Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

youceyec

(394 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:08 AM Jun 2016

Very very sad audience reaction at Bernies

When Clinton mentioned BS tonight, her crowd CHEERED LOUDLY. When BS mentioned Hillary, crowd was nasty and BOOOED LOUDLY. Respect for all clearly is not something Bernie or his supporters believe in.

This my friends, is more evidence I made the right choice. Proudly: #ImWithHer

142 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Very very sad audience reaction at Bernies (Original Post) youceyec Jun 2016 OP
We who prefer Bernie generally don't like Hillary. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #1
Booing is rude, bullying behavior. Shame on them and for Bernie to encourage it. riversedge Jun 2016 #4
Oh bullshit. Booing is not bullying.... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #13
It is rude behavior and immature. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #116
We boo lots at Bernie rallies. We boo against the Republican family values. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #25
You've said it well PJMcK Jun 2016 #70
"Whether she really does have the nomination..." CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #104
It's called freedom of speech. Nedsdag Jun 2016 #109
No it isn't, especially at a political rally AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #121
If she's so delicate that a couple people booing far away from her harms her... Scootaloo Jun 2016 #138
Yes, Sanders is the anti Clinton. joshcryer Jun 2016 #12
I'm glad you never tire of posting that meme. Even though the Hillary merrily Jun 2016 #54
I remain a Sanders supporter. joshcryer Jun 2016 #64
You know we can all see your posts, right? merrily Jun 2016 #67
You know several of us Sanders supporters find the "movement" kind of intolerable? Recursion Jun 2016 #75
And that has what to do with not supporting the candidate you claim to support? merrily Jun 2016 #83
That is not true Samantha Jun 2016 #62
The Sanders campaign has achieved great things. joshcryer Jun 2016 #65
+1 merrily Jun 2016 #86
and anti obama and anti dem party JI7 Jun 2016 #71
Politics: your not doing it right MFM008 Jun 2016 #26
Neither are you as you obviously don't understand the fable of sour grapes Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #74
Oh, yes it does apply here. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #125
No, it really doesn't Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #141
But RobertEarl Jun 2016 #30
Screw that "Hillary has to win you". You hate her. Go away and sit out the general with your upaloopa Jun 2016 #53
Yep... Deuce Jun 2016 #59
If no one can "make" someone like a person Haveadream Jun 2016 #57
That's true. Which is why I find the Clinton people who worry about Sanders supporters very strange. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #77
No one can explain to me why Sanders supporters hate bigdarryl Jun 2016 #73
I hate war and fracking and cluster bombs and the TPP and means-testing Social Security djean111 Jun 2016 #103
^^THIS^^ farleftlib Jun 2016 #124
She is a corporatist. Marrah_G Jun 2016 #112
I don't think so I'm 57 years old and follow campaigns probably more than a lot bigdarryl Jun 2016 #114
ha ha ha Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #134
Misogyny eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #84
As a Hillary supporter, I agree. TeacherB87 Jun 2016 #102
I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't dislike her democrattotheend Jun 2016 #111
not in this life time Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #129
I don't know how many times I've told you guys that you're losing the left of the party Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #2
just your opinion. nt msongs Jun 2016 #6
Hillary won. That's how elections are. Someone wins and someone loses. Bernie lost. BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #7
and his supporters are free to feel how they feel. They aren't pledged to anyone Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #10
Sure, they can feel however they want. Losing is a part of life, and everyone deals with it BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #23
But what did Hillary win? JDPriestly Jun 2016 #29
I think we will win Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #117
she is winning the majority of Bernie voters Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #135
Come on , Join us Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #136
You have to work harder for longer to beat the hardest working woman in American politics. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #32
The "Left" doesn't care about winning forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #78
hardest working PERSON Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #137
I thought about that, but I couldn't deny Barack equal footing. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #140
What the left has to realize is the democratic Party is not going to be a completely left party bigdarryl Jun 2016 #115
The left has come to realize that there really is no room in the Democratic Party for them. djean111 Jun 2016 #132
Yep, Hillary's crowds have always been respectful to Sanders. Too bad Sander's people don't BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #3
Hillary's "crowd" has been anything but. Stacking the deck at every step. Not keeping her word. JudyM Jun 2016 #33
Lots of people don't appreciate Hillary's policies and won't vote for her. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #5
3.5 million more people appreciate her policies more than Sanders and don't whine about it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #8
You are the one I don't expect to hear whining when she tanks the economy and climate change worsens Live and Learn Jun 2016 #16
Republicans think Obama tanked the economy too, they don't live on Earth either uponit7771 Jun 2016 #28
Nope, the Clintons tanked it and will make it even worse, given a chance. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #35
He tanked mine. dchill Jun 2016 #45
Better hope that is enough to win the election for her. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #34
