I'm happily surprised by Hillary's margin of victory in CA.

[YouDig]

I thought it would be close. But a commanding victory in CA is a great way to seal the deal. A very clear signal from voters: the people want Hillary.

Bernie's out of arguments at this point. Every time there was a "super Tuesday" he talked about how he was going to win, this was going to the the turning point where the "real people" make their voices heard. And every time he lost by a lot.

He was really building up CA. Biggest state, very diverse, open primary, everything. And then Hilary wins by double digits. Bernie's last argument is gone.

[boston bean]

1. It turned out to be California or Bust for Bernie.... and the latter it was.

[YouDig]

2. Truthfully it would have been Bust anyway. This just makes it a lot cleaner.

He can't credibly try and argue that "the people" really want him. His open primary argument is soundly defeated. His "momentum" is gone. It's over.

[riversedge]

3. I am happy -and surprised by the HUGGGGGGGGGGE Hillary victory

[liberal N proud]

4. He even had help from the media trying to make the race close

The talking heads all tried to make it close so they had more to talk about.

[Adrahil]

5. Me too. I predicted a narrow Clinton victory. NT

[Surya Gayatri]

6. As I observed in another thread:

The irony is heavy.

Bern spent nearly a month and millions of dollars to win CA, only to end up with practically the same losing point spread as he had back in January.

Great campaign strategy there.

[Jarqui]

7. Ah yes, let's ignore the impact on the CA primary vote when

AP prematurely called the overall primary the day before the vote on a survey of supersaturates who do not actually vote until July 25th, leaving many Sanders voters to think their vote was pointless.

Ignoring that is really smart, right ?

[YouDig]

8. You think that had more of an effect on Bernie voters than Hillary voters? I don't see why.

I think it probably helped Bernie. It angered some Berners and angry people vote.

[Jarqui]

12. The elderly rich folks voted in advance of their cruise vacation for Hillary

The young millennials who support Sanders faced a choice of voting for Sanders when they'd been told by the AP it was pointless or going out and having some fun or doing something that was productive.

Hillary votes would be inclined to vote to be a part of the coordination. Sanders voters would be less inclined to vote for a losing cause.

The AP announcement wasn't accidental. It's just smells of another Clinton dirty trick.

[YouDig]

15. That's one theory with no evidence.

Another theory is that Hillary supporters got complacent when they thought she won, and Bernie supporters got mad and went out to vote. After all, it's the Berners who always think that the media is conspiring against them, why would they believe when the AP called it?

[Jarqui]

16. You got some reason. Here's some evidence:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-voting-problems-20160607-snap-htmlstory.html

http://boingboing.net/2016/06/03/california-democratic-primary.html

How California is being Stolen from Sanders right now
http://www.gregpalast.com/
Placebo Ballots: Stealing California from Bernie

I could go on but it's like bashing my head against a brick wall. Hillary supporters will put on the blinders and waddle on. Like usual, I'll get a whole bunch of excuses or misdirection to evade the issue.

I've been following primaries since the 60s. This is the dirtiest I've ever witnessed and it's all coming from one side: Clinton, the corrupt DNC she owns and the media she effectively has significant control/sway with.

All the lies. All the voting irregularities. It stinks to high heaven ... and I began 2015 supporting her.

I'm sure there will be a swath of dismissive posts with little behind them. Have at it.

This whole thing smells bad. It's not a very historic result when you look more closely and objectively at how she got there.

Now I get to deliberate my choice:
A) Support Hillary to lie to me for four more years
B) Support The Donald to lie to me for four more years

I'm so excited about confronting that kind of future I can't contain myself. Maybe if I just lie to myself .....

[justiceischeap]

9. As someone else explained in another post, Clinton garnered 400,000 early ballot votes

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that's pretty much her lead in CA. Those votes were cast before this AP nonsense.

So you're saying that over 400,000 of Bernie's ardent supporters just gave the hell up at crunch time?

[Demsrule86]

19. Bernie assumes all his supporters were going to vote

I never thought that. First of all, many didn't register in time...and those that requested a ballot may have requested the wrong one which meant they had to show up in person and turn in their mailed ballot...that is much to ask of young voters or any voters...his fault for having a lousy ground game. In 08 and 12...we concentrated on getting out the early vote in all elections...we got those ballots mailed in and got people to take advantage of early in-person voting...it is how you win. Many things can go wrong on election day including long lines or illness...this puts the vote in the ballot box no matter what.

[Blue_Adept]

13. Something like 65% of the vote was mail-in ballots from weeks ago

You're overestimating the impact severely.

[texstad79]

10. Not me!

I had it pegged as 10 to 15 points. SBS would have done well to keep it to single digits.

[Hokie]

11. You could make a case that the AP call helped Bernie and hurt Hillary

Clinton did much better on early voter and Sanders was closer in walkup votes. Honestly who knows? I suspect the effect was down in the noise. I think Hillary clinched the wins with the foreign policy speech. The timing and message were excellent.

[Demsrule86]

18. No you couldn't. Just the opposite

AP called the race on Monday...the mail-in ballots were already in route. This gave her a huge early lead which he never recovered from and would not have been affected by the AP call. If his voters didn't vote then it is on him...you have to have a ground game...maybe he should have spent money on that instead of uuuuuuuuuge rallies.

[yellowcanine]

14. WP this morning said "tight race in California."

Now granted, the Post's deadline was likely about 10 pm, but even by that time it should have been apparent that it was not a tight race and even if not - wording to the effect that California results were still coming in at press time would have been more honest.

[Demsrule86]

17. I am too.

I can't help but think Bernie supporters treatment of the California senators...Feinstein and Boxer contributed to this. Nevada was a disgrace.