2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis message was self-deleted by its author
This message was self-deleted by its author (bigtree) on Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:06 PM. When the original post in a discussion thread is self-deleted, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Although my days visiting the Ben & Jerry's factory ended when the two owners sold out to Unilever in 2006 for $326 million and then kept pretending like they were progressives.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>deserve better than what they've got now.>>>>>
PJMcK
(25,048 posts)Wow, the BobbyDrake sure does have some major league BernieHate going on. But if he wants to participate in Vermont politics, it's still a free country.
Paid posters.
Statistics and Information
Account status: Active
Member since: Tue May 17, 2016, 02:26 PM
Number of posts: 597
Number of posts, last 90 days: 597
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 220 posts in the last 90 days (37% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 371 posts in the last 90 days (62% of total posts)
Last post: Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:27 PM
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)a carpetbagger moving to their state to try and remove one of the most liked and respected people in VT. Good luck with that. 
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Bernie is loved in Vermont.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)So now only Bernie is allowed to move to other states and run for office there? 
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Like Clinton did.
Bernie did not do that (4 year resident prior to running for any office) and if YOU actually read his bio, you'd know that, so you have zero credibility now.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)I'll do more with it. There is a less than zero chance that Bernie's seat is vulnerable.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)A guy who lives in Mexico, has vioted for President twice and decided to run in Vermont because his fee-fee's were hurt by Sanders supporters and the fact that sanders has not dropped out......
Yeah a great substitute for a senator who has caucused with Dems for 20 years, has a lot of seniority and won about 40 percent of the primary votes.
Not a very good job of moving on.
boston bean
(36,931 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Somehow I doubt Vermointers will agree with you
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)would have supported Hillary Clinton. He didn't like Bernie, they fought over Bernie's legislation to dump nuclear waste on poor Mexican Americans in TX.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)No one does.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)do you remember when he and Tom Harkin were the only democrats who went to Florida to stand up for Gore when he was fighting for the recount in 2000? I was there. I knew Wellstone. You have no clue. He had no use for Bernie. He was pragmatic. Conservatives in MN voted for him because of his commonsense pragmatism and his honesty. He was NOTHING like bernie.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If you were such good buds, perhaps you and he spent many hours long into the night discussing how awful Sanders is and if he ever ran for president in 2016 he would support Hillary Clinton over him.
If so, you can claim some mystic insight.
Otherwise...It's speculation as he is not around these days.
And it has nothing to do with whether someone challenges Sanders when his Senate term is up for re-election.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...Bottom line: the VT Senate seats are reliably Democratic. $$$ you spend on a safe seat are $$ not spent on protecting our gains in 2018, which will be a tough year.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)to aim at Republicans first, or other Democrats? I know what I suspect they're going to do, and it's not taking on Republicans...
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Last night 10 "Berniecrats" ran in House/Senate Primaries. None of them rose above mediocre...
Beowulf
(761 posts)The Party and its wealthy backers poured millions into the campaigns of opponents of progressive candidates. You stand for nothing except power and money and will vanquish any pushback from the Left.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)
JSup
(740 posts)...always target their own party first.
Exhibit a) The husk that used to be the Republican Party. First the 'tea party' joined the party, then they called the Republicans that were already there 'Rinos', then they primaried those 'Rinos', then the party lost people because it had 'gone crazy'.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)He only caucused with Dems for the vast majority of his life! He only stood up against a ton of garbage we don't like when others didn't (NAFTA, Crime Bill prison provisions, Iraq, etc). Screw him for seeing a better way forward!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Response to TCJ70 (Reply #5)
Post removed
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)And youre upset about booing? 
That poster is prone to throwing Cornell West in everyone's faces! Shields up!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)
Loudestlib
(980 posts)[link:
merrily
(45,251 posts)And, as an indie, he defeated THE richest man in Vermont.
So, send even more $$$$.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)
merrily
(45,251 posts)
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)Sid
perfect comeback, post of the day.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)
Stuckinthebush
(11,203 posts)Guffawed, actually.
Well done.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Well done, sir. 
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Granted, your world seems to revolve around the notion that not giving Clinton a free ride amounts to "hatred."
YouDig
(2,280 posts)That you think Hillary winning the popular vote and pledged delegates by huge margins is a "free ride" tells a lot.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)How is it that this standard only applies to one candidate?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)
kaiden
(1,314 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts) NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Happy Hump Day!!!
