In from canvassing, Bernie supporters said media says HRC is nominee, why vote

[amborin]

My husband repeated this when I got home. He said the news he saw said
NBC said that Hillary now had enough delegates and had won the nomination.

This is unbelievable treachery.


If Bernie loses California, this is on the HRC campaign and the corrupt media.

Totally unconscionable, unbelievably corrupt, to try to depress the Bernie vote.

If HRC wins California, it's because of this outrageously evil tactic

Hillary supporters, think about this: a candidate who resorts to this does so because they can only win by these means.

Believe me, I and the canvassing team tonight are enraged.

[Fresh_Start]

1. Clinton didn't do it. The AP did

and other media followed.

[larkrake]

6. bullshit

[larkrake]

9. bull pucky

[eastwestdem]

45. If you really think she has power over the associated press, then maybe she really should win.

That would come in handy as president.

[JSup]

63. Considering...

...her and the media have been enemies for how many decades again?

There's a reason she's almost paranoid in her privacy.

[Ron Green]

10. Clinton, the media and their owners are a seamless continuum.

They will always protect what they've got.

[wendylaroux]

80. this^^^^^^^^^^

[warrprayer]

128. What they said. N/t

[apcalc]

81. Why the media pounds her every chance they get....

The media is not her friend. Never has been.

[HooptieWagon]

134. Herself and media have same Wall St owners. Nt

[FourScore]

16. Do you really believe that? n/t

[Fresh_Start]

27. Yes, I do

she is scheduled at a major event in NYC tomorrow...

versus a small event in California today.

So her choice would have been tomorrow night after NJ polls closed in her own backyard...

Long Beach Community College or Brooklyn Navy Yard..
Think about it

[eastwestdem]

47. So true, HRC campaign was just as suprised by this as anyone. They had big plans for tomorrow night.

Now it will be a late, forced 'victory' party...and to top it off, her voters won't come out as expected in either NJ or CA, so she may lose some of her expected delegates in NJ (where she previously had a large lead)...and could lose CA altogether.

[LAS14]

124. I believe it too.

[Maedhros]

129. Clinton supporters are, if anything, exceptionally credulous.

They'll believe pretty much anything you tell them if it makes their hero look good.

[CorporatistNation]

18. DEM ESTABLISHMENT BEHIND IT... CORRUPTION ON AN EPIC SCALE! UNIFY? WHAT'S THAT?

FUCK THESE ASSHOLES!

[Tortmaster]

54. I can't tell anymore if this is snark.

The all caps should be a clue.

The fact that the claim by the OP is out-and-out Conspiracy Theory should be a clue.

But there are others who either believe the Conspiracy Theory or pretend to in order to further their agenda.

I'm stumped.

[stevenleser]

91. Its not snark, they actually believe that stuff. nt

[senz]

103. "I am not a crook!" LOL.

[BreakfastClub]

19. But that fact doesn't fit the narrative of evil Hllary, so they will ignore it. nt

[still_one]

56. Don't even waste your breath. Some are so blinded with their bias, they have lost

any trace of critical thinking.

Anyone who says they are not voting because of the AP announcement in California, where I live, is saying they do not care about the other offices or issues on the ballot. That itself speaks volumes about the type of voter they are.

The Field Poll has been very accurate, and since the majority of the other polls confirm the Field Poll, California will be no blowout for any candidate.

While people like to believe their own propaganda, that their candidate was going to win huge in California, that does not correlate with the facts.

Those who were registered Democrats in the last election are overwhelmingly for Hillary. That is NOT a small number. The wild card are the newly registered voters and those registered as NPP. What the majority of polls indicate is that there is a 2 point spread between the candidates in the final result. In other words, no one is going to have a blowout win in California

While I have no doubt that some will use the AP announcement as the excuse why there wasn't a blowout in California, the polls have been confirming this for the last two weeks.

[rock]

78. Very well put

Thanks.

[NorthCarolina]

72. Except there's this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512147762

I would probably not push that "Hillary had no idea" bullshit if I was a Hillary supporter; and that's a pretty big If.