3.5 million people... bonemachine Jun 2016 #128
That's a GE number, the fact that sanders camp refuses to understand the difference is gob smacking uponit7771 Jun 2016 #133
Same is True about youceyec Jun 2016 #14
Bull. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #9
Hillary Clinton is better at forming working alliances and sustaining that effort over the long term LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #44
They leave the party no other choice but to move to the right. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #11
It has been moving to the right for a very long time. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #18
The left has been very unreliable for a very long time. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #22
Go ahead and enjoy what you get. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #21
It is because the Party lead by the Clintons has moved to the right JDPriestly Jun 2016 #38
LOLOL grasswire Jun 2016 #49
It's been happening since he 1976 election. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #50
The left sits it out because they are not respected by the LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #51
The left sits it out because they are whiny babies. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #52
Apparently you are not capable of discussing LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #55
Apparently the truth of the matter hurts. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #56
Actually, the left does not sit out at all. That has been debunked time and again on DU. merrily Jun 2016 #88
Yes, what an excellent basis upon which to make substantive policy decisions Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #63
Sounded like a mob brainwashed by right wing propaganda workinclasszero Jun 2016 #15
Maybe they all share an animal lust for power leftinportland Jun 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #43
Own it leftinportland Jun 2016 #46
They're hurting. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17
I expected it, not because his supporters suck, Democrats Ascendant Jun 2016 #19
It's still going! RobertEarl Jun 2016 #36
Hillary's campaign went on this long and there was almost no difference JDPriestly Jun 2016 #42
Kick riversedge Jun 2016 #24
IT IS youceyec Jun 2016 #27
It's not over RobertEarl Jun 2016 #41
What do you think will happen in Philly? 33taw Jun 2016 #68
LOL Sanders can say what he likes. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #82
What a coincidence! #ShesWithHerToo! merrily Jun 2016 #31
I noticed that too. Beacool Jun 2016 #37
No voter has to vote for a candidate. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #47
Has nothing to do with who you vote for. You either have grace or you dont. stevenleser Jun 2016 #81
Really, lol. Most thought he was suspending.. glowing Jun 2016 #40
As a Bernie supporter HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #48
And it wasn't the first time. Probably not the last time. How Bernie handled it says more about him Jitter65 Jun 2016 #58
Gotta love it--someone with 8 hidden posts complaining QC Jun 2016 #60
+1 merrily Jun 2016 #87
Bernie is on the people's side dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #61
Which "peoples"?! Surely not those in the "southern states" where they admitted NOT competing in uponit7771 Jun 2016 #94
Women, people of color, LGBT's and union members okasha Jun 2016 #118
So-called progressives, booing Hillary on the very night she made history for women ashtonelijah Jun 2016 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #79
This is unnecessary. And it's not helping Hillary. auntpurl Jun 2016 #106
it does however bonemachine Jun 2016 #131
Frankly, I think it's worse to spend a solid year constantly QC Jun 2016 #69
+1 OMG +1 merrily Jun 2016 #90
That she did that to such an honest man is why she lost my vote. SwampG8r Jun 2016 #91
It's the same kind of campaign she ran against Obama, QC Jun 2016 #100
Please link and quote HRC doing any of that? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #95
+1,000,000 farleftlib Jun 2016 #126
she hasnt earned respect, now she has to try larkrake Jun 2016 #72
Gotta love a good crowd! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #76
I noticed the lack of respect months ago. liberal N proud Jun 2016 #80
Hillary was in the presidential mode, her speech was great, good for her. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #85
Impotent fury, is what that is. No need to worry about people who can affect nothing BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #89
+1 texstad79 Jun 2016 #96
ah, grow up... n/t RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #92
How the bloody hell did you get off my ignore list? VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #93
I don't respect venal warmongers. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #97
I'm with her! mcar Jun 2016 #98
You're with what? pinebox Jun 2016 #99
Yeah, spoiled kids tend to act that way. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #101
Winners cheer for themselves. Losers grieve and show their frustration. God, are you dense or what. ancianita Jun 2016 #105
Surprised? Lint Head Jun 2016 #107
The crowds were expressing their opinons of the opposing candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #108
If I had been there I would have booed also after the media stunt the night before Marrah_G Jun 2016 #110
What's to respect? Lying? Corruption? War mongering? demwing Jun 2016 #113
Oh, bullcrap. Hissyspit Jun 2016 #119
Many Sanders supporters do not trust Hillary Clinton AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #120
Respect comes in different categories. LWolf Jun 2016 #122
They don't like my candidate, waaaah..... n/t JesterCS Jun 2016 #123
Tens of millions remain who have not yet been persuaded to support our presumptive nominee. Orsino Jun 2016 #127
Well, of course. Bernie is moral, Hillary is not. n/t Herman4747 Jun 2016 #130
Surprised to keep seeing these divisive posts. Why not look ahead and be positive? ALBliberal Jun 2016 #139
Respect is something one earns..One cannot buy that. insta8er Jun 2016 #142

