Judging by the OP's, the Party Unity Plan (aka PUP) of DUers is not brilliant.

[merrily]

What's a Bernie supporter to do?

[msongs]

1. depends on if you are/are not going to vote for the party nominee if it is hillary clinton. nt

[merrily]

4. Actually, no. Many of the OPs are intentionally nasty, no matter who Bernie supporters

plan to vote for

But, now that you brought it up, given your posts, I cannot help but wonder for whom you'll be voting in November.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1916451

[joshcryer]

11. See.

Coming from a host of DUs largest hate group and a mod over at a Clinton hate site? Cry me a river.

[merrily]

12. Um, I was a host of Bernie Group for about four days last year. And a protected group is different.

All you need to do to know that is read in some of the other protected groups.

But you knew that.

[joshcryer]

14. A literal Clinton hate site.

Please. Sanders fake supporters are just upset they will have to be normal humans for a few fucking months. Big deal.

[merrily]

18. Um, not a host there, either. Not responsible for every post there or here.

Any more tall tales you want to tell about me?

Got a particular post of mine that you have a complaint about, or are you just all about smearing right now?

[joshcryer]

20. Oh, my bad.

Guess you're not as close to the cabal as I thought.

I refuse to be associated with hate groups or sites, thanks.

[merrily]

21. WTF? And as far as your own associations, LOL! nt

[Ken Burch]

16. Why do you think arrogant posts like that help?

Nothing that happened in these primaries entitles you to talk down to people like that.

For the sake of your own candidate's best interests, please just don't post anything more tonight.

Take your pointless bitterness to bed.

[merrily]

22. Did you happen to see Reply 4?

[Barack_America]

2. Nothing until November.

And maybe nothing then.

All of the sudden declarations from progressives on this site that they'll support her, with still no confirmation that she'll support them, is frankly disappointing.

The progressive agenda will need to be fought for tooth-and-nail, it will not be given, particularly by a candidate such as Clinton.

[merrily]

6. The declarations may or may not be sincere and the declarants may or may not be liberals.

[Blue_Adept]

48. I've been told I'm a fake liberal quite a few times

So it's par for the course for some around here to throw that accusation around.

[ancianita]

42. Declarations are expressions of good faith in the interests of winning November. I myself

will take my political cue from Bernie's response to how inclusive of progressives the party does/doesn't become in November. The General will reveal a lot, too.

And I'll act accordingly. Don't expect cynicism or defeatism from progressives. They got stuff to do with or without this party.

But once Clinton -- who'll be forced, at worst, to make agreements that turn the party left -- can get in place more energetic congressional party whips (Durbin, ugh) after downticket wins, I have to give her the benefit of a doubt that she'll sign every bit of progressive legislation headed by a woman that comes across her desk.

Give the various reactions a break.

[Xipe Totec]

3. PUP in Mexico has a different meaning

Partido Único de Pendejos.




"La PUP ha sido fundada con la noble meta de contribuir a crear un ambiente saludable en el diario vivir, exhortando a sus miembros a la plena aceptación de su pendejez."

(Translation)

The PUP has been founded with the noble goal of contributing to create a healthy environment in daily living, exhorting its members to plainly accept their stupidity.

[merrily]

10. Then again, in Mexico "pup" does not mean baby doggie.

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[VulgarPoet]

54. I'm stealing this. nt

[HooptieWagon]

5. Go where the climate suits our clothes.

Camp Weathervane's 'unity' effort is laughably incompetent and insincere. I check in from time to time to laugh at their pitiful efforts, but probably spend more time at JPR...that's where all the interesting and thought-provoking posters are gathering.

[merrily]

24. Don't know why, but that make me think of think of this.

Assumed it was a Beach Boys song. My bad!

[joshcryer]

7. Follow Bernie's example and tell Clinton naynaynahs to fuck off.

But most Sanders people here are not his supporters.

[merrily]

26. Still flailing on a mild, "change the tone" thread, josh? Good for you!

[AuntPatsy]

77. You can support someone by voting or aiding them to accomplish thier agendas but you should

never have complete faith in any person, and it's not up to them to demand someone act accordingly ignoring thier personal beliefs, it's up to the individuals desire to express themselves,

I'm not a puppet, no one is, if we were we'd all end up with freakishly long snouts, it's best to avoid that horror....

[joshcryer]

79. This use how I know the support is fake.

You'll fight to the convention if he does, you'll Bern Philly, but God be damned if he supported Clinton like a normal decent human would do.

You want him to be more power hungry than Clinton was in 2008, less ethical, whole nine yards.

[aikoaiko]

8. They have to get it out of their systems.

[merrily]

27. Understandable. It's been there since I registered.

[ancianita]

9. Let it unfold. Take a break until the convention. Ahead, there's a maniac to beat.

[merrily]

28. The bile spreaders are the ones who seem to need a break, not I. Thanks, anyway.

[ancianita]

30. Oh, I know you don't. But you asked, "what's a Berner to do," so I suggested.

Bile spreaders live off that, anyway. They'll never take a break, so everybody just take a break from them.