[Fresh_Start]

76. ummm. I'll let reddit respond to you

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4mynxy/get_the_word_out_please_hillary_sent_out_an_email/d3zcaa9

its sort of like the spontaneous demonstrations Bernie supporters intend for the convention.
Being spontaneous takes a lot of planning.

So does being prepared.

[quickesst]

82. Like talking to a tea partier...

... about vaccinations.

[Enthusiast]

92. I believe differently.

[Fresh_Start]

104. AP says they did it all by themselves

but feel free to enjoy the conspiracy of the moment

[Enthusiast]

115. No. There have been too many of these little "incidents" for it to be a coincidence.

If you were on the receiving end you would see it.

[Land of Enchantment]

107. get real. nt

[Fresh_Start]

111. you should consider your own advice nt

nt

[Land of Enchantment]

131. Ironic handle for one who endorses the same old, same old. I have voted since 1972. McGovern.

I was likely voting before you were born. I have run state volunteer campaigns, donated thousands to D candidates and canvassed in 100 degree heat.

Want a fresh start? You are not going to get one with the establishment. Good luck to you because you are going to need it down the road when the flash flood of the FBI and Clinton Foundation pay to play come in.

It will be like watching Archibald Cox and Nixon back in the early 70's. Been there, done that, got a LOT of tee shirts.

[alittlelark]

117. uh, yeah.....

[Jarqui]

118. As I see it, just one more in a long string of dirty Clinton tricks

[msongs]

2. math is not treacherous. amazing that sanders voters quit so easily eh? nt

[still_one]

57. The OP seems to ignore that there are other issues, and elected offices on the ballot

Is it being suggested that they are single issue voters? If so, that speaks volumes

[BzaDem]

3. Hillary won a long time ago. So I don't see how she could "only win by these means."

Frankly, the press has been very deferential to Bernie by not candidly explaining he had no shot months ago. The idea that they should not report factual information about who reaches what delegate counts (in the same way they have been doing so for DECADES) is absurd.

[Armstead]

34. No shot months ago...If true it is evidence of blatant corruption

[BzaDem]

52. Yeah, winning more votes than your opponent is "corruption."

[apcalc]

84. Evidence? How so?

Evident Super Tuesday in March that he could realistically statistically catch up ...check Nate Silver.

[amborin]

60. yeah, she "won" before the first vote was cast

[Trust Buster]

4. This is well within historical norms. This was obvious. We should celebrate the first female nominee

[FourScore]

21. You keep posting that. Please elaborate on those "historical norms"

where a nominee's win was decided by the media before the PLEDGED delegate count had been attained.

[Trust Buster]

29. Take Sanders himself. He recognized then Senator Obama before Hillary ceded and long before

the convention. Just this year, the news media recognized Trump months ago. It's all good.

[FourScore]

31. You don't understand what is happening, do you? n/t

[Trust Buster]

32. Sure do, I understood that Hillary wrapped up the nomination on Super Tuesday.

I have tempered my emotions until more certainty was attained. Tonight I'm in a celebratory mood. It's all good.

[FourScore]

35. That's what I thought. n/t

[Trust Buster]

37. Tonight is a night to find common ground. For instance, your screen name and my avatar reflect

a common sense of purpose.

[RandySF]

5. There's still plenty to vote for.

Four pages worth here on our SF ballot.

[YouDig]

7. Hillary didn't do anything. And the media simply reported facts.

As far as the excuses for losing, I'm sure that Berners would have been able to come up with plenty of them even if this hadn't happened, like they have for all the other states he lost.

[Renew Deal]

8. Why do you assume the Clinton campaign did it?

It doesn't help them. Hillary was winning every poll in CA. Her campaign predicted she would win. Sanders camp was sending signs that the end was near. It is riskier for Hillary's supporters to not show up than it is for Bernie's. I'd say that if Bernie wins it's the medias fault. Her campaign wouldn't predict victory if they didn't expect to win.

[Barack_America]

12. Because the AP knew just who to contact today.

What? You think they contact all 700+ supers every day?

No. Clinton gave them the list of the reported 40 supers they were holding onto.

This was a setup to avoid/frame an embarrassing CA loss.

[Renew Deal]

14. It might be a setup, but from AP

The delegate lists are public

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

But it wouldn't surprise me if they picked up commitments days or weeks ago and sat on them.