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
1. We who prefer Bernie generally don't like Hillary.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jun 2016

It's just the way it is. No one can "make" someone else like a person. It's visceral. It's just the way it is.

Those who voted for Hillary knew from the get-go that Bernie voters did not and do not like her.

Now, in my opinion, it is up to Hillary to win the support of Bernie voters. No one has an obligation to like this person or that, not even Hillary.

Only Hillary can change the reality that Bernie voters for the most part, including even those who are willing to vote for her, really do not like her and have good reasons in their minds for disliking and distrusting her.

This is Hillary's challenge.

Bernie voters are not bad people just because they don't like Hillary.

Dealing with this is a test for Hillary.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
116. It is rude behavior and immature.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jun 2016

In my opinion, Bernie lost California partly because of the way Sen. Boxer and Sen. Feinstein were treated by Bernie supporters.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. We boo lots at Bernie rallies. We boo against the Republican family values.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jun 2016

We boo against Trump.

Booing is human behavior and expression. You may perceive it as rude and bullying if you are on the receiving end of it. But it does not hurt anyone. It's just booing. It's just sound. It's just free expression.

Hillary now has the challenge of trying to win the support of Bernie supporters who do not like her.

Whether she can do that may decide the outcome of the November election. It's her problem now that she thinks she has the nomination.

And indeed, whether she really does have the nomination may depend i great part on whether and how she can endear herself to Bernie supporters. Thus far, she has failed miserably at that task.

This is not like some primaries in which the supporters of both candidates will willingly support whatever candidate wins the nomination. Bernie supporters, many, many Bernie supporters, really do not like Hillary.

Hillary and her supporters can chastise, chide and scold Bernie supporters all they want to about this fact, but that will not change the feelings of the Bernie supporters.

So now Hillary and her supporters have to figure out how to win over Bernie supporters. Not an easy job.

And there is still the possibility that Bernie will win the nomination. Hillary has a lot of problems. Trump started in on her today. His words were really ugly. If Hillary cannot win Bernie supporters over, it is possible that the nomination will not be hers.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
70. You've said it well
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:37 AM
Jun 2016

You're right, JDPriestly, that Secretary Clinton needs to reach out to Senator Sanders' supporters to mend the fences and bring all Democrats together. That's her first challenge. Then she needs to lead the Democrats to victory against the Republicans.

I believe she can achieve these goals.

Vote a straight Democratic ticket!

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
104. "Whether she really does have the nomination..."
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

Right there, you make it impossible to win you over. You're denying reality. She does have the nomination.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
138. If she's so delicate that a couple people booing far away from her harms her...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

Then how in the world is she going to handle the Republicans?

