Sanders should use defeat like Hillary did in 2008

[Shankapotomus]

As a springboard to victory (in this case his political heir like E. Warren) in the presidential election eight years from now.

I noticed that Clinton's staff and voters are welcoming of Sanders and his ideas.

Sanders and his supporters should use that--- as Hillary did with the Obama administration--- to empower and reinforce his platform so it's even stronger the next election instead of knocking Hillary down.

Would Hillary have won this time around if she had been combative with the Obama administration?

Just some thoughts.

[TeacherB87]

1. I don't want an 80 year old president.

And I imagine that would be a huge issue in 8 years if he ran again. He won't do it. The kind of victory he should be seeking is shifting the positions of the Democrats so that they more authentically represent their progressive base.

[Shankapotomus]

3. I said his "political heir"

I realize Bernie would be too old by then.

My point was Sanders and his supporters should use the fact that the Clinton campaign is welcoming to his ideas to advance and strengthen an alternative platform within the Democratic Party.

[TeacherB87]

5. My mistake

I agree

[Hortensis]

13. He no doubt will, but his way as he sees it.

Unfortunately, his mindset only seems to see differences instead of commonality, so it also seems likely he will continue to do what he can to increase his leverage, i.e., force more agreement on what he sees as positive change from the party. In the end, he says he will do everything he can to stop Trump, though.

[tritsofme]

2. He is too old to realistically mount a 2024 campaign.

Not a knock, just a fact of life, I would say the same of Hillary.

[Shankapotomus]

4. See post #3

of this thread.

[ILikeTurtles2]

9. How old is Jane?

[democrattotheend]

6. Give him a few days

It took Hillary a few days in 2008 to come to terms with defeat and concede. Like Bernie, she felt that she had been robbed, both because she felt the process was rigged (she spent a lot of time complaining about caucuses and proportional delegates and talking about the mythical "popular vote", if you recall) and because she felt that Obama had "jumped in line". She did ultimately come around, as I hope Bernie will, but I do not appreciate the way some of her supporters (not saying you are one of them) are demanding more of him than she herself did in 2008.

[Hortensis]

14. Sorry, but no. In 2008 more people voted for HRC.

Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan, but that hardly means the Michiganer votes for Hillary should be trashed in this consideration. More people voted for Hillary period.

Another difference between 2016 and 2008 is that in 2008 there was less than 1% difference in the popular vote as counted.

[democrattotheend]

15. It doesn't matter how close it was

At the end of the day, she had lost. Whether by 1% or 50%, it was clear on the night of the last primary that she had lost.

And her calculations of the popular vote not only included Michigan, but also excluded voters in caucus states for which raw vote totals were not available (but could have been estimated). Hillary felt very strongly that Michigan voters should be counted, but not so strongly about the voters of Iowa and many other caucus states.

[mythology]

19. Actually it does

It's not exactly a valid comparison if one person gets to use the population of 48 states and the other 50 states. Obama didn't campaign in Florida either due to the rules. No votes from either Florida or Michigan can honestly be included in the 2008 counts.

[Hortensis]

20. What? Democracy doesn't matter?

You might want to rethink that. Or not as your personality inclines.

In the end, she lost the election because a critical number of superdelegates switched to Obama, but she won the popular vote count by a tiiiiny but real margin.

[texstad79]

7. Don't think thats his personality type

He seems to be more in the lone wolf category.

[SwampG8r]

8. Whatdoyoumean?

Force his way into her administration hire banned consultants run a secret hidden server to avoid foia.requests all while hiding his family foundations business with arms dealers.worldwide?

[LexVegas]

11. ...

[Brickbat]

10. Buiding a legacy like that takes time, money and effort.

Someone whose role has been a gadfly for decades might not take to that very well.

[hollowdweller]

12. I'd like to see Sanders stay in the Senate

I'd like to see the dems do away with the Superdelegates.

Would like to see Clinton promise not to appoint anyone who works for banks or hedge funds.

Would also like to see Clinton promise to not send troops w/o support of congress and not large numbers of troops w/o a declaration of war.

If Sanders could get those 3 things I think I would be happy.

[auntpurl]

16. I genuinely think these are fair requests.

Personally, I would also like us not to go to war without an international coalition.

And I would like her to work to get Citizens United trashed as soon as possible. And make it one of her biggest litmus tests for appointed SC justices.

I say these things as a Hillary supporter.

[ljm2002]

17. So he should angle for SOS?

I could live with that.

[Shankapotomus]

18. Did not think of that, but why not?

That, or maybe UN ambassador?

[HumanityExperiment]

21. Here's a thought...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/democratic-platform-fight/index.html