2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumInside the bitter last days of Bernie's revolution
Theres no strategist pulling the strings, and no collection of burn-it-all-down aides egging him on. At the heart of the rage against Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, the campaign aides closest to him say, is Bernie Sanders.
It was the Vermont senator who personally rewrote his campaign managers shorter statement after the chaos at the Nevada state party convention and blamed the political establishment for inciting the violence.
He was the one who made the choice to go after Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz after his wife read him a transcript of her blasting him on television.
He chose the knife fight over calling Clinton unqualified, which aides blame for pulling the bottom out of any hopes they had of winning in New York and their last real chance of turning a losing primary run around.
And when Jimmy Kimmels producers asked Sanders campaign for a question to ask Donald Trump, Sanders himself wrote the one challenging the Republican nominee to a debate.
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But more than any of them, Sanders is himself filled with resentment, on edge, feeling like he gets no respect -- all while holding on in his head to the enticing but remote chance that Clinton may be indicted before the convention.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041
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Excellent read on backstage at Camp Sanders.
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Who knows what stunts he may pull next week? He's proving to be a very loose cannon, much like the Repub. challenger, the Talking Yam.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Yupster
(14,308 posts)Everyone s flailing around for a way to turn things around.
People turn on each other and start to find ways to cover their own butts from blame.
Same with a losing sports team or army.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And supports CA US Senator Diane Feinstein's view: "Bernie is hard to make friends with."
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ExtraGriz
(488 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)He would have used the power of the presidency to pay back those who failed to support him sufficiently.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)I would hate to see him use presidential power to pay back people who have crossed him.
atomingai
(71 posts)a tough challenge, but right now it's about keeping his word. In victory or defeat, a man should always finish what he's started and honor his promise.
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)mentality that is on display in those bogus hides.
No profanity, no personal insults--just pertinent critiques of The Sainted One. Unbearable for the truly devoted.
BuddhaGirl
(3,602 posts)I think she really hates Hillary and was really pushing Bernie to go negative against her, and to continue to press on after the math emerged showing the impossibility of a win.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I've really felt like liberal leftists like myself and many others needed his voice. You may disagree, but many of us don't and are very thankful for everything he's done.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...and there was no way they were going to let Lieutenant Columbo spoil their plans. It didn't matter what he said or did. There was a concerted effort on the part of the DNC and media outlets to make him invisible. This country of ours has a real big problem with leftists and we saw it first hand with how Bernie was treated.
He wasn't talking about building walls, starting wars or sending people back to their countries or not letting people in. He talked of universal health care and college. He talked about expanding medicare and social security. He talked about getting filthy money out of our corrupt political system and bringing power back to the people. To liberals, and any sane compassionate person, these would all seem like phenomenal ideas, and even if we couldn't afford them, the conversation should have revolved around "how can we find a way to make these ideas a reality?"
Instead so many of you called him a crazy sad old man, made insinuations that he was a racist, sexist and any other nefarious -ist you can think of. And it wasn't just the candidate you attacked. Many of you and the media brought those charges against his supporters as well. Bernie supporters I met in my travels knocking on doors in several states and phone banking were of the hippie variety; vegans, vegetarians, pacifists, people that may have played frisbee golf. You know what I mean? Yet in the media and even here insinuations were made that his supporters were violent, sexist and racist. That was the gamble your side shouldn't have made.
Attack the candidate? Sure, because that's what happens in a campaign. But the constant attacks on the supporters was a bridge too far. I would guess that 99% of us would never vote for Trump even though comparisons between Bernie's supporters and Trump's were made daily. No, we'll either sit out the process entirely or vote our conscience and vote Green Party. I can live with voting Green Party, not only because in MA I don't have to worry about the outcome of the election, but because I see no difference between HRC and Trump beside the obvious differences.
So, I would say that the decision to constantly attack Bernie's supporters daily was a pretty bad decision that the HRC camp will pay a big price for. And THAT is what I would call a "not very good return on investment."
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I don't know what the percentages will be after the AP Fucked Primaries yesterday, but somewhere between the high 30's and 45 percent voted against Clinton and for Sanders. In some states her margin of victory was very narrow.