Logical
(22,457 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I never said it wasn't rude.
SidDithers
(44,333 posts)posters have until June 16 to strongly criticize Democratic politicians, like Bernie.
Sid
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)supposed to be nice to the Bernie people - not mean like before - but sweet and all unifying.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts) NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Oh, wait, never mind, you support Clinton, of course not.
Truly, go ahead.
MH1
(19,156 posts)Most progressives will recognize the name.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
MH1
(19,156 posts)Giordano recalls being an early Bernie Sanders supporter.
I did support him when he first ran for [Burlington] mayor, he says of Sanders. I did support him when he first ran for Congress, and then the year he won. I supported him as a journalist and got my newspaper to endorse him. But he says he cooled to Sanders after the Newt Gingrich-led Republican revolution takeover of the House in the 1994 midterm elections. Back then, Sanders was still distancing himself from Democrats, including liberal stalwarts like Barney Frank and Steny Hoyer, who were, in Giordanos words, giving Gingrich hell.
...
...
Still, Giordano is undaunted. Everything thats different about Bernie is just as different about me, he says, adding that in many ways, he is to Sanderss left, and not just on guns. He reels off a string of issues where he says Vermont could use a more effective grassroots movement: from black motorists in the state being five times more likely to be pulled over than white motorists, to the fact that the state legislature recently rejected a bid to legalize marijuana.
And while those are state, not federal issues, Giordano says he believes they can be addressed by unleashing a slew of newly trained organizers and activists in the state.
Also check out http://www.narconews.com/
By the way, I like Bernie but also like the idea of Giordano as a successor to him. Bernie won't live forever, and hopefully will one day be happy to retire and relax.
Also from the first link:
I actually think that Bernie WILL make a serious effort at unifying the party, and that therefore Giordano will probably not actually run.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Talk about ego!! I got my first good laugh of the day at this thread, and then this post really made me guffaw!
Duval
(4,280 posts)
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Your call, though.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)But it would amuse me to see you thinking you had a chance. 
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)He will be 77. Seems like a reasonable age to walk away.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Hey, you got your priorities, and I've got mine.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Is Giordano (I can't hear the name without thinking of Chicago deep dish pizza. Mmmmm. 
) significantly different from Sanders on any, you know, issues?
Hell, maybe he is.
But if he's pretty much the same, well, great. Sanders isn't going to be around forever. I don't think this guy will successfully primary him, but let him build some name recognition. If Sanders eventually gets replaced by someone on the same ideological page, awesome.
Again, from my point of view DWS needs to go because she has a history of siding with payday lenders (although she seems to have "evolved" under pressure on that one, and good for her). She votes to put terminally ill cancer patients in prison for eating pot brownies, stuff like that. You know, actual issues.
Some people seem to have a seventh grade mentality, and think this is all about who sits at what table in the lunchroom.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)
Vinca
(53,994 posts)If Bernie happens to seek office again, he will be 76 and signing up for the job until he's 80. So running isn't a sure thing #1. Assuming he does run, you forget he won the Vermont primary by a foolish number - 85% I think - and the last time he ran for the Senate he also won by a silly amount after some guy threw $8 million of his own money into trying to defeat him. But, whatever floats your boat. I'm sure Al, whoever the hell he is, will appreciate donations.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Giordano, a bearded, graying, former reporter with the Boston Phoenix alternative weekly, cut his teeth as an anti-nuclear protester in the early 1980s while living in Rowe, a small Massachusetts town bordering Vernon, Vermont. When he wasn’t filing for the Phoenix, he spent his time protesting the twin nuclear power plants on either side of the state border: Yankee Rowe and Vermont Yankee. And he became close friends with the late leftie activist and anarchist Abbie Hoffman. He has spent the last 19 years in Mexico, where he runs an online newsletter, Narco News, and a school that trains journalists to cover social movements. His claim to fame is winning a First Amendment case against the Banco Nacional de México, which sued him, a Mexican reporter and Narco News for libel over a series of stories claiming a bank official was in league with Central American drug cartels.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/06/meet-al-giordano-the-man-who-wants-to-take-bernie-down.html
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Ya let's fight against the asshole who has fought for women's equality, gay rights, a living wage, paid maternal leave, against war, and God forbid that awful thing....FREE EDUCATION!
Yeah let's fight against that.