[msongs]

15. it just MIGHT be possible that these people are SMART enough to find out who is who without

having to be told by a campaign. ya think?

[TwilightZone]

24. The AP is in frequent contact with *all* superdelegates throughout the entire election cycle.

You really should learn something about how the AP operates in regard to elections so you don't look silly.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4c9c850385c84b12ad5b85fda49743f9/after-weekend-wins-clinton-cusp-democratic-nomination

"The AP surveyed all 714 superdelegates repeatedly in the past seven months, and only 95 remain publicly uncommitted.

(snip)

While superdelegates can change their minds, those counted in Clinton's tally have unequivocally told the AP they will support her at the party's summer convention. Since the start of the AP's survey in late 2015, no superdelegates have switched from supporting Clinton to backing Sanders."

[apcalc]

83. and you know this how?

All he news organizations routinely poll supers. Several days ago CNN's John King said on air that Hillary had 40 unannounced supers that we're going to make themselves know tonight .
AP jumped the gun on them.

[Zynx]

11. In what fantasy universe does this actually matter? Even a narrow win in CA meant NOTHING for Bernie

[amborin]

61. Bernie was slated to win California by a significant margin and it would have humiliated HRC and sho

increased Bernie's ability to correctly argue that she must not be the nominee

HRC and media were desperate to prevent this

[Zynx]

71. Based on? All polling and demographic work had it with a small Hillary lead

or basically tied. A "significant" margin was a fiction invented by the Sanders supporters.

[Waiting For Everyman]

13. Cheating isn't winning.

She has done it from day one. The first tactic was having the hundreds of supers lined up, which made her look "inevitable" before the race even started.

She and the party haven't done one thing in a fair way through this whole election. It's because there is nothing honest about them. They literally ARE the corruption in our party and in our government (along with the Repubs' counterparts). They acted it out for us, and showed us beyond all doubt.

This would have never come to light unless someone like Bernie had run. He has caused a number of things to become very clear, and that is why they hate him. And oh yes, they do hate him, that's easy to see, they can't even hide it.

[msongs]

17. umm BERNIE himself said the process is NOT RIGGED and he knew the rules before playing ->

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-agrees-democratic-process-not-rigged

[bettyellen]

25. If voters are upset SBS can't win... it's because their candidate lied that he had a path.

He did not.

[Waiting For Everyman]

26. We know what we saw and heard.

We don't need anyone to TELL US what we saw and heard. There isn't any way to spin it.

[BreakfastClub]

22. She hasn't cheated one damn bit. That is a lie, and it reflects poorly on you. nt

[JudyM]

40. +1000

[Jitter65]

20. If Hillary loses Cali, than what will you say? nt

[LibDemAlways]

36. I've got news for you. The whole reason behind this

shameless stunt tonight is that Hillary's internal poll numbers tell her she is losing California bigtime. This is going to motivate Bernie voters like you wouldn't believe. He is going to blow her out of the water tomorrow in California, and it will be a sweet sweet victory.

[JohnnyRingo]

53. Not according to the OP

Said they were canvassing and people were giving up on Sanders.
Sounds like all but the Bernie or Bust crowd see the writing on the wall. That's not a majority of supporters.

This will really hurt Bernie in donations. You should send in the rest of your $2500 maximum. You'll feel better for it.

[amborin]

64. hearing M$M declare HRC the nominee is not "seeing writing on wall"

the actual nomination is at the convention, this year more than ever, due to the FBI investigation, etc.

many people are very stressed and have very little time and ability to read thoroughly and get credible info
so they rely on M$M so if they hear this, they incorrectly think it's final

[JohnnyRingo]

138. I'm not sure how you think everything will turn around...

...and give the primary to the candidate with fewer votes and delegates. The convention is just a formality for what has already been decided by the voters.

Maybe you pray to God each night before you sleep that Hillary will be in handcuffs later this month. You should petition for a cure for cancer instead. That way if your miracle somehow comes to pass the world will be a better place.

If Bernie supporters or Republicans had anything on Clinton, she'd already be indicted. Everyone else has moved on to the general election.