Do you have a presidential candidate, or an antique porcelain doll in a hermetically sealed case? Figure it out before November.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. I'm glad you never tire of posting that meme. Even though the Hillary
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jun 2016

people put it out while you were still a Sanders's supporter, it seems to have stuck with you. Good going!

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
64. I remain a Sanders supporter.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jun 2016

I see no contradiction. It's the faux anti-Clinton "Sanders supporters" who only support him because ... he's anti-Clinton. That's why the mere mention of Clinton's name is boo-worthy for them.

Sanders didn't create this beast, Weaver and Devine did. And they aren't going to be able to put it in a pandoras box. It's going to be up to Sanders and he'll feel like a lot of bridges are burnt, but it won't be his fault.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
75. You know several of us Sanders supporters find the "movement" kind of intolerable?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jun 2016

joshcryer and I are not the only ones.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
83. And that has what to do with not supporting the candidate you claim to support?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:40 AM
Jun 2016

Besides, you at least have the excuse that you were an O'Malley supporter early on. And, by the time you felt you had to switch to Sanders because you supposedly thought him more electible than Hillary, you saw the terrible, terrible behavior of the Obama Boys Bernie Bros and were so totally turned off you could not bring yourself to post in support of Sanders.

Josh, however, was supposedly a Sanders supporter from the off, before Sanders even announced. I think he was claiming that maybe as far back as 2014.

But, I'm sure Josh will appreciate your jumping in to defend him.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
62. That is not true
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:09 AM
Jun 2016

You will be surprised at what the future holds as a result of the Sanders campaign.

Sam

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
65. The Sanders campaign has achieved great things.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jun 2016

In spite of the anti-Clinton hordes it has attracted.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
71. and anti obama and anti dem party
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:39 AM
Jun 2016

and these are mostly NOT the younger/millenials either.

they are ones who do this just about every election.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
74. Neither are you as you obviously don't understand the fable of sour grapes
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:51 AM
Jun 2016

Because it doesn't apply here at all.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
141. No, it really doesn't
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

In the fable, the fox does not get the grapes and tries to push off his disappointment by saying "Those grapes were probably sour anyway" as a way of saying he didn't really want the grapes.

In this case, Bernie does want to be the President and nobody is saying the Presidency is bad (sour). Misuse of fable.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
30. But
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:22 AM
Jun 2016

The Hillary people have great respect for the Bernie voters.

I saw it in the OP, it must be true?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
53. Screw that "Hillary has to win you". You hate her. Go away and sit out the general with your
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:40 AM
Jun 2016

narcissistic ego

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
57. If no one can "make" someone like a person
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:47 AM
Jun 2016

then giving Hillary "tests" to see if she can do it is a losing enterprise. Especially if it is "visceral" and "the way it is". Nothing she can say will work because she will be accused of lying or being phony.

As far as testing Hillary to see if she can deal with it (which sounds like a very creepy thing to want to do) she's proven herself to be good at handling haters for a long time.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
77. That's true. Which is why I find the Clinton people who worry about Sanders supporters very strange.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jun 2016

I didn't think much of the p.u.m.a.s and didn't feel like wasting my time to convert them. It's strange to see some of the weirdest posts from Clinton supporters worrying about boos.

I personally don't see how Clinton can win me over, and don't expect her to try. To me, she is a very divisive campaigner, a neo-con, and while not necessarily a phony, she is a politician who doesn't realize how much having video capable phones undermines pandering to audiences.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
73. No one can explain to me why Sanders supporters hate
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:15 AM
Jun 2016

Mrs.CLinton with a passion as they do.They hate her more than they hate republicans who hate all democrsts its mind boggling.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
103. I hate war and fracking and cluster bombs and the TPP and means-testing Social Security
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jun 2016

and increasing H-1B visas and cluster bombs and saying no to single payer and yes to bloody regime change and interventions and less Wall Street regulations. Hillary proudly stands FOR those things. Third Way neocon hawk. Oh, and she lies. (waves to alerters). These are things that are not good for actual people.

Why the fuck is that so hard to understand? I don't give a crap about Hillary as a person, although I think her husband is a sleazeball and would not invite them over for dinner. Yes, I know they don't care.

