2016 Postmortem
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Good grief. This is way way way boring. I am way over this primary. Please just stop and don't talk about taking it to Philly. I just want this over. I won't say this is an ego trip of epic proportions. I won't.
merrily
(45,251 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Anyone who wants to splinter the Left as the Right is now imploding under the weight of Tea Party favorite is beyond shortsided to totally blind.
merrily
(45,251 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)That is the Democratic Way. And you need a certain number to win. She doesn't have it which gets us to a floor fight. This is how a Democracy works. End of Story. (and for the whoever has the most votes should win. hey for the most part they didn't count the Caucus States in those vote counts. So he could easily be winning the popular vote. Just stating the facts. Thats not opinion. You go to the states that caucus and ask for the vote totals.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's not running against her anymore.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)A concession is the right thing to do.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)trying to win the nomination when he cannot win the majority of pledged delegates I'm totally against it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But he can have influence right now by working with the party. There will never be more leverage than now. It lessens by the day.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)working class people and the poor. The democratic party fights for white collar workers not blue collar workers.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He wants to take us back to when shit was jacked up for many of us. His focus is too narrow and he was not interested in learning about the modern coalition. The far left is unreliable and the white working class votes republican. The democratic party fights for those who form our coalition best because we do the everyday work and are reliable. Hard to fight for groups that vote for republicans and spit in our faces when we offer a hand.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)POC taken care of too. That's not coming from Hillary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)No plan will get to us as needed without that. I said that last July. That is why he failed with most of us. We old. We heard that shit before. We hear more of what he did not say than wht he did say. He aint said nothing new.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)I think he went after Obama in the wrong way, but he was right. Obama needed to fight harder for the poor.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Real shit. Bernie has hella words that sound good. But words are wind, we all know that. Somebody else will come talking that same shit and the college age voters will be all enraptured and you will be like, :eyeroll:, I heard all this shit before.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Keith Ellison will fight hard.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Let the bad blood simmer between his camp and us black folks. I really kinda thought he would say something at some point since he was into civil rights. He's just a talker. I actually trust Brither West more than him on racial justice and love Ellison. But Bernie needs to step back and not let it be about him but the ideas.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)feel it was right to use it in his campaign. His campaign ended up using it, but he never talked about it.
msongs
(67,405 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He never once said "when I'm president" , or "as president I will" or any words to that effect . Would that be dipping his toes into the bargaining or acceptance pool?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is just tiresome
betsuni
(25,484 posts)"as president Bernie Sanders will."
moriah
(8,311 posts)I posted my thoughts on his speech in the thread about booing Hillary. I think he would have said more if the crowd was actually ready to hear it. They weren't.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I have no doubt.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)zanana1
(6,112 posts)I've been around for a long time and I've seen the Civil Rights movement, the Feminist movement, the Anti-War movement and the LGBT movement.
I will vote for Hillary Clinton, but I'm very much in favor of Bernie's movement. It can't die an early death because of the primaries.
Whatever the outcome may be, we can't allow the movement to die.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)He has every right to take it to Philadelphia.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Strike while the iron is hot
JI7
(89,248 posts)but unofficially you will probably see steps being taken leading to that in the next week.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)The DNC won't let Bernie go up on the stage and campaign for the superdelegates to give him the nomination.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)He actually said that he is going to Philly to fight for his platform. He never mentioned fighting for the nomination at all. Before that he specifically said he is staying in it until the primaries are over, referring to DC.
I think it looks like he is going to stay in it until DC, then get out and endorse Hillary, but tell his supporters that he is still going to "take it to Philly" to fight for changing the platform.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)There will be riots.
Count on it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They are not going to stay there. They want to surround the center and stop all movement into the convention.
What will happen when the crowd jumps the barriers and heads toward the center?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Probably won't make it inside unless they get in by acting normal. Our crowd wont ne letting them run the show and I think we should prepare and get our security plans in place.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)convention arena. And, they will be corralled at a safe distance from the venue.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,906 posts)(that building being in Center City Philly). The actual convention hoopla where delegates gather for the speeches and voting and the primetime news coverage, will be miles away in South Philly at the Wells Fargo Center (where the '76ers and Flyers play).