[RogerM]

23. LMAO

LMAO. The math does not matter for Bernie supporters. It is always a robbery if Bernie loses.

[senz]

28. Amborin, her supporters know what she is. They don't care.

Hillary doesn't mind cheating. Just look at her life. All that "baggage?" That's karma. She doesn't care.

[azurnoir]

30. are you telling us her ploy worked?

[amborin]

42. it well might

a lot of people are tired, they work two jobs, they're stressed; kids are crying, people are crammed into apartments, they like Bernie and planned to vote for him. But that means finding time, standing in long lines, finding time from their jobs, finding infant care, getting to the polling place. If the media says it's all over, then many may reason: will my vote really count? doesn't sound that way, i'm tired, I was planning to vote but now it's a done deal and instead of more hardship and stress, i'll skip it

[azurnoir]

43. but it's not a done deal yet, the ploy doesn't work unless it's allowed to

[apcalc]

85. Sounds just like why caucuses are undemocratic, btw.

[okasha]

33. I think AP could have sat on this for 24 hours,

but breaking an important story is always going to be a huge motivation for journalists.

I hope you pointed out to the voters you spoke to that downticket candidates need their votes more than either presidential candidate does at this point. We need wins all the way down the ticket to have the kind of programs that are in both presidential candidates' platforms.

[LibDemAlways]

38. Don't worry. By tomorrow there will be so many

enraged Bernie voters at the polls in California telling Hillary and the media to shove it, that he'll win handily. I can't stand Trump, but his characterization of Hillary as crooked is right on the money. She's about to get her ass whipped in CA, so what does she do? Convinces the equally corrupt press to preemptively declare her the winner to try to stave off an embarrassing defeat in the most populous state. It's sleazy and deceitful, but about what I've come to expect from the bottomfeeders who run her campaign.

[writes3000]

50. You are so caught up in irrational hatred that you can't see straight.

Hillary will win the majority of pledged delegates tomorrow. In New Jersey. The press would have declared her the Presumptive Nominee before polls closed in CA. Even if Bernie wins CA, it won't change where this is headed. Superdelegates will not bail on Hillary unless something catastrophic happens. Losing CA isn't that.

So Hillary has no reason to secretly tell a bunch of Superdelegates to reveal their choice and SPOIL her victory speech. That's just a ridiculous theory.

PS - I see people connoting a theory that 20 or more Superdelegates all revealed their support for Clinton today. No one knows that to be true. It could have been five Superdelagates today and several others within the last week or so. Just being pissed and buying into the latest victim theory doesn't make any of those assertions a fact.

[amborin]

65. you are incorrect; HRC would have lost California in the most humiliating manner and it would have c

crippled her; the major mortification of losing a huge western state would have underscored what a weak and disliked
candidate she is and would have made even the bought and paid supers think twice

[senz]

39. Hilary has not won the nomination. She doesn't have the numbers.

To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2383 delegates.

Hillary currently has 1,812 pledged delegates. Bernie currently has 1,526 pledged delegates. To reach 2383 before the convention, Hillary needs 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie needs 857 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote on Tuesday and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining states.

Therefore, Hillary has not won and she cannot win without superdelegate votes. The superdelegates vote at the convention. Superdelegates can change their minds. There are some good strategic reasons why they may want to vote for Bernie rather than Hillary.

The fucking media is playing with our fucking heads. They had the gall to announce this before the remaining seven primaries. Those primaries could have made a difference. California could have made a huge difference for Bernie. This is sabotage.

They know most people don't understand this stuff. Heck, a lot of people here on DU don't understand it -- even though it's not complicated.

[anigbrowl]

41. Pledged delegates vote at the convention too

Really, lecturing Hillary supporters about delegate math is cringe inducing.

[senz]

48. Obviously. But they are pledged. SDs are "soft," they can change.

I was not lecturing anybody; I was sharing information and dispelling some widely held misconceptions that have been floating around DU. But come to think of it, Hill fans have seemed the furthest off.

You can go ahead and "cringe" all you want. Feel free.

[TheFarS1de]

44. Bandwagon Effect

Anyway at any cost .

[marlakay]

46. Because of news i had to talk my daughter into voting

She said she heard Hillary already won....