Anyone who hangs around with Kissinger and Pete Peterson, and espouses their policies of war and slashing of social programs, is a person I cannot support or vote for. If you do not understand that, I feel sorry for you.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
124. ^^THIS^^
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016

She chose a polarizing path and now she has to walk it. Too bad about a few boos along the way.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
112. She is a corporatist.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jun 2016

I don't hate her but I don't support her bid for the presidency.

I think your attempt to say they hate her more then republicans is disingenuous at worst and misguided at best.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
114. I don't think so I'm 57 years old and follow campaigns probably more than a lot
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

Of youngsters on this site I've never seen a democratic party nominee hated by the far left as Hillary has.It has nothing to do with her being for trade and by the way most Americans believe in trade agreements it's only a issue with some on the left

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
102. As a Hillary supporter, I agree.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

And I think Bernie's meeting with Obama is partly about this. How can durable progressive principles be infused into the platform, the party, and the policy efforts from future Presidnrt Clinton. I hope she rises to the occasion.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
111. I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't dislike her
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jun 2016

I am very ambivalent about her. There are some things I really like and some things I really don't. If I had been there I would not have booed.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
129. not in this life time
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

it if up to you to decide what is the right thing to do for those people you claim to care about, the poor and downtrodden. If you think that is enabling tRump then you have some issues.
Hillary supporters just have more class and we are not whiny-assed babies, that is the difference. Plus it is easier to be the winners. I get that. Sux to be you.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
2. I don't know how many times I've told you guys that you're losing the left of the party
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:10 AM
Jun 2016

Either you want Hillary to succeed, or you want the party and progressiveness to succeed. It would appear you can't have both.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
7. Hillary won. That's how elections are. Someone wins and someone loses. Bernie lost.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jun 2016
How you lose reveals a lot about your character.
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
10. and his supporters are free to feel how they feel. They aren't pledged to anyone
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jun 2016

You guys should know all about that.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
23. Sure, they can feel however they want. Losing is a part of life, and everyone deals with it
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jun 2016

in their own way. How you deal with it does say something about you though.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. But what did Hillary win?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:22 AM
Jun 2016

She won a majority of votes of Democrats in the primaries thus far.

But she is not winning the support of Bernie supporters. Unless she figures out how to do that, her supposed win of the nomination (and that is not won until July 25) is not good enough to win in November.

This is Hillary's problem. We shall see how good she is at solving this problem. I am going to wait and see. Should be an interesting show to watch. Hillary trying to win over Bernie supporters. Hmmmmmmm!

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
117. I think we will win
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

Some of the Bernie supporters are first-time voters who won't vote...well we won without them before...some are Trump supporters who never intended to vote for any Democrat and most of the real Dems involved will vote for the Democratic nominee.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
135. she is winning the majority of Bernie voters
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

they have been polled and they have said they will vote for her.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article70202867.html

86% will vote for Hillary! read it and weep! <------ Hillary and Bernie peeps except the dead-enders.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
32. You have to work harder for longer to beat the hardest working woman in American politics.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:22 AM
Jun 2016

The Left either needs to find a backing billionaire (see the Tea Party), or get a long game. Right now that means joining the fight and forming alliances and working relationships within the party.

Nothing succeeds like winning. Go Blue or go home.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
78. The "Left" doesn't care about winning
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:27 AM
Jun 2016

Only looking good. That's probably has something to do with the fact that the professional "Left" trends richer and whiter than the American population.

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
140. I thought about that, but I couldn't deny Barack equal footing.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jun 2016

I try not to deal with hypotheticals, but I do think that Barack and Hilary are equals, though their experiences and obstacles have been different and they have different perspectives and approaches.

I think people should embrace the fact that Hilary is a woman and not negate the importance of that perspective given the human experience and as it applies in power, leadership and political roles.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
115. What the left has to realize is the democratic Party is not going to be a completely left party
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jun 2016

It's a party that has different fractions

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
132. The left has come to realize that there really is no room in the Democratic Party for them.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

When things the party seems to stand for - like Hillary's stances - really sound more like the GOP? Time to go.
When the real feeling about the Left, IMO, is Rahm sneering that we are retards and where else we gonna go? Which, by the way, is pretty much the sentiment of Hillary's supporters here, , and the DNC. Okay, maybe some of us will just find another place to go.

