something that makes no difference?

[Renew Deal]

67. They could have waited 24 hours.

[Number23]

144. They could have waited 24 YEARS and it wouldn't have changed one damn thing

Sanders was never going to be the nominee. Lost way too many races and constituencies.

Even if he won California even by 70-30% it would change NOTHING. This OP is incredibly embarrassing.

[Daniel537]

68. MSNBC loves to rail against voter suppression by the GOP

but they are more than happy to be shills for Clinton and the DNC. Can't have an upset tomorrow in California, now can we? I was never going to vote for Hillary so my Florida vote will be going to Jill Stein. Dems can now enjoy they're regime change neocon candidate.

[Lord Magus]

109. Calling this "voter suppression" is insane.

The media doesn't have an obligation to sit on this information, any more than they would have an obligation to sit on anything else that could impact election results.

[Corporate666]

71. They HAVE waited

It's been over for weeks... months even!

The media has been VERY generous with Bernie by not putting hard questions to him, not illustrating how lost his cause is, and not taking him to task for his pandering and grumpy sore-loser rhetoric.

Hillary has won the delegates needed for the nomination. Expecting the media NOT to report that just so Bernie can feel better about getting his ass kicked is just ridiculous.

[Armstead]

77. They couldn't have the decency to allow the voting to proceed without...

...putting their thumb on the scale?

[Corporate666]

81. You have to face reality

They did not have "their thumb on the scale".

Hillary has been ahead for months. Why do the Bernie supporters flat out refuse to believe that it's possible she is just the preferred candidate? Are you all to egotistical that you think it's absolutely impossible for people to think differently without being wrong or without being misinformed or stupid or racist or falling victim to lies or victim of media/corporate/super PAC bias?

She gets coverage because she's winning. Why on earth should they give equal time to Bernie? He's been out of the race for months. He's been a non-issue for months.

The only reason some of you folks are going apeshit right now is because you've been buying into his bullshit and thinking there was actually a chance. There wasn't. He just didn't have the support of the people. Period.

[Armstead]

86. The thumb has been on the scale since at least 2014

[Corporate666]

94. you're suffering from confirmation bias

there's probably some guy driving a bus in Cleveland who would be the best President the USA has ever seen. But he will never get a shot because he has no podium to speak from, no name recognition, no money and no following.

Is it 'fair' that he will never get a shot? Is it fair that Bernie automatically gets airtime, name recognition, financing and a podium to speak from because he's already in politics? No, it's not fair. But it's life.

Politics isn't every interested party submitting an essay on why they should win. It's a popularity contest where money, connections, sound-bytes, physical appearance and other factors all play a big role.

Until I hear Bernie supporters saying that Bernie should have eased up on his new media ground game (facebook, twitter, web forums, etc) to make sure Hillary has equal exposure, then those supporters are nothing but hypocrites being sore losers.

[Seeinghope]

112. Don't they have to reach a certain magic number????

[passiveporcupine]

72. Hey, don't be surprised if Skinner calls it tonight

I know he wants to but it would be presumptuous and assume he already knows Cali's turnout.

Sorry guys...you just need to be a little more patient...until tomorrow night after the votes are in, then you can call a presumptive nominee.

Thanks for respecting the rest of us.

[geek tragedy]

78. as a Clinton supporter I find this disrespectful to her campaign

as well as to Sanders's campaign.

the media should not be manufacturing news--if these delegates aren't committed in public, they're not committed.

[Jennylynn]

168. Thank you!

[anigbrowl]

79. Wow, what a tantrum

Look, the rest of the country is not obliged to play along with your last-minute-improbable-victory fantasy. Enough voters and superdelegates have already expressed their preference for her to be able to win, but nobody's supposed to report that fact because it will hurt your feelings? Ridiculous.

[Armstead]

84. We'll see how you feel if something similar happens in November

[anigbrowl]

90. That would be tricky since all states vote on the same day in November

Is it somehow Hillary Clinton's fault that the primaries are spread out over time and it's possible for one person to be reasonably identified as the victor before all the voting has concluded? Everyone knows it's not the official result which doesn't take place until the convention, so what's the problem here? Nobody is preventing Bernie fans from going out to vote tomorrow if they want to.

[Armstead]

92. There are many to skin a cat and screw up an election

You may find out the hard way, when there is some "snafu" that brings us President Trump...or some other manipulation that results in a GOP victory. Remember 2000? Remember the questions about Kerry and Ohio?

[CountAllVotes]

85. not over yet

Not over until every vote has been counted.

Sanders 2016 ---> all the way to the convention!

[Beacool]

89. I don't know why the AP couldn't wait until all votes were counted,

but the truth is that the media was going to call her the presumptive nominee tomorrow night after the polls closed in NJ. They seem to be chomping at the bit for the general election to get on its way.

[Armstead]

93. There is a very large difference between tonight and tomorrow night

There's a little thing called a primary in the largest state in the union tomorrow...not to mention other primaries.