No not enough to "win" but a sizable percentage that you ignore and insult at your peril if you care about the upcoming election or the long range future.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)She won. Maybe it was not a good idea to hurl sexist insults at Sen Feinstein and Sen. Boxer.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)I have never understood how you guys think Bernie could win the GE when he can't win a primary.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I'll be back for the convention. Time for me to take a break from this place.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)and sorry, he doesn't get to take my vote away from me. I have no problem staying until the end, but no, my vote mattered...she won...you will not take my vote away.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Trying to convince SD's who made their decision long before any votes were cast is what that system is set up to do. The SD system sucks, but it is what it is. Bernie didn't invent it.
He won't succeed in changing their minds -- unless something unforeseen happens. But objectively speaking, the SDs who represent states or districts that voted for Sanders are also negating their votes.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)and you still don't get to take away the 3-4 million votes more HRC...sorry, get over it...I'm not trying to be ugly, but no, this will not happen.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Saying Hillary and Trump are the same only shows that you haven't been paying attention to politics or that you are so blinded by your devotion to Bernie that you can't see the truth. The SCOTUS difference alone would affect this country for a generation.
atomingai
(71 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)Why did Sanders blatantly lie to supporters by telling them there was a viable path these past 2 months?
He lied so many times during his campaign.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Because if he dialed back the rhetoric a little bit and worked harder at the persuasion game, he might have won. It's the nature of politics. You need to make the base larger to win the big elections.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)And sadly will get a 1%er corporate slop wallowing POTUS (HRC or Trump) but the genie is out of the bottle, and movement will continue to gain momentum.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)-money out of politics
-neocon warmongers out of the state dept.
-corporations out of the lawmaking process
-placing value on education by extening K12
-basic right to health care
-none
(1,884 posts)-Honest elections.
With honest elections, Hillary would have been an also ran drop out months ago.
This country has not had any real honest national elections since at least from 2000 and maybe before.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Bernie lost because the majority of voters wanted Hillary, not because the elections were somehow rigged against him.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Yes, there were problems, some due to incompetence of officials and some due to voter ignorance. However, none of those problems had any significant impact on the race. No massive numbers of delegates would have switched from Hillary to Bernie and thus the dynamics and outcome of the race would no have changed.
Again, no one is denying that problems didn't exist. However, the extent of the problems' impact on the race is being substantially overstated by some of Bernie's supporters. The problems may make an easy excuse, especially since most people are unable to quantify their effect; but they had a negligible effect on the elections. They certainly would not have pushed Clinton from the race months ago. People need to come to grips with that reality.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Remember the Reagan Revolution?....That was a political revolution in which a party pressed for fundamental changes in direction and succeeded.
We need a similar revolution in the opposite direction.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)booed by his crowd, I've changed my mind.
BRING IT ON!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)followers to boo the very name of Hillary.
He did not even congratulate her for winning the majority of PLEDGED delegates, much less mark the historic nature of her victory.
What a classless schmuck.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)and I've kicked and rec'd every last one.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)of the voting system through your mindless gloating and snide derisions and negative hit pieces.
Celebrate without casting shade.
Shallow demands for premature respect, and mean spirited judgments about millions in your own party are not classy.
Let the man and party supporters get on with forcing your candidate to face the reality of changing party structure to represent the interests of the 99%, knowing that it's for your benefit.
Think you yourselves can show that kind of class?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)How about the basic rules of courtesy and comity in the political arena? Completely flouted by your fearless leader.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)It's not a fucking tea party. It's a presidential PRIMARY.
9 hides in 90 days.
That tells everyone here a lot about how you support fellow Democrats.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)mentality that is on display in those bogus hides.
No profanity, no personal insults--just pertinent critiques of The Sainted One. Unbearable for the truly devoted.
As for fellow Democrats, I support them fully.
Libertarians, anarchists, revolutionary socialists, opportunistic independents?? Not so much.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)is, and how 'hide' people flip from bully to victim over their hides.
You display all the worst behaviors of a party that needs to unite.
Back off with the cheap mean girl act and let the process unfold until November.
Get over yourself. Try to be informative and helpful rather than snarky.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Do you always butt in with unnecessary hecktoring, or is today special?
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)I will.
Stay fluffy on your pony.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Daring to say anything negative about old what's his name.
WhiteTara
(29,703 posts)is reached, the primary is over. You need to learn the rules. I'm not "casting shade" but the primary is over. We need to focus on the real opponent.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)As far as I'm concerned, he's fair game until June 16.