[merrily]

31. That was part rhetorical question, part parody.

[ancianita]

33. I always forget about your penchant for irony.

[merrily]

34. Most other DUers who enjoyed making people smile and laugh are no longer here.

[ancianita]

35. Cuz politics ain't beanbag. Thanks for sticking around.

[merrily]

36. I had the choice (so far, but the target is evident). Not all of them did. But DU ain't politics.

It's part message board, part kabuki, part propaganda mechanism, part pay per post, part addiction, part delusion, part_________________________
Fill in the blank

[ancianita]

39. I'd fill in "sincerity" and "good argument" and "history."

[merrily]

40. And I'd mock that, esp. sincerity.

[ancianita]

41. Yep. You would. Merrily cynical. Oh well.

[merrily]

43. Not cynical on the sincerity part. Just observant. Also, I take Brock at his word.

Well on this one thing, I do.

[Fairgo]

78. The word 'cynical' has got a bad rap

cynical means "dog like" in that way of sniffing the roses and smelling the piss that is behind the pretty image. A little cynicism is good for the soul.

[Renew Deal]

13. You should lead by example

[merrily]

15. I am. You?

[Renew Deal]

17. Trying

[merrily]

19. Cool.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. Lots of third parties out there...*I AM ADVOCATING NONE OF THEM*

But, as a factual statement, lots of third parties out there.

[merrily]

25. Only one on the left that is even semi-well known, though.

It may do better this November than it has the last few elections, but you never know. I don't like making predictions.

My analysis skills and memory are not the worst, but I totally stink at reading minds and crystal balls. Most people do. I admit it and try to act accordingly. Many posters do neither.

[noiretextatique]

29. Do what's best for the country

Whatever you believe that to be. Independents have more voters than D's or R's. As an Independent....

[merrily]

32. Seeing you is always a pleasure, noiretextatique.

I wish the occurrence were more frequent.

(occurrence: first word I got wrong in a spelling bee. Corrected myself instantly, but that was against the rules).

[senz]

37. Why would anyone want to "unite" with taunting, jeering, ridiculing, sneering, insulting

entities that are incapable of any conversation more profound than repeating the score ad infinitum?

[merrily]

38. Always remember, the Japanese to English translation of "kabuki" is "politics" AND

I can't say that I recommend voting for President on the basis of how the supporters of any candidate behave, most especially those online who may or may not actually support the candidate they claim to support.

[NCTraveler]

44. I have seen Sanders supporter after Sanders supporter say they will vote for Clinton.

Here is a simple test. Any poster who has seriously promoted HA Goodman will not be voting for Clinton. It's absurd to think a group sounding like Goodman wants unity. Those falling in that category should be removed from your thoughts of unification. I'm seeing unification. It will not be one hundred percent.

[seabeyond]

45. Take personal responsibility in their positions and necessity of keeping a Democrat in office.

I have not quibbled at all that I do not like Sanders any longer, nor respect him. The supporters certainly have been nasty to us, and Clinton and Democrats as a whole, real Democratic heroes. They do not factor into my voting decisions.

Just not a hard one for me to figure out. Not only would I easily go vote, I can easily list out why it would be important to vote for Sanders.

Merrily, it is on you. Not our responsibility for your choices.

[merrily]

46. Which part of your "reply" addresses the OP's that were on the board last night?

And what exactly is on me? The OP's Hillary supporters post? No, they are not.

I have not asked anyone else to be responsible for my choices. No clue what you're on about.

[seabeyond]

62. My reply with the Op is they are irrelevant. Your vote, your responsibility. I thought that clear.

[merrily]

63. If you don't want to deal with what the OP is about, then you really ought not reply.

The OP is not about my vote and I have less than zero problem with my vote anyway. To the contrary, I'm proud of how I've voted.

Perhaps Reply 50 will help you.

[seabeyond]

69. Not a lot in the OP. Clinton people aren't giving you Sanders supporters what you want.

What are you to do?

Take responsibility of your own vote. I say for the third time instead of dependent on others.

[merrily]

72. Guess you did not read Reply 50, so you are still clueless repeating nonsense non sequiturs.

FYI I don't want or expect diddly from HIillary supporters.

[seabeyond]

73. You mean, you expect me to read the whole thread to know what the fuck you are talking about, lol.

My bad. You are right. I did not read your reply to some other poster. Like I care enough to respond the fourth time.

[merrily]

74. Yet you did respond again.

And Reply 50 is not the whole thread. Asked you twice to read it in the hope you would finally get what the fuck the OP was about. However, apparently, you'd rather keep posting without knowing what you're talking about. Here's a thought: If you can't grok the OP and won't read the post that might help you grok it, then either don't start posting on the thread or stop posting on it.

[seabeyond]

75. Ya... kinda tickled my bones you thought I ought to find the answers among your posts in the thread

rather than an Op we are replying to.

That ole personal responsibility again. Ah ha, such an hoot.