Remind us, what fracking message board do you think you're on?
The only reason you're pissed is because he's in it until the convention. Now tell us, what is so awful about that? Hm? Why do you have such a beef with that considering Hillary is basically the nominee at this point. Let's hear wtf you got bud.
Sorry, Bernie has like a 80% favorability in VT. A number Hillary has never had, anywhere. He has the highest approval rating of ANY senator.
Good luck with that.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)But if all these petty Clinton supporters want to waste their money donating to Al Whateverthefuckhisnameis, they can go right ahead.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)think
(11,641 posts)From the health care industry that's making sure it stays that way.
Thanks a lot....
LostOne4Ever
(9,753 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]One of the few congressmen who stood up against DOMA?
One of the few congressmen who stood up against the Patriot Act?
One of the few congressmen who stood up against the Iraq war?
A person with a 100% rating from HRC
A person with a 100% rating from the ACLU
A person with a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood
A person with a 97% rating from NAACP
A person with a 95% rating from the League of Conservation Voters?
One of the, if not THE most popular senator in the senate?[hr]
To support a person who has almost no governmental experience and doesn't even live in Vermont Currently? A person who hasn't even voted for a president in his life except in 2008 for Obama, and in 1996 for Clinton? Who couldn't even bother to make it to the polls for this primary?
It is your money but it sounds to me like you are going to cut off your nose to spite your face.[/font]
demmiblue
(39,721 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Vermont is like Oregon, nothing pisses us off more than out of Sate people meddling in State politics. I urge you to pen letters to all the Vermont press announcing your intention to lead an attack on their Senator from your district in Maryland. Please, please do that.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Post removed
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)Your hatred is overwhelming your sense bigtree.
Sad
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Response to Arazi (Reply #48)
Eric J in MN This message was self-deleted by its author.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now make sure to tie those tent flaps really really tight
vintx
(1,748 posts)Shocked. I'm shocked, I say.
livetohike
(24,283 posts)
Ilsa
(64,377 posts)The GE will be much worse, and I think Sen. Sanders helped get her ready for that.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)You are doing a great job.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Unity is hate who knew!
Beowulf
(761 posts)The Clinton wing saves its vitriol for progressives. It's not content with victory, it wants the Left vanquished. Especially a Left that dared to challenge its stranglehold on power.
vintx
(1,748 posts)I guess they're hoping the GOP will help them to victory.
I wish them all the luck they deserve.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)what this is about. One should never dare to take on the establishment. One should be gracious that the establishment let you say your cute little message for a while, but you way overstepped when people started hearing it.
What I like about you bigtree, and so many of the most vocal Clinton supporters is that you almost never, if ever, talk about issues, which makes sense, because issues isn't where your candidate excels.She can't talk about issues in an honest and bold way, because she's not on a conservative ticket.
I would say, why not focus on your candidate now, to make sure that she is going to actually fight for the things you care about, but she is isn't she? You just won't admit it. This is the candidate you want, because you like things the way they are, and Hillary's the one who will keep them this way. That is a legitimate position. One that is every person's right to take and defend, or fuck it, just believe on faith, but pretending that you want change when you don't, just so that you can continue to peddle Hillary as progressive is pretty fucking cynical.
Well this is your chance to step out into the daylight! Come on! You've won the primary! A crazy GOP shock jock is running on the other ticket! No progressive is going to vote for him even if Clinton runs to the right of Reagan. So shout it to the world! "I like things as they are!" "Wealth distribution is class warfare!" "Wall Street creates jobs!" "Upper education isn't right for everyone!" "Minimum wage hike when the time is right!"
Just own your shit already.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...despite the way his supporters have elevated him (and themselves) above all others.
I talk about issues all of the time, JC. Both candidates talk about issues. but what you fail to acknowledge is that progressiveness isn't just about aspirations - which most Sanders supporters believe they hold a lock on - it's about actually accomplishing something.
I know this rankles Bernie folks, but I don't believe Sanders or his 'revolution' has a clue about how to enact those ideals of his. Moreover, I believe he has made himself an obstacle to that progress with his assault on the Democratic party and party leaders and officials who dared to support Hillary.
I don't think he has the constitution or temperament necessary for the position. I find him as petty, vindictive, and backbiting as many of his most vocal and strident supporters. I'm not impressed by his anti-Hillary campaign, as if defeating Clinton makes his politics more likely to succeed.