Ugh!!!

[senz]

49. I hope this gets the discussion it deserves tomorrow. What they did is a scandal.

Really sad how they're discouraging voters.

[gopiscrap]

51. I'm with you!!!

[felix_numinous]

55. All these young people voting for the first time

now get to learn how election fraud works in America. States haven't voted yet, let them vote before you declare a winner.

You HRC people DARE to call for UNITY?? Prove you actually believe in democracy and at least act like everyone's vote counts.

[djean111]

58. They know unity is not possible.

Hillary will swing hard right - where she belongs - and woo GOP voters.

Really, what other group will cheerfully vote vote war and the TPP and fracking and slashing social programs for the Third Way, and other RW stances Hillary has?

[Adrahil]

59. Well here's the thing...

REGARDLESS of today's results (realistically), she will have a majority of pledged delegates today. Welcome to the real world. Bernie could win CA by 20 points today and still lose. In the end, this doesn't matter at all.

[amborin]

67. it does matter; she was going to lose CA and be embarrassingly revealed as the weak and disliked

candidate that she is, in an even more obvious way

[onenote]

75. The polls said it was going to be close

And a close win doesn't change things for Sanders.

And it doesn't really hurt Clinton. She'll still have the majority of the pledged delegates, still have won the most states, still have won states that made up the Obama electoral majority with more electoral votes than Sanders, still have more popular votes.

The only thing Sanders has in his toolbox for persuading SDs to switch under those circumstances are GE polls that are notoriously unreliable this far away from the election.

[amborin]

87. she originally had a 63% lead in California, and Bernie was slated to win! mortifying for HRC

so they had to prevent this at all costs

[onenote]

89. Since Sanders goal was to win California to help his case with SDs

Why does it matter that she was proclaimed the presumptive nominee last night instead of at 8:30 tonight (after NJ is called).

Bernie's strategy and his need for California votes is no different because of the announcement last night. So why are his supporters bailing out on him? Did they not understand the strategy? Were they just fairweather supporters?

[MyNameGoesHere]

62. Sanders had issues getting people to vote period

That's why he is 3 million votes and a bunch of delegates short,. However now we have a reason why they didn't vote, it's Clinton's fault.

[NCTraveler]

66. "If Bernie loses California, this is on the HRC campaign "

Damn straight.

[amborin]

68. yes, bec canvassing revealed Bernie had huge support here among all demographics

[NCTraveler]

69. Link to the canvassing numbers. nt.

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. Even if your wild conspiracy theory was true (which it's not)

all it would do is show Hillary to be precisely the kind of political hardballer who could beat Trump, while exposing the Bernie camp as innocent babes in the woods who Trump would eat alive. I mean, listen to yourself: "Hillary was going to lose California big, but now will win because she invented an 'evil' machination to change the result." So Bernie's camp was so dumb and inexperienced to get caught off-guard by this? And we should believe he can beat Trump if he's that naive and innocent.

You really have to make up your mind: either Hillary is a brilliant schemer who can turn elections on a dime, or she is a weak candidate who is unable to win. Which is it? It can't be both.

Either Bernie is the strong candidate who will overpower Trump with his force of good, or he's a vulnerable naif who gets outmaneuvered by political treachery. Which is it? It can't be both.

[amborin]

88. Bernie caught off guard? how do you propose to control the corrupt complicit media?

she is a weak candidate who can only win through these tactics

she was slated to lose CA after she originally had a 63% lead over Bernie

you'll see: if she is the nominee, she will lose the GE

[alcibiades_mystery]

95. Even if your theory is true (it's not) all it shows is that Bernie is too weak to play hardball

You can't have her so strong that she turns California on a dime, but so weak that she loses to Trump. Similarly, Bernie can't be so weak that his support collapses over the AP report, but so strong that he'd stomp Trump in the fall. Your theory is internally inconsistent. It doesn't even make a lick of sense on its own terms.

I don't even think you've been canvassing or heard this stuff, quite frankly. You're just super worried about California so you're making this up as the next excuse for a Bernie loss. Every Bernie loss has some pathetic excuse attached. It's pretty transparent and sad, actually.