Sid
Beacool
(30,247 posts)He's always been an ideologue, his way or the highway. The talking heads are mentioning the difference between both speeches tonight. Hillary made history, yet she was classy enough to devote a few minutes of her speech to Sanders. Both she and her supporters were gracious. What a difference when it came to his speech and the response it got from his supporters when Hillary's name was mentioned.
How relevant he remains going forth will depend on what he'll do in the general election to help the party, the nominee and the down ticket candidates.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Gothmog
(145,128 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Not an inspiring or reassuring picture.
melman
(7,681 posts)Because that's what you want to see.
Demsrule86
(68,543 posts)What case can he make to the Supers? He lost California by double digits...and cherry picked polls won't work. I doubt he can deliver his voters and I would give him what he already has and nothing more. If he thinks he will be VP or pick a VP...it won't happen...he berned his bridges.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)worst intuitions about the Bern.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)confirms your own shallow judgment about what this party should become.
Your posts are cheap hits full of hearsay.
You're so classless.
The worst kind of winner.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Winner, shwinner...the Bern's character flaws are there on full display, win, lose or draw.
As for "classnessless", you would know about that.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)the worst kind of loser: a sore one.
I agree, he is a bitter man making threats he can't cash anyway. Cut his committee assignments.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)How is he different from Trump?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)brooklynite
(94,501 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Tad Devine may never live this debacle down.
I think he can pack up his "campaign play books" and head for forced retirement.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)They are attempting to exit the sinking ship with reputations intact, hoping to get jobs with another campaign. If Sanders goes to the convention after the losses last night, it makes them all look so bad. There is losing and there is losing ugly. Clinton was not pretty herself in 2008, but she dialed it back at the last moment. Not sure if Sanders has the self-discipline for that.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Nor, the intelligence, I might add.
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)Political fights are normal. At the end usually all candidates come together for the greater good. I really thought he would do that last night. I have no words but...stunned.
As Salon points out, his belligerence is an "act of political narcissism".
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)And, his wife very irresponsibly goaded him on in his lunacy. "They're still with you..."
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)I think a lot of his belligerence starts with her
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)It gives her a sense of power to be able to influence him, especially to "stick it to the man".
I'm convinced that she's the real "power behind the throne", and is the truly ambitious one in the partnership.
He was pretty much a wanna-be until she helped him launch his state-wide political career.
Nasty in-fighter and back-stabber, from observing her in her surrogate role.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)and a very poor excuse for a "revolutionary."
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)As Hillary would say: "He is tempermentally UNFIT to be the Commander-in-Chief."
livetohike
(22,138 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)brooklynite
(94,501 posts)Senate Minority Leader Harry Reids call was part advice, part asking a favor, urging Sanders to use his now massive email list to help Democratic Senate candidates. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin was the most obvious prospect, and Reid wanted to make introductions to Iowas Patty Judge and North Carolinas Deborah Rossto help Democrats win the majority, but also to give Sanders allies in making himself the leader of the Senate progressives come next year.
Reid, according to people familiar with the conversation, ended the discussion thinking Sanders was on board. He backed Feingold. But thats the last anyone heard.
Word got back to Reids team that Weaver had nixed the idea, ruling out backing anyone who hadnt endorsed Sanders. Weaver says its because the Senate hopefuls had to get in line for Sanders support behind top backers like Gabbard and Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.)though neither has a competitive race this year.
Sanders never followed up himself.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041#ixzz4AzhTdnfv
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)He is quoted all over that article
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)been frustrated with Sanders for awhile.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)They both love the attention, so, a collaborative work
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)The part about Sherrod Brown sounded like Weaver.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It may have been his way to get out a message that those bad decisions that hurt Sanders were Sanders own idea.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)So he knew what to do. Devine has still never had a high profile role on a winning presidential campaign.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)That was the part that raised my eyebrows. Specifically, when Brown endorsed Hillary, Sanders decided to do all that he could do to prevent his fellow progressive and close ally in the Senate from being offered the V.P spot on a Clinton ticket.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Sounds just like the creep Hillary will defeat in the general huh?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)pressbox69
(2,252 posts)just so sad.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)deceit. but other than that (!) most of us are fired up & ready to go to the contested convention to support bernie. see you there!