He's not only ill-prepared for the job, he's his own worst enemy; an anathema to the progressiveness he espouses.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)what we think Bernie was going to do when he got to Washington. He wasn't going to be able to work with congress. That was a given, and that goes for both sides of the aisle. He was going to be able to use the bully pulpit to continue to talk about the entrenchment of big money in Washington, and to get people to reject this kleptocracy that we live in. He was not going to sign any bills that did more harm to the middle class, and destroyed more actual small businesses and industries, or continued to contribute to disastrous climate change and environmental destruction. That was enough for me, because hopefully, it would have helped to change the expectations about how candidates for the Presidency sound, and who's interests they represent.
It was a big risk, and always will be, because the money would have fought him all the way, done everything it could to paint him as an ineffectual President, and would have used his inability to actually get things done in Washington as proof of it. They would have done their part, as you are doing now, to kill that voice, and then tie his name around the neck of any up-and-comer with a similar message down the line.
By the way you enact these ideals by getting people to understand and want them. People like yourself who scoff at movements towards change while they actively stand in the way of them are being disingenuous. Its not that you don't think change can happen, its that you don't want it to, and will do your part to make sure it doesn't.
Yes, Clinton will get things done, in a divided congress that has no incentive to compromise. The powers that be, those that basically own congress, have no incentive to give up anything unless they are getting more in the bargain. So, you tell me why I should be enthusiastic about the kinds of inroads Clinton will be able to make, and the kinds of token legislation that she'll take in trade for shit that matters. What sorts of legislation are you expecting? What are you enthusiastic for?
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...you lost me right there.
In actuality, 'people like me' are responsible for the largest and most relevant movement in this campaign.
I'm not cooperating with any debate or discussion which assumes I'm not voting or advocating for change. More to the point, I'm not debating issues with the Sanders campaign anymore. He's toast, and the contest now rests with Hillary and the republican nominee. That's what I'm 'enthusiastic' for.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)I'll hold off on my assertions of your intentions, because maybe I'm just way off the mark. But I'm still baffled by what you and every other Hillary supporter on this board means when they say change? What do you mean when you say it, in the context of a Clinton Presidency? Is she really bringing it, and if so, how? Now it could be that you just have a far more altruistic view of American Government than I do, and that you see it as good people trying to do what's right, and that half of them are just crazy. I see it as a system where there is no going against the hand that feeds you. In such a system, even if Hillary were the exception, how would she be able to convince others to turn on their masters, while working within that very system? And if instead she enlisted the masters themselves, why would those who benefit from the status quo go along with change, unless they got more out of the deal at the end of the day?
I'm oversimplifying the mechanisms for this, but I don't think that I'm mischaracterizing the practical reality of it. If you do, well that is an interesting discussion and one we should probably have more of on this board, because it probably speaks to, not an idealistic divide between us, but instead, a disagreement about the reality we live in.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)She touts herself as Obama 3.0,and Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s.
I don't think the change will be for the good for working people tho. TPP sets the gold standard?
adigal
(7,581 posts)Just insults for Bernie. That's it. Sad that you are enthusiastic about - no issues!! How do you do that?
...there is no race left with Sanders to defend or explain for me.
If you want policy discussion, pull up the myriad posts of mine that were routinely ignored or just plain snarked by Sanders supporters in favor of their own strident nonsense.
You aren't going to get me to start rehashing this primary campaign. It's a race between Trump and Hillary, and any effort I make here will take care not to provide talking points for the republican opposition. I understand the need to bait folks into continuing the policy comparisons, but, right now I'm just interested in closing the nomination process down and elevating our Democratic nominee.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Neither "the largest" nor "the most relevant movement" in this campaign.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Henry Kissinger for advice.
You can call yourself a liberal, but don't expect everyone to believe you.
QC
(26,371 posts)Empty out your bank accounts, sell the car, get a second mortgage. Send him the grocery money.
Send him every penny you can scrape up.
Please.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...
Please do!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Bernie's actions in his seat in Vermont have generally aligned with the Democratic party (I wish he'd do better on guns, but...) and this just seems over the top the day after his loss.
Nothing personal, but I don't think Hillary gains much from these kinds of posts!
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...I don't think there's much virtue in remaining passive and silent, even deferential, as Sanders continues his insulting, self-serving, and 'over the top' campaign against this historic Democratic choice.