[onenote]

73. They must be pretty low information voters or fairweather supporters then.

The reality is that if Sanders voters don't show up today it's entirely on them. Bernie's strategy today is exactly the same as it was yesterday before the announcement. That strategy has two parts:

1. Protest the media's proclamation of Clinton as the presumptive nominee based on pledged delegates and SD commitments. Sanders expected that proclamation to come tonight as soon as NJ was called for Clinton (he has acknowledged she's going to win there). Instead, it came a day early. So he made his protest a day early.

2. Fight to get the biggest wins possible in CA, NM, SD, ND and Montana -- especially in CA -- in order to cut into Clinton's pledged delegate margin (which likely will be over 300 delegates after NJ is called) and use those results and GE polls to try to convince SDs to switch before the convention. Nothing about yesterday's announcement changes that strategy one iota.

Oddly, its the Sanders' supporters that are saying California is now meaningless, even though California is exactly as important as it would have been without last night's announcement.

[Txbluedog]

74. This is the reason Sanders lost

His voters can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. I thought Bernie had a movement? What about going to vote for down ticket candidates that are "progressive" enough? I guess the revolution was only dependent on getting Bernie the nomination.

[warrprayer]

133. Welcome to DU

Hope you've enjoyed your first weeks!

[apcalc]

77. What makes you think her supporters won't stay home too?

And blaming her or her campaign is just ridiculous.

[RandySF]

79. "If Bernie loses California, this is on the HRC campaign

Yeah, because it means Hillary won.

[randome]

98. You're supposed to say that with a bowed head and a frown, I think.

Otherwise, it just looks like you backed a winner, and do you really want to be known for that?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[jalan48]

86. Kabuki elections.

Bernie's message offends those who own the county. He's had his say, now it's time to get back to business!

[stevenleser]

90. I actually agree that this should not have been done. I disagree that its Hillarys fault. Unless...

... you are calling winning too many votes and delegates her fault.

[frazzled]

93. No campaign canvasses on election day

Canvassing is going door to door (or, more atypically, by phone) to gather voter information for IDing supporters. That should have ended weeks ago. On election day, one does phone banking to get already identified supporters out to the polls.

So I'm not even buying your story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

114. Agreed...the OP didn't canvas today and neither did this husband

The whole story is bullshit.

[amborin]

145. how dare you impugn me or my OP! you know zip about canvassing or campaigns

Bernie supporters have been canvassing throughout; my OP was posted Monday but there was also canvassing TODAY ELECTION DAY

[alcibiades_mystery]

146. ROFL

Sure.

[amborin]

147. welcome to ignore

totally bizarre responses but consistent with the other supporters

[amborin]

144. you know NOTHING! first, i posted this yesterday June 6; second THERE WAS CANVASSING TODAY, ALSO

how dare you write such total bs!

canvassing the last week has been GOTV canvassing; we covered every block in California, making repeated visits to voters, including TODAY, ELECTION DAY

[randome]

94. Revolution? Guess not.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[senz]

101. Revolutions take time, as Bernie has said.

He said he's here to launch a revolution, not complete one. Get one started.

But as we both know, unintelligent people always think in simplistic terms of win/lose.

[randome]

106. So all the conspiracy-mongering about Sanders having 'lost' means nothing?

Sanders' supporters spend more time being against someone (Clinton) than they do being for someone (Sanders). His supporters were always his worst enemy.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[senz]

112. No, cheating is cheating. No one likes that.

For most of this primary season, Sanders supporters have sung the praises of our excellent candidate while Hill fans have dive-bombed our happy threads with taunts, jeers, condescension and putdowns.

Only lately have we begun to analyze Hill because many of us think the American people need to know more about her.

You don't need to talk about Bernie and his supporters in the past tense. The Democratic primary is not over.

It feels like I'm being a thousand times nicer and more reasonable than is justified. Funny, that.

[asuhornets]

96. What if Sanders wins? nt

[senz]

100. Neither candidate can win from the primaries. It's too close.

Neither can get 2383 pledged delegates. To have a winner, we will have to wait until the convention when SDs can vote and bring one of the candidates up to 2383.

[senz]

109. Too bad you deleted your comment. I wouldn't have alerted.

It takes quite a bit to make me do that.

