2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSince we have a week left: let's practice convincing a Superdelegate to support Sanders
The public voting is wrapping up. For Sanders to win, he'll need ton convince several hundred Superdelegates to support him, notwithstanding the public vote and pledged delegate count.
I have several friends who are Superdelegates, and I know a number of elected officials who are SDs as well. I know their experience and how they think about politics.
You're still insisting the nomination isn't finished. So, what's your most convincing argument to get a Superdelegate to change their mind?
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)For you to say this you are saying Clinton is not smart enough to do opposition research on her opponent but Trump is?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Unlike Sanders, she's been thinking about the need to unify the party after the primary is over.
TimPlo
(443 posts)over his Civil Rights activism was them keeping gloves on? That is what sparked this whole out rage many Sanders supporters have been feeling. Was outright Lie by Rep Lewis and that CNN reporters. It was dirty politics and that was point I decided I would never vote for Clinton. She ran this campaign same as she did back in 2008 using racism vs a black man to try and win over white people.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thinking it's a real winner.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A dumbed down version of Rahm.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)with no help ,like h had.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Though I see clear similarities between he and Rahm. I'll include Brock in there as well. It takes a special person to do what they do. One of the best in history at that position is also one of the worst human beings we have ever seen.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I assume by the time they've resorted to threats and harassment, they've probably tried everything else, right? No rational person actually STARTS OFF the negotiation process like that, right?
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)nt
TimPlo
(443 posts)DNC does not want more voters. With more voters it is hard to get them to follow the bouncing ball around.
LiberalFighter
(50,856 posts)than Clinton did in 2008? Why wasn't voter turnout higher? There were over 8 million more voters in 2008 than this year.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)This is from a year ago, but I doubt if it's changed much.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)brooklynite
(94,489 posts)It does of course show she raise the $1 Billion needed for a Presidential campaign.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)is to use the right wing strategies against them. They wanted corporate sponsored elections? Game on.
Sure, it's not something that any Democrat wants to have as the law of the land, but the only way we can get into a position of power to try and change it (via a liberal supreme court), is to get our nominee into the presidency. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
LiberalFighter
(50,856 posts)Those delegates are people that know what is required to win elections. If they are going to pick between those two lists it will be Hillary's. They are not going to ignore the labor unions either. They will and have in the past worked together.
By the way, those numbers are small compared to the overall campaign.
choie
(4,111 posts)brooklynite
(94,489 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They have tried to direct those comments at you but the fact is your op is perfectly reasonable and asks the big question. How are you going to do what you have been saying you are going to do? They then say the angle you are taking lacks class. It's the definition of projection.
choie
(4,111 posts)proclaim that Sanders supporters are projecting when we call you on your insulting posts. It's so predictable.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Because what is usually expounded here is utter silliness if you really wanted to achieve this.
Telling practical political veterans we should pin everything on six-month-out hypothetical national matchup polls of a candidate who has faced zero big-league RNC attacks is grade school nonsense, as is exaggerating the differences to make Sanders look like the incarnation of leftist common sense while Clinton is portrayed as GWB's ugly more fascist sister. They know better on both counts.
But, given an SD not already jaundiced and hardened by thousands of frothing emails and phone calls sputtering the above, there are cogent arguments that might have (had) a chance.
I'd start with turnout. Clinton's safest blocs will vote D anyway. They could put my name on the ballot as the D and get 90%+ middle aged and above longterm partymember support. Sanders is stronger in bringing in new Ds. Unreliable, low turnout, low downticket impact though they are, they'll vote for him for sure and for her maybe...if they remember. Why not go for the increase in the base rather than the preference of the base that will stay loyal anyway?
I'd follow that he does match up well with Trump but not because of speculative polls. Because of "outsider" (I know, but perception is reality for many) appeal, unvarnished populism, "tell it like it is" connections and the like. Clinton better demonstrates Trump's weaknesses as a hopeless political dunce better than Sanders, but not by as wide a margin as Sanders' better job of matching up with his enthusiasm-driving, energizing and media-friendly strengths.
Then I'd go with policies. Where real differences are noticeable, Sanders' stated current policies do better with voters. Higher minimum wages. Real concrete action on healthcare, aggressive anti- Wall St controls. They are indeed tougher to get politically than Clinton's more modest goals, but the first thing is to win.
Then I would yes bring up the advantage of a candidate free from significant legal/moral/regulatory fragility. Not by parrotting RW fantasies about Clinton belonging in jail or losing clearance etc but by reinforcing how less likely RW obstruction, guaranteed to occur, is to succeed if the POTUS isn't quite as much a sitting duck for non-stop impeachment distractions and already seen as untrustworthy by the electorate.
I'd probably finish by bringing it back to GE votes but this time with Indies. Hypothetical matchups aside, Sanders does better than Clinton with Indies head to head even. We all know most Indies really aren't any such thing, but we know those who are capturable by the D have eschewed the label for some reason or another, and that they have expressed and demonstrated a greater willingness to go for somebody who hasn't been one of the ultimate party insiders for a generation. We keep the Ds anyway; why not go for maximizing the reachable Is?
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)But this is guaranteed to get you FaceTime with them to present your case
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)when there are still so may other delegate votes still to be counted (and parsed in a rational manner between Hillary and Sanders)?
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sounds like the poster is part of a coalition unwilling to support Clinton.
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Bonobo
(29,257 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)"...who's responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people & the theft of billions of dollars from working people. You at the very least should be removed from your position of power & put in prison for life. ... ... ... ... NOW will you consider supporting Sanders?"