He should know, and his supporters should know that his promise to continue this rhetorical campaign against the party will be met with strong opposition and resolute defenders.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)and possibly sooner than Hillary did in 2008. His speech last night looked bad on its face, but when you start to look deeper, there was a lot of code in there about beating trump and fighting for justice, not superdelegates. We cannot make it look like we're forcing him out - his supporters will be so furious we will not be able to win them over.
I do think posting here might have an effect - obviously not millions of votes, but if I can change the mind/heart of one Bernie supporter by being gracious and civil, well then I've helped Hillary. It's a small thing, but it's a good thing. Just my opinion.
Now! If he does not concede and genuinely carries on fighting directly against Hillary past DC, all bets are off. Save me a pitchfork because I'm gonna be PISSED! 
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...more power to you! 
Prism
(5,815 posts)Hokay then. Donate away.
Logical
(22,457 posts)
democrattotheend
(12,011 posts)Not if they want to win statewide office. Vermonters are liberal on everything else, but they love their guns.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)lmfao! Nice pick!
Logical
(22,457 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)"working with" Republicans, then I guess you would find him corrosive.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...blocking you.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)Looking forward
Orsino
(37,428 posts)bigtree
(94,269 posts)I mean, what haven't they touched? Giordano asks, peering at me via a 6-by-4 inch Skype window from his home in Mexico City. What part of the Obama coalition have they not alienated? Its like they want to erase the coalition.
Giordano is referring not to Sanders himself, but to his most fervent online followers, who have blasted away at everyone from John Lewis to Delores Huerta to Elizabeth Warren, and most recently Barney Frank, for failing to support Bernies political revolution, or worse, for backing Hillary Clinton, who is loathed by a swath of the Sanders faithful. Giordano says he blames Sanders for the vituperative tendencies of his shock troops, and for failing to talk them down.
https://viralbuzz.today/the-dailybest/meet-al-giordano-the-man-who-wants-to-take-bernie-down
Orsino
(37,428 posts)bigtree
(94,269 posts)...there's not a hell of a lot you can goddamn do about it.
"Giordano says the one thing that would stop him from running would be if Sanders changes his tone and makes a serious effort at unifying the party and bringing his supporters around in time for the Democratic National Convention."
Orsino
(37,428 posts)But I interrupted a snit. Sorry.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)barb that post jacked you up with?
Please tell me you're not that thick.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...to stoop so low, to invoke imagery of child abuse to defend a politician, doesn't deserve a straightforward response.
This is the representation of the Sanders campaign that you're pushing? Junior high school insults? No need to further explore where your head is at.
B.L.O.C.K.E.D.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)and then see what he does to bring his supporters around. If he keeps claiming the election was fraudulent or will contest the convention, then I'm with you.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)bigtree
(94,269 posts)...come, join my block party.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Get over it dude...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the Progressive Caucus. The OP finds that to be offensive and destructive.
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #99)
forjusticethunders This message was self-deleted by its author.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Unless he's been elected President.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And I will laugh in your fucking face.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)
texstad79
(115 posts)its not over as long as SBS keeps the option of a super delegate coup on the table. 
JI7
(93,618 posts)Response to bigtree (Original post)
Post removed
cui bono
(19,926 posts)and enthusiasm and energy.
What would the media have covered were it not for him? What issues would have been discussed were it not for him?
He brought our most important issues to the forefront - that big money controls our govt and election finance reform - and you should be thankful for that.
Your anger and bitterness is not becoming and in fact, is turning you into the 'enemy' of progressive and liberal policy. You've just picked a guy who is basing his run on supporters of Bernie and a man who has hardly ever even voted for a president. And you want this guy in the senate over Bernie???
You really need to sit back and reassess, or take a long vacation and get over your anger. You have really jumped the shark.
.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)blah blah blah
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Everyone knows it's not serious. Now if Sanders does the unthinkable... I'll personally campaign for Al.
That people seriously think Sanders is going to the convention speaks of their judgement.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)I know you have until the 16th to post this stuff, but it wouldn't kill people to stop being divisive now.
Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Is loved in Vermont. Even by Republicans in the state.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,853 posts)Let's give Bernie some space and see if he does the right thing.