The Convention Center is hosting some of the platform and other business meetings during the day however.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Nothing.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Hillary will have to pivot right in order to take more votes from the center because the Sanders Left has made it clear they are sitting it out.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Only Klan members, militia types and the terminally stupid are Trump true believers.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)hey will vote Trump because of the (R) and for no other reason.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Many feel that Hillary will pass TPP...Trump will not
This is our bread & butter here .. Many have over 20 yrs in...NAFTA & CAFTA almost killed us....we know that the TPP will.
I know about a dozen UAW democrats that tell me they're voting for Trump.
Poly Sci professors will be speaking of "Trump Democrats" 5-10 years from now.
When democrats tack to the right...voters always choose real republicans over the fake wannabes.
Sad to say...but we did this to ourselves.
These are self inflicted wounds..
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)For-Profit Prisons are loved by Democrats nationwide....GMO's are an environmentalist's dream-come-true!
c'mon...get real
bravenak
(34,648 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)They've declared "Bernie or Bust".
Hillary must make up the votes somewhere.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gotta do what we gotta to to prevent Trump. Go after republican women and centrists and moderates. Gotta defeat Trump all all costs.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Ironic that the entire country moves to the right because the left has to be whiny babies, isn't it?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They really know how to kill a revolution
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)was just disgusting
bravenak
(34,648 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)versus the corporations and plutocrats. You garner all the support you can before you decide on the party platform.
The revolution can't just take a break while Republicans control the House or Senate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The far left will be ignored for a long time if they start stuff at the convention. Just like they lost the 70s and 80s. We are moving back leftwards. Would be dumb to force the party to look to the center for votes. It will move us right again.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)What we need now is a way to get the center to fire House Republicans, so President Clinton can accomplish the agenda Bernie just laid out.
Let's see if he can actually work WITH people to accomplish common goals...
I have my doubts.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Based on the voting it seems not.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Watch and see who the V-P nominee is. Expect a progressive choice.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Not to placate Bernie voters but because Hillary is a progressive.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I see your vow did not last too long.
He clearly was indicating that he is staying till the end, he also gave voice to Unity and Stopping Trump...however that has to be done. Clearly you did not hear the speech or you choose to not hear his edging toward ending his campaign - just not his MOVEMENT.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)remember?
Why so angry? Your candidate won...
Man people here are amazing.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is NECESSARY
dchill
(38,484 posts)And you're taking it. It's not about you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)dchill
(38,484 posts)Any time I can help.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)If it is boring for you just change the channel dear.
Otherwise perhaps it is you that is boring.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)William769
(55,146 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)I have a great deal of confidence in President Obama to talk some sense into Sanders
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Party over principle... this is the bit, HRC and her supporters embrace and what they fail to understand about Bernie's campaign
Simply put, DEM establishment is in uncharted waters, they have NO bearing to guide them... their flailing until convention will be a thing to behold...
'Sore winner' will be the tamest of the adjectives to define them...
Principle matters so much more than party.. and this lesson will hurt... and hurt badly rolling into and through convention but one DEM establishment will learn
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Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)I've been happy to support any of the major Democratic candidates in the general election despite having some issues with all of them, but I've grown quite sour on Senator Sanders as primary season has been winding down. And, it's not about the issues. Every major Republican candidate was able to graciously concede defeat to a man who they cannot stand and who is bringing the GOP down in flames. It does not look good for the Democratic party or Senator Sanders that the same cannot be said for our side. It is not only embarrassing, it actually undermines what I presume to be long-range goals to move the Democratic party on some issues and bring much of the country along. Whatever his intent, it LOOKS petty, it LOOKS graceless, it LOOKS presumptuous, it LOOKS decidedly unbecoming of a person who sought to be President of the U.S. It is also concerning to me that his doing so is making it such that the first female major party nominee for president cannot fully celebrate that historic achievement because someone else is casting a negative shadow over it. People have rightfully pointed out that HRC was taken to task over staying in too long in 2008 when the vote counts were closer. It just does not look good for a progressive candidate running under the umbrella of a party that has nominated the first African-American president and now the likely first female president to be putting a dark cloud over the moment. I get it. The issues matter. The history we are making is worth squat if we don't deal with climate change but, he's going about it in a way that is turning people, who aren't already core supporters, off to the message. The message is important but the messenger matters. How you handle defeat is a important test of one's character, especially that of those on the world stage. I'm sorry to say that I think Senator Sanders is failing that test. And, in doing so, failing in his goal of getting people to focus on issues that are bigger than one particular election cycle. The issues are bigger. Now, Senator Sanders needs to be bigger.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Although, I would really like to see that...it's quite possible that her ego will carry her there.