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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:58 AM Jun 2016

If it is Clinton V. Trump, she can only win if she doesn't tack to the right.

No one to the right of this party is going to vote for her. Ever.

The only votes HRC can get are people who are either loyal Dems or(if she is creative enough)the sort of people who SHOULD be Dems but have been made unwelcome by the party since 1992 or so.

All the Republicans are going to fall in line for Trump...if Ryan did, none of them will hold out. It's not worth even trying to get votes like that. And it's not worth winning if we go back to the '92 or '96 platforms to do it.

With the left, we can win...if we drive them to Stein or to abstentionism, we can't.

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YouDig

(2,280 posts)
1. Of course people to the right of the party will vote for her.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jun 2016

There are plenty of centrists, people who think like Mike Bloomberg, and she will get a lot of their votes.

msongs

(67,361 posts)
2. she will get the obama vote plus all the new people alienated by trump. that's enough.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:03 AM
Jun 2016

she will win the majority of sanders people, who in the real world are not much like the sanders people on DU

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. She is not going to tack to the right.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jun 2016

You have invented a Hillary to rage against. She is nothing like your side says she is. She stands for virtually everything Bernie does except single payer which Bernie and his revolution can try to get through Congress.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
4. Really, I don't think your predictive/strategic skills are too good.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:06 AM
Jun 2016

I feel you tend to lose sight of the distinction between predictions and preferences and often let your preconceptions bias your analysis.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
9. You win the middle by looking like a leader
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jun 2016

Not by dissing progressives. Most people don't have the left THAT much.

Not sure why you do.

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