But I did want to make sure you understood that no one has won the nomination yet because a candidate needs 2383 delegates to win it.

Neither will reach 2383 before the convention.

And then I complimented you on your concern.

[asuhornets]

113. the majority of 2383 that is needed in 2026.. she short by 200 ish. she should get that tonite.

[senz]

120. She is short by 571 delegates and cannot get that today.

As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.

To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote today and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Since the pledged delegates alone don't confer 2,383, the superdelegate votes at the convention will make up the difference and decide the nomination.

[senz]

97. Deliberate voter suppression.

They were worried about today's primaries.

[dchill]

105. Yep. +1

[JI7]

99. Do they don't care about the Senate and other elections on the ballot ?

[MFM008]

108. This is silly

back in 88 Bush was ahead in the polls expected to win. I walked a mile at least to vote at our towns community center to vote for Dukakis and nothing was going to stop me.
Washington State went for Dukakis, That pleased me personally very much .
NOTHING should stop you from voting.
Quit WHINING and GO VOTE.

[Time for change]

110. And let's not forget that voter suppression has been a hallmark of

these Democratic primaries, from beginning to end. They resort to whatever they have to do to win.

[marlakay]

116. If it makes you feel any better

I just came back from canvassing and all the Bernie folks voted already and said media sucks!

I did meet some Hillary folks we were both nice to each other.

Only one person said no vote and shut door but they looked like type of person who wouldn't normally vote.

[Doctor_J]

119. Now it should be clear to all why the announcement was made before the primaries ended

Some people really did not want California to vote. I wonder if the voter suppression will backfire on the Clintons in November. Lucky she's running against trump.

[tarheelsunc]

121. If Bernie loses California, it's on Bernie's supporters. Period.

If you choose not to vote because the nomination is already sewn up, that's not on the media for reporting the situation. That's on you for thinking your vote only matters if you're voting for a winner.

[Maedhros]

132. If Hillary loses the General Election, it's on Hillary's supporters. Period. [n/t]

[arely staircase]

122. Well she is. As for why one should vote that is up to them.

But regardless of today's vote she has it in the bag. If the media sad otherwise they would be wrong.

[totodeinhere]

123. It's hard to predict what will happen. Perhaps some Clinton supporters won't bother to

vote either since their candidate has it in the bag according to the MSM. In fact I think I remember reading somewhere that the Clinton camp is concerned about that possibility but I don't have a link.

[BobbyDrake]

125. If something you see on the news can make you not vote, then voting is not for you anyway.

Me? I'm out of the country on the day of my primary, but I took steps to get a mail-in ballot ahead of time so my vote got counted. Not even the Atlantic Ocean would keep me from voting, but Bernie supporters get bummed out by a news article? Small wonder that Bernie lost, if those are the kind of ground troops he "inspired."

And the delicious irony is that I had to listen to months of "enthusiasm gap" nonsense, when it turns out that Clinton voters were the most enthusiastic of them all.

[tonyt53]

126. Thank you!

[BobbyDrake]

127. Nothing would stop my vote. NOTHING. And these kids can't go out because they're having a sad.

And it looks like the Sanders campaign isn't going to have enough funds leftover to send out the participation trophies.

[treestar]

141. [phone]

And as pointed out upthread, if they don't care at all about the other races/issues, they are also very shallow voters.

[warrprayer]

130. Smells like David Brock

And money.

[Cheese Sandwich]

135. enraged is a healthy response

[MohRokTah]

136. WAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

[mhatrw]

137. The corporate media is so incredibly desperate to subvert democracy. Why?

Ask yourself why.

[treestar]

139. It's on them if they don't vote

They can still vote, no matter what the media says.

[LexVegas]

140. Psst...Hillary locked it up in March.

[Lord Magus]

142. What's "totally unconscionable" is your dismissal of the voters because you didn't get your guy.

Hillary had already won before this, so stop the conspiracy theories.

[Cheese Sandwich]

143. this will go down in history as one of the all time greatest campaign dirty tricks

Un believable.

Thanks for your volunteering efforts though.

[davidn3600]

148. Gore has been declared the winner in Florida!

Amazing so many people still trust the media with their projections.