A tent that is okay with Rick Warren and war and fracking and cluster bombs, etc., is not a tent - it is just an open-air corral.

Some of us cattle refuse to go down the chute. That's all that is happening. The Party has been drifting to the right, pulled by the Third Way and Wall Street, and some of us do not want to go there. Simple as that.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
3. Yep, Hillary's crowds have always been respectful to Sanders. Too bad Sander's people don't
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:11 AM
Jun 2016

have that kind of class.

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
33. Hillary's "crowd" has been anything but. Stacking the deck at every step. Not keeping her word.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jun 2016

On and on, and it matters. Fairness matters quite a bit to some. To others, not so much.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. You are the one I don't expect to hear whining when she tanks the economy and climate change worsens
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jun 2016

Oh yeah, I won't be able to hear you anyway.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. Nope, the Clintons tanked it and will make it even worse, given a chance.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jun 2016

Even Obama couldn't really bring it back.

dchill

(38,484 posts)
45. He tanked mine.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:29 AM
Jun 2016

Can't help believing he tanked millions of other "middle class" economies, as well. I got bamboozled. I fell for the Okeydoke. I'm a progressive, by the way, not a Republican. I've been a member here for 12 years, and watched it degrade gradually to a haven for corporate apologists. Congratulations.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. Better hope that is enough to win the election for her.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jun 2016

Unless she figures out a way to earn the votes of Bernie supporters.

I don't think she can do that.

 

youceyec

(394 posts)
14. Same is True about
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jun 2016

Clinton supporters towards Sanders. We still respect him though. Difference does not mean bad.

Response to youceyec (Original post)

LuvLoogie

(6,999 posts)
44. Hillary Clinton is better at forming working alliances and sustaining that effort over the long term
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:29 AM
Jun 2016

It is surprising (or not) that "ratfucking and tricks" so easily besting the morally and intellectually superior is given as an excuse.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. They leave the party no other choice but to move to the right.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jun 2016

This is the only choice to be made when the Left declares they will sit it out.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
38. It is because the Party lead by the Clintons has moved to the right
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jun 2016

that it will be so difficult for Hillary to win the support and votes of Bernie supporters.

It is a difficult problem for her.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
50. It's been happening since he 1976 election.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

It got worse after the LEft went for Nader in 2000.

The Left has become the most unreliable voting block in history.

And they have declared, they will sit out 2016. I take them at their word.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
51. The left sits it out because they are not respected by the
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

corporate powers that control the party. Until those on the left have more than a token seat at the table, nothing will change. Hillary, however, cannot win without a sizable number of Bernie voters. If she doesn't find a sincere way to reach out to them and bring them over, she's toast. The Republicans will unite and take many Independents along. Hillary is not well liked in the world outside the corporate wing of the Democratic Party. That has to change, and soon, or the history books will be referencing President Trump.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
52. The left sits it out because they are whiny babies.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:38 AM
Jun 2016

Then, when the party has no other choice but to move right, they become even bigger whiny babies over the mess they themselves made.

Bernie or Bust forces the party right, just like Nader forced the party right after 2000.

It's self defeating selfishness by whiny babies.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
55. Apparently you are not capable of discussing
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:44 AM
Jun 2016

this issue without redorting to name calling. Perhaps that's another reason why Bernie supporters dislike Hilkary supporters so much. Grow up.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
56. Apparently the truth of the matter hurts.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:45 AM
Jun 2016

Whiny babies sit out elections because their feelings got hurt in a primary.

Response to leftinportland (Reply #39)

19. I expected it, not because his supporters suck,
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jun 2016

but because there really needs to be some transition and time. I remember '08 very well. Still, I'm disappointed that Sanders allowed it to go on so long.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
42. Hillary's campaign went on this long and there was almost no difference
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jun 2016

between Hillary's and Obama's views, support and campaigns.

There is a big difference, a fundamental philosophical difference between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns. That is going to be Hillary's problem going forward.

This is not at all like 2008.