Eric J in MN
(35,639 posts)Maybe Clinton supporters shouldn't consider Giordano a peer.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)I can really see the Clinton crew is hellbent on blowing out hundreds of thousands of votes, if not millions, come November. This post is vile trolling.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)And then they will turn and blame the left if they lose in november, insisting it is time to go more right wing.
And if they win in november, they will take it as a signal to move more right.
Basically, they want to move more to the right because our politicians class interest is not with the majority of the country.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Those that Have and don't want the Have Nots to get anything of their's. Just like the wealthy on the other side.
adigal
(7,581 posts)
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)JI7
(93,618 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)I don't see that happening, bigtree. But, if you want to waste your money, that's your privilege.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'm sure the people of Vermont will welcome your efforts to overthrow the corrupt reign of Bernie Sanders in the spirit they are offered and respond appropriately.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)I'm not too familiar with Vermont's voters, but they probably prefer a candidate who lives within a thousand miles of Vermont. Or maybe even live in the same country. Some voters are funny like that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the "chosen one". Gave her a run for her money (lol her money $150,000,000). How dare he actually participate in the election process. And he stirred up millions of people now demanding a corruption free government. Why that will really piss off the Authoritarian leaders and we can't have that.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...political opposition = hate in almost every projection from that camp.
Not surprised to see you echo all of that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)much?
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...I got that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)help against the Republicons you still attack. What do progressives want that gets you so fired up?
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...this is about one progressive.
Why is Sanders against the majority of the congressional progressive caucus he founded (all but two members supporting Hillary)?
democrattotheend
(12,011 posts)They are Trump supporters.
And even they admit he's a good man; they just don't agree with him.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Bernie will be the Senator from Vermont as long as he wants the position. I spend a lot of time in Vermont and they LOVE him!!!!!!
libodem
(19,288 posts)Bitter AND spiteful. Congratulations on your win.
You represent your candidate's character well.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)You could post that same remark under posts of just about any one of her supporters on DU and it would apply as equally there as it did here.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...advocating on behalf of your candidate?
Or, just engaging in a personal attack?
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)You started a thread advocating Sanders be primaried by some nobody who's only voted twice in his life and doesn't even live in Vermont. The only reason you're doing this is because you're pissed that the man had the absolute, unbelievable gall to run against your entitled candidate. And you expect people to treat you with respect here?
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...yours and Dandy's are personal attacks, plain and simple,
I love the way you made up your own narrative about what I believe and proceeded to argue against it. You're on firmer ground arguing against Sanders' would-be challenger than just trying to push me around on this thread.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)This is a bitter and spiteful post, just as a huge majority of the other posts by Clinton supporters are today on DU. I've seen very little of this kind of attack anywhere else on the net.
My agreement with Lib's post is not a personal attack but a factual observation of a majority of the postings on DU discussing Bernie and his supporters.
Move on already.
bigtree
(94,269 posts)...your responses in this thread are nothing but a personal attacks.
Wrapping that up in prevarication and deflection onto other posters doesn't make them anything more pathetic baiting.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Pointing out FACTS-the bitter and spiteful posts populating DU today is NOT a personal attack.
Deflection? LOL!!! Lots of projection there. Your OP is unadulterated flamebait. Look up thread at all your compatriots piling on.
My only other post in this thread, before you posted to mine, was about the non-viability of an out-of-state individual moving to VT specifically to primary a well loved public figure who's lived in VT for 45+ years. The very apt term for that is carpetbagging.
Go fish somewhere else. Done giving this kicks.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)
The tit-for-tat is silly
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)He might be a thorn in Clinton's side.
You really want that?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Bernie is in the catbird seat. He is atop a YUGE movement of independents and progressives -- voters needed to beat Trump.
pa28
(6,145 posts) UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Doubt he stands much of a chance against Bernie in Vermont but good luck to him.
StevieM
(10,578 posts)There is no reason for this. Bernie has run a good campaign and he is not a disgraced figure.
Eight years ago there were people trying to rub Hillary's face in the dirt. They looked ridiculous by the time of the convention.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)a smart tough Black or Latino democratic women runs, in which case she has my vote. That would be poetic justice.
Response to bigtree (Original post)
rjsquirrel This message was self-deleted by its author.
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)Rachel talked about it on her show last night - he has the highest approval rating of anyone in the U.S. Senate!
bigtree
(94,269 posts)... a popular incumbency is insurmountable?
Is that really a good defense from a revolutionary campaign?
Response to bigtree (Original post)
Post removed