[merrily]

76. Um, for the third time, I asked you to read reply 50 to clarify. That's one post, not the thread.

You're the only one who did not understand the OP, so I tried to help you by pointing you to reply 50. You don't understand the OP, you won't read reply 50, and you won't stop embarrassing yourself by posting nonsense, but I'm the one who has no personal responsibility?

Go ahead, be my guest. reply lots more to an OP you don't understand.

[vintx]

47. Thankfully, elsewhere on the net, it's mostly RWers trashing Bernie & his supporters, not otherDems.

The Dems I've encountered in other online places are not trashing him, or his supporters.

They're not whining about boos. They're not bellyaching about their hurt feelings.

What I've seen on other sites have been calm appeals for unity, and I've seen no angry, lecturing responses when their pleas are met with anger.

Because they are not idiots, or trolls, or Brock's paid puppets. They're actual dems / progressives who actually care about their country.

I come here, though, and I see a post from a longtime DUer (not a troll) saying he's going to send money to help primary Bernie.

So, you ask, what's a Bernie supporter to do?

[merrily]

50. Well, vintx, here's the reality. When I posted this thread last night, the latest threads page

was full of very nasty posts about Bernie and his supporters, mostly Bernie, IIRC. This thread was, as I stated upthread, intended to break the very ugly mood I thought those OP's were creating. (Meanwhile, in the Bernie Group, one poster after another was saying goodbye because of how ugly it was.)

As far as asking what's a Bernie supporter to do, that was intended as a gentle parody of an OP posted in, um, some protected group or other asking "What's a Hillary supporter to do? The thrust of the OP was that Bernie supporters were preventing Hillary supporters from working toward party unity.

[vintx]

52. Glad I didn't visit last night.

And it sounds like someone is preparing some excuses for when their candidate doesn't fare as well as they'd assumed.

[Codeine]

49. Probably not base their vote on the behavior of an intarwebz

message board? Because only a seriously sad person would allow themselves to be influenced by something that silly and inconsequential.

[PoliticAverse]

51. Don't let the trolls and the stupid determine what you do. n/t

[sufrommich]

53. Anybody who takes internet forums as a bellweather

for the real world is going to be really disappointed when they find it has little to do with real life.

[merrily]

55. A wet raven seldom flies at night.

As long as we're "replying" in non sequiturs.

The OP is about DU specifically the OPs that were on DU last night. It has zero to do with taking DU as a bellwether for real life.

[azurnoir]

56. It is what it is and IMO it's an example of what Progressives can expect in the future

[djean111]

57. I am not going to get my hatred of war and fracking and cluster bombs and the TPP and

Third Way slashing of social programs and increased H-1B visas and no to single payer and no to Wall Street regulation and lies (and other things Hillary proudly stands for) "out of my system".

No matter how prettily worded the "Bernie But" avowal is made.

[merrily]

58. Fair enough.

[SidDithers]

59. I think many Bernie supporters at DU have made it abundantly clear...

that they're in the #NeverHillary camp.

Why would supporters of the Democratic nominee spend any time or energy engaging those who will never vote for Hillary anyway?



Sid

[merrily]

60. Question is, if your candidate is the nominee, why spend so much time posting ugly things about

the candidate who is no threat to your candidate? And the DUers who support him?

And then bemoan how Bernie supporters are thwarting all your efforts to seek party unity? Because those were the OPs all over the board last night. I don't know where you see me asking Hillary supporters to engage me.

Here maybe this will explain. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2157563

[SidDithers]

61. Because so many ugly things are posted about the nominee...

and people like to make sure that shit flows both ways.

Sid

[merrily]

66. Fine. Then don't pretend that you just can't figure out what to do about party unity.

(meaning generic "you," not siddithers)

[All in it together]

80. What a crappy way of thinking

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. Always vote for principle..and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

[merrily]

65. Funny thing is, I always thought I was voting for principle or I would not have voted as I did.

When I was 4, my father's behavior imprinted on my that he thought Democrats' winning elections was vital. My father was very smart, but not a sophisticated or well education. So, when I saw him THAT concerned, I knew on some visceral level that it was about the well-being of his family, not some abstract principle. In college, the discussions I had with my classmate confirmed: vote Democratic.

Then, I started posting on message boards and learned about the DLC.

I don't have to grapple too hard about my votes, though. I live in Boston.

I do grapple with donating and otherwise supporting, though. Who gets that stuff? Obama in 2008 (before I learned about the DLC) and Sanders in 2016 and until he says stop.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

68. I no longer grapple with my vote.

I live in Washington and my vote will have absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. I've voted in 22 federal elections over the years and that has been true no matter who ran, what party they belonged to, or where I lived.

Now, it seems to me foolish to abjure my principles for the "lesser of two evils" or "party unity".

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

[LanternWaste]

67. Act in such a manner he expects of everyone else.

Act in such a manner he expects of everyone else.

Everything else is secondary, and are variations on excuses.

[merrily]

71. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2157563

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2154794

[hrmjustin]

70. I hope we all look past all of our faults and quickly get it out of our systems.