 

youceyec

(394 posts)
27. IT IS
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:20 AM
Jun 2016

Bernies duty to tell his voters to be respectful. Obama even used to say "Vote, Dont Boo"...when talking about Republicans! Bernie can't even say that in support of the first female democratic nominee. Its wrong.

Anger is a net negative when you let it consume you.

And just like Hillary and every other primary loser before her went on to support nominee, Bernie has to do same. If he doesn't and Trump wins, it will be Bernies fault.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
82. LOL Sanders can say what he likes.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:36 AM
Jun 2016

I thought Clinton had gone pretty low in 2008, I thought she would have learned her lesson about dividing the party. This time around she went even lower.

Imagine if it were reversed and Sanders was winning. Imagine that Sanders had spent a lot of time sending out surrogates to say that you only supported Clinton because you were: sexist, racist, homophobic, an elitist who will be fine if republicans get into office, are too interested in "purity", have unrealistic goals(but Sanders would still try to poach them and say he thought of them first) and on and on. Then after broad-brushing you with political insults, Sanders just assumes that it's water under the bridge, doesn't address the excesses of his campaign's attacks and expects you to be dutiful chattel and support the victor.

No Democratic Presidential nominee has won Texas for 40 years, unless it's in play, I will vote for whoever I feel like. I will support down-ticket Dems.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
37. I noticed that too.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary's crowd cheered when Sanders was mentioned, while Sanders' were boorish and booed.

Poor form. In life one must learn to deal with disappointment.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
47. No voter has to vote for a candidate.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary is going to have to win the votes of Sanders' voters if she thinks she is going to win in November.

We who support Bernie are supporting a movement. Hillary will have to deal with us and our movement. That's the way these things work.

This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. Hillary can't just say, "I won. Now do as I say." She has a big challenge on her hands: winning Bernie voters.

Unless, of course, she thinks she can win in November with Republican cross-over voters.

In that case, she should simply encourage Bernie to run on a third-party ticket and say goodbye to Bernie voters for good. That is an alternative for her.

This is very different from the 2008 primary. Bernie is much more different in his philosophy, his campaign and his policy proposals from Hillary than Hillary was from Obama.

I don't know whether Hillary can deal with this challenge. We shall see. There is also the chance that Bernie will be the nominee. There is still quite a while before the Convention. A lot can happen in that time.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
81. Has nothing to do with who you vote for. You either have grace or you dont.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jun 2016

Beacool didnt mention who Sanders voters were going to vote for, it was about behavior and attitude.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
40. Really, lol. Most thought he was suspending..
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jun 2016

I guess he just doesn't believe suspending those ideals are what Anerica needs. If Hillary is smart, she'd let the guy keep on fighting agains Trump. Eventually, the party will come together... But take a clue, grab ahold of these ideas and push your candidate to embrace them. Believe me a billionaire doesn't need an extra billion for anything; especially when kids are starving in America!

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
58. And it wasn't the first time. Probably not the last time. How Bernie handled it says more about him
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jun 2016

than his rude supporters.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
61. Bernie is on the people's side
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary is an astroturf candidate backed by large corporations, and she and her corporate backers have used every trick in the book and invented some new ones to win this nomination against an excellent populist on the left, the first serious run from the left I've seen in my lifetime. What makes anyone think Bernie's supporters would have positive feelings, or even respect, for Hillary Clinton?

I realize there are some people here who are happy to support either person. But for many Bernie supporters, it's not that way at all, we've never supported Hillary, and we're sick and tired of being triangulated into the corner of supporting corporatist Democrats or enabling even worse Republicans. Yet here we are again.

This time is different, it really is, we are awakened and will not stop. The Bernie primary run was a great catalyst. We'll see where this movement goes from here. We love Bernie, and at the same time, it was never about him, it is about all of us. Either we get the Democratic Party to start supporting candidates who refuse corporate money, or we build a new party.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
118. Women, people of color, LGBT's and union members
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jun 2016

are not "AstroTurf"

They are the Democratic Party's base. Senator Sanders failed to win their support, and he lost. It's that simple.

ashtonelijah

(340 posts)
66. So-called progressives, booing Hillary on the very night she made history for women
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:21 AM
Jun 2016

It made me cringe. I could even see Bernie cringing. He looked for a moment like he wanted to tell them to stop, but then he just continued his speech. He could've really had a moment there if he'd stood against that vulgar display of hatred. He could've restored a lot of the respect I had that has eroded over this primary season. So disappointing. I miss the old Bernie.

Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #66)

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
106. This is unnecessary. And it's not helping Hillary.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

As a Hillary supporter, I strongly disagree with this post and urge people to use more civil language.

bonemachine

(757 posts)
131. it does however
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

Provide a little balance to the claim that it's all Sanders supporters who are poorly behaved

QC

(26,371 posts)
69. Frankly, I think it's worse to spend a solid year constantly
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:33 AM
Jun 2016

accusing a decent person of being a racist, homophobe, misogynist, grifter, and so on (not to mention the open anti-Semitism that some have engaged in) than it is for some people somewhere to boo someone, but I guess we all have our own moral principles.

I just happen to think that bearing false witness is pretty bad.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
90. +1 OMG +1
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016
I just happen to think that bearing false witness is pretty bad.


So are statements that would be libelous, if Sanders were not a public figure.

As bad or worse? Corruption.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
91. That she did that to such an honest man is why she lost my vote.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jun 2016

Actually its that it was done with such joy that creates my disgust.

QC

(26,371 posts)
100. It's the same kind of campaign she ran against Obama,
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jun 2016

but many here have forgotten that. Amazing how flexible some people's consciences are.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
126. +1,000,000
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

She threw shade at him for the good he's done that she didn't have the courage or ethics to do.

That's real hate. A "boo" can't compare to the hatchet job she tried to do on his record.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
80. I noticed the lack of respect months ago.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:30 AM
Jun 2016

At that time you could write it off as posturing and election attitude, but it has become more evident that much of that crowd lacks respect for anyone who does not agree with them.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
89. Impotent fury, is what that is. No need to worry about people who can affect nothing
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jun 2016

acting poorly on national television. They embarrass themselves well enough without us getting involved.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
93. How the bloody hell did you get off my ignore list?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jun 2016

And for the record, supporters don't dictate who I support-- though if they did, I think I'd be even more staunchly #NeverHillary than before.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
99. You're with what?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jun 2016

More war?
More fracking?
More student loan debt?
More sending children migrants back home?
More private prisons?
More people thrown in jail for pot?
More dirty money deals for weapons?
More of turning countries into vacuums?
More people uninsured and dying from it?

What are you fighting for? Ask yourself.

People can't stand Hillary. Most of America hates her and sees her as a sell out and corporate America puppet who is insincere.

The cheers may be loud but everything is loud inside an echo chamber of 10 people. America is going to vote and sorry but I don't see the majority of America voting for someone who they've hated for decades.

That is reality.

ancianita

(36,053 posts)
105. Winners cheer for themselves. Losers grieve and show their frustration. God, are you dense or what.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016

What a silly, shallow reaction for an OP.

Tired of you Hillers' obtuseness.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
108. The crowds were expressing their opinons of the opposing candidates.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

Apparently the Hillary crowd showed its admiration for Bernie and the Bernie showed its disdain for Hillary.

Such is politics.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
110. If I had been there I would have booed also after the media stunt the night before
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

I am not with her.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
113. What's to respect? Lying? Corruption? War mongering?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

Arrogance? Smugness? Poor judgement?

Stop me when I get there...

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
122. Respect comes in different categories.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

Respect for living things. Respect for humans. That's the more general.

One can respect a person without respecting her words, actions, candidacy, or politics.

And those people gathered to listen to Sanders weren't at DU. They didn't have to censor what they really think.

But please...continue to point out how awful we are. It will be so helpful for you after the convention.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
127. Tens of millions remain who have not yet been persuaded to support our presumptive nominee.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

That doesn't make her the right choice or the wrong one; it simply highlights the challenges of the convention and the general election.

Who will she be working to win, and what policy can we use to help sell her message?

Rather than blaming haters, Trump-like, we need to be focused on constructive action.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Very very sad audience re...