I don't care how many supers Bernie hasn't flipped today.

[hellofromreddit]

Supers don't vote today.

[randome]

1. Still math-challenged, I see. The poll of superdelegates is only a snapshot of reality TODAY.

It relates to likelihood. Statistical odds. Does no one in the Sanders campaign know math?

This current snapshot is not likely to change. Has it ever changed this late in a Primary? That should tell you what you need to know.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[hellofromreddit]

2. I'm a big boy, I can handle your attitude all day.

But you'd better straighten up if you think snide bullshit like that is going to benefit you in the GE. You're in a big hurry to call yourself a winner, so act like it.

Just some friendly advice.

[randome]

10. No hurry at all. I don't even particularly like Clinton. She's too old. So is Sanders.

And I know that's uncool to say but I truly don't mean any insult by it, it's just that neither one of our candidates seems as fluid, as vibrant as Obama, and I kind of got used to him.

But...math. Probability statistics. Clinton is clearly our next President. We should be celebrating the extreme likelihood that Trump is about to detonate inside the GOP cave and Clinton will help bring us closer to controlling Congress.
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[kayakjohnny]

11. Whoa! That was nice!

[Beartracks]

28. Still calendar-challenged, I see.

Does no one in the Hillary camp know calendars?



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[MohRokTah]

3. Pledged delegates don't either. eom

[brettdale]

4. but

When the supers say, we wont change our minds, then Bernie should get
the message.

Hes kinda like the nerd in every TV show, who always asks out the hot chick, always get
rejected, but keeps asking.

[demwing]

18. People's lives are at stake - this isn't a god damned TV show

unbelievably juvenile post

[mac56]

32. What grade are you in?

[baldguy]

5. If an SD says they're supporting Clinton every time they get asked about it, for months

What makes you believe they'd switch all of a sudden? What makes you think any of the 573 supporting Clinton are lying?

[hellofromreddit]

7. I did not claim that. You're arguing a straw man.

[baldguy]

9. For Sanders' SD flipping strategy to work

it requires that the SDs are lying when they say they support Clinton. There's no evidence that's the case. Therefor it's perfectly reasonable to include them in the delegate totals.

It's not a "straw man" just because you can't present valid argument against it.

[hellofromreddit]

12. I said nothing about Sanders' plan. I only said I don't care about supers today.

You're still arguing against a claim I never made. That's why it's a straw man.

FWIW, I don't think Bernie actually plans to go about flipping supers. He's keeping the campaign running until the convention and pointing out a possible avenue of success (no matter how small) is a part of that. I certainly don't expect a bunch of supers to flip--establishment democrats have shown time and again that they'll circle the wagons no matter what. This time is no different. Maybe if the mythical FBI indictment comes down they'll flip, but even then I seriously doubt it.

But as I said in my OP, I don't really give a shit today. I'm simply pushing back against the tide of garbage the trolls are spamming this place with.

[baldguy]

14. Bullshit. The title of your OP is "I don't care how many supers Bernie hasn't flipped today."

That's Sanders' plan. And it's based on lies told by Sanders.

Unfortunately for him, the world will go on in spite of his lies.

[hellofromreddit]

16. Very well. Spoon feeding it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512150889
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512150979
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512151280

[baldguy]

17. You need it.

1) Sanders' Grand Strategy to steal the nomination from Clinton is to get SDs to flip their support to him.

2) As each of the links you so graciously provided indicate, he has so for been entirely unsuccessful in doing so.

3) The whole argument that "SDs don't vote until July 26, so no fair counting them" is based entirely on the presumption that they will flip. And is total bullshit, because of point #2, and he's not likely to flip any in the next month since he has nothing to offer them.


Sanders lost. Time to put your big kid pants on & deal with it.

[Vattel]

19. Clinton tried to flip superdelegates too.

[baldguy]

22. And just like everything else, she's been successful at it when Sanders hasn't.

Just one more way Bernie lost.

[Vattel]

25. um, no she failed to flip any. Several flipped to Obama though.

[baldguy]

29. Sanders’ Quest for Superdelegates Loses One After Virgin Island Official Flips to Clinton

30 sec with the Google machine:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-17/sanders-quest-for-superdelegates-loses-one-after-virgin-island-official-flips-to-clinton

Pay attention. Clinton won. Sanders lost.

[Vattel]

31. Um, that doesn't contradict anything I have said. But I am glad you can google.

[baldguy]

33. "She failed to flip any..."

She flipped at least one, which is one more than Sanders. And puts the lie to your post.

[Vattel]

34. Geez, I was talking about what she did in 2008, trying to win by flipping superdelegates.

You know, the same thing that all you Clinton supporters are complaining about Sanders doing. She was trying to flip superdelegates after Obama had clinched the majority of pledged delegates.

[baldguy]

35. 2008 is history. I'm talking about today.

Clinton has won by any metric you'd care to look at. Sanders has lost by every metric you'd care to mention.

[Vattel]

37. The history is relevant given all the whining by Clinton supporters

about Sanders trying to flip superdelegates.

And yes, Clinton will win because she will get a majority of the delegates.

[baldguy]

38. The correct spelling is "winning"...

Or, more accurately "won" since it regards something that has already occurred & is finished.

[lancer78]

24. And she failed.

Because Obama was leading in the pledged delegate count.

[Vattel]

26. not just leading, he had already clinched a majority.

[geek tragedy]

6. no delegates vote before the convention. Clinton becomes the presumptive nominee tonight.

Sanders has no hope of being the nominee.

None.

Stannis Baratheon is more likely to sit on the Iron Throne than Bernie is to being the Democratic nominee.

[Raster]

8. So, you are not ruling out Blood Magick?

[geek tragedy]

20. I adhere to the old gods. nt

[upaloopa]

13. Pledged don't vote today either

After tonight Bernie will have to flip around 400 to 500 supers because he will be that far behind in pledged delegates.

It just isn't going to happen and that will be made known soon.

[Tarc]

15. #berniemath, soon to go the way of the Whigs and the Flat Earthers

The superdelegates who have endorsed Hillary already will be counted today.

[workinclasszero]

23. But...but..

[bigwillq]

21. Barring death or disaster, it's highly unlikely the SDs will flip

today, next week or next month.

Hillary is highly likely the DEM nominee. And she should be.

[AmBlue]

27. Could not agree more. nt

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[Dem2]

36. Well, she just surpassed the pledged majority

So, it's all over.