The world would not have ended if they had to sit on their "scoops" for a day so those silly liuttle voters could have a say without an artificial ending of the election.

[Lord Magus]

114. And a winner would've been called tomorrow night BEFORE that primary in the largest state ended.

Had there not been additional superdelegate endorsements today that put Hillary over the top, instead it would've been New Jersey's results putting her over while the polls were still open in California.

[Armstead]

118. I think results should always be embargoed until the West Coast has voted

[Lord Magus]

119. The 1st Amendment says too bad.

There would be no legal grounds for allowing such an embargo.

Also why just the West Coast? Are those 3 states the only ones that matter?

[Beacool]

137. I agree that they should have waited until at least all the votes were counted in the Western states

The outcome would have been the same, but the people in those states deserved to have a chance to vote before the winner was announced.

[Lord Magus]

111. Tomorrow night there would still be uncounted votes.

The media calls a winner when somebody wins.

[Beacool]

138. Yes, well, the AP decided to jump the gun.

[onenote]

101. Here's an alternate title for your rant: I hate a free press that reports the news as it happens

[gopiscrap]

102. No kidding

[gordyfl]

106. Bernie on the Cover of Time magazine, Again

This week's issue (June 2016).

I just picked up a copy at the supermarket.

[Hokie]

110. The media is doing their job

If AP has information that enough super delegates have indicated they are voting for Clinton plus pledged delegates to constitute a majority then that's news. Why should they hold that back? Reporting news is what they do.

California is the one that scheduled the date of their primary. They knew that the odds favor one candidate clinching by June. Anyone with a brain knew that Clinton would clinch tomorrow regardless of the outcome of any of the states.

[Armstead]

115. It's not news that could not wait.

There used to be some sense of restraint in when to release information about elections, so as not to interfere with the process.

This is just a case of "scoop fever" mixed in with the desire of some in power to put a premature end to the process.

[Hokie]

121. Premature is in the eyes of the beholder

You are looking at this through glasses colored with your beliefs. Hillary winning the nomination is a big deal. It's news. The AP has been keeping a running count of delegates. They update it as they have information. I think Hillary's people if the truth be told would not have wanted this news out tonight.

[randome]

124. Yeah, Sanders really fucked up. He should have gone for the parachute option.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Sparkly]

125. "We no longer live in a democracy."

Oh, the irony...

[Armstead]

126. If you don't care that the media has just negated several primaries...go ahead and laugh

[Lord Magus]

130. No, the delegate count did that. -nt-

[baran]

131. Unbelievable isn't it?!!! n/t

[RandySF]

128. They need sponsors

There aren't enough $27 donors to cover something that big.

[Lord Magus]

132. There's a difference between "deciding" the election and reporting the outcome.

Rational people can see that difference.

[Lars39]

139. I've googled but can't find it easily....

But I swear in past elections, there were statements made that it is illegal in other countries for the media to call it while people are still voting. Has everyone forgotten Dubya's relative calling it for him on election night? It's dishonest.

It should be illegal here. I'm for all the primaries happening on the same day, too. Non of this stacking the deck with certain states voting before there's even a debate. And to hell with super delegates. Needs to be abolished.
Every vote counts with full transparency.

[ScreamingMeemie]

140. This is "different." "It's Hillary..."

God help us all. I am so ashamed of DU right now. I don't know these people anymore.

[Lars39]

141. I know.

I mostly lurk now, but read everything.
Lost a lot of respect for a lot of people that I thought were decent human beings, who believed in pursuing truth and wanted everyone to be able to participate in democracy.

[qdouble]

142. God damned media reporting facts

ARGH!!!

[Number23]

143. This is... painful.

[felix_numinous]

145. Vote vote vote

Do not listen to liars and cheats. If the votes didn't matter WHY would they call it early???

[NurseJackie]

148. I really like this OP! I can't help it ... I just do! It's so ....

[seabeyond]

151. Voters decided.

[tonyt53]

152. "We no longer live in a democracy"? She has about 3 million more votes!

So, how democratic would it be to ignore the will of those voters and simply hand the nomination to Bernie? Oh, and us real Democrats like our process.

[UglyGreed]

155. IMO what is worse

is that many so called democrats defend this propaganda...........

[stonecutter357]

161. what's "Russia Today" opinion?

[NurseJackie]

162. Now THAT'S funny! :-P

(They really do love that network, don't they?)

[George II]

165. The "media decided our election"? How about the 13 million people who voted for Clinton and.....

....the 10 million who voted for Sanders? They had no say in this?

[Todays_Illusion]

166. So does anyone at all wonder why our most conservative MSM media provider is manipulating the

vote for Hillary Clinton, and for that matter all the media, the same media who has not since Jimmy Carter met a Democratic candidate they couldn't hate.

[myrna minx]

170. This is absolutely infuriating.

[libodem]

171. Silly us

Votes don't matter. Why bother?

[JEB]

172. If this is how the campaign is run just imagine a Clinton Administration.