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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:51 PM Jun 2016

New York Times: Hillary Clinton Made History, but Bernie Sanders Stubbornly Ignored It*

*Note to jury: this is an op-ed in the New York Times.

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By MICHAEL BARBARO and YAMICHE ALCINDORJUNE 8, 2016

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In a speech of striking stubbornness, he ignored the history-making achievement of his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, who became the first woman in American history to clinch the presidential nomination of a major political party.

Mr. Sanders waited until 15 minutes into his speech to utter Mrs. Clinton’s name. He referred, almost in passing, to a telephone conversation in which he had congratulated her on her victories. At that, the crowd of more than 3,000 inside an aging airport hangar booed loudly. Mr. Sanders did little to discourage them.

Tuesday was, undeniably, Mrs. Clinton’s night, a milestone for women in politics and civic life 95 years after the 19th Amendment guaranteed their right to vote.


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At almost every turn, he was grudging toward Mrs. Clinton, passing up a chance to issue the kind of lengthy salute that many, in and out of the Democratic Party, had expected and craved.

“It’s a blown opportunity to build bridges that are going to be extremely important in the fall,” said David Gergen, an adviser to four presidents, both Democratic and Republican. He worried that Mr. Sanders was becoming “a grumpy old man.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?_r=0

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New York Times: Hillary Clinton Made History, but Bernie Sanders Stubbornly Ignored It* (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 OP
More..... Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #1
So a racist, basically. Station to Station Jun 2016 #15
thank you for posting this niyad Jun 2016 #2
It's clear, from him and the Politico piece today, that he really hates her. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #3
.. on top of that he claimed Clinton called HIM and not vice versa... Not the person I thought he wa uponit7771 Jun 2016 #4
Dumb. Orsino Jun 2016 #5
Wonderful! I think President Obama was a spectacular president. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #9
This ^^^^^^^^^^^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2016 #27
k+r Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #6
He missed a moment of relevancy. It's gone now. Shame. boston bean Jun 2016 #7
yes, and moments by definition are fleeting. So why dwell on it? race is over. floppyboo Jun 2016 #32
The Money Shot: Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #8
I wonder what their DU handles are. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #12
The quoted comments bring to mind something one might have seen on the Twilight Zone. Station to Station Jun 2016 #16
Agreed. For many, it's their first real election cycle. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #20
Sad to see mcar Jun 2016 #10
Thanks for the link Raastan Jun 2016 #11
Sad commentary. He had neither the grace nor the generosity of spirit to seize the moment. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #13
stubborn ignorance sperk49 Jun 2016 #14
I give you 2 weeks LOL snooper2 Jun 2016 #24
Yes he did. And ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #17
He can acknowledge her historic achievement in a different venue, with a different geek tragedy Jun 2016 #18
whats in being the 1st woman? an empty award larkrake Jun 2016 #19
"so did Hills audience when Bernie was mentioned" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #23
That is completely untrue. auntpurl Jun 2016 #25
No, Hillary's crowd was classy lunamagica Jun 2016 #26
"they booed, so did Hills audience when Bernie was mentioned" - blatantly untrue nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #31
Cool story, bro. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #33
That's not actually factual. MineralMan Jun 2016 #34
Compare Hillary and Sanders' speeches last night. Beacool Jun 2016 #21
It was an amazing contrast, and I'd bet Hillary was not surprised by Bernie's response. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #30
Old Gray Lady's wrong. Clinton won the nomination but Sanders won the debate. ancianita Jun 2016 #22
Dream on. Those things Bernie talks about? She has bee fighting for them since she was in college. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #28
Yeah Hilliary has been fighting for them for a very long time. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #35
its mind boggling jcgoldie Jun 2016 #29
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. More.....
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016
Freddie Paull, a 26-year-old filmmaker from Glendale, Calif., was not interested in milestones. He said he thought Mrs. Clinton was a crook. “She could be indicted literally tomorrow if the system is not corrupt,” he said.

“I would love to see a woman in office,” he added. “But I do not want to see Hillary Clinton in office, because she has no honor.”

Should Mr. Sanders drop out, he said, he was prepared to vote for Mr. Trump.
15. So a racist, basically.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jun 2016

A bigoted, hateful racist. I'll remember that name, in the unlikely event his filmmaking career goes anywhere.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
4. .. on top of that he claimed Clinton called HIM and not vice versa... Not the person I thought he wa
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

... was at the beginning of the primary

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
5. Dumb.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

Paying attention to history is why Sanders decided so late in his career to run for president. The movement is several years old, and has its first successful candidate on the national stage. Instead, the party is nominating a candidate whose agenda is pretty much the same as our current president's, with extra doses of Wall Street and hawkishness.

Politics as usual would be ignoring history. Let's see what our presumptive nominee manages to achieve with the delegates Sanders is bringing to Philly. Will our platform look any different this years, or will she turn her back on change?

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
9. Wonderful! I think President Obama was a spectacular president.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jun 2016

Of the last century he's been:
One of the most popular.
One of the greatest achievers.
Was the first of just about any minority group to make it to the highest office we have.
all of this AND minimized and marginalized a Republican Majority that held both chambers of congress for most of his 2 terms.

Hillary Clinton embraced this highly popular president, Sanders and his surrogates.. not so much. Perhaps.. just perhaps.. the attacks on him and his character is what really kept Bernie from making the win?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
32. yes, and moments by definition are fleeting. So why dwell on it? race is over.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jun 2016

this 'moment' was ruined as a special event months ago by all the supporters and MSM saying it was over. Make your bed and lie in it, as my elders said.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. The Money Shot:
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016
Freddie Paull, a 26-year-old filmmaker from Glendale, Calif., was not interested in milestones. He said he thought Mrs. Clinton was a crook. “She could be indicted literally tomorrow if the system is not corrupt,” he said.

“I would love to see a woman in office,” he added. “But I do not want to see Hillary Clinton in office, because she has no honor.”

Should Mr. Sanders drop out, he said, he was prepared to vote for Mr. Trump.

Amid chants of “Bernie or Bust” and loud boos as election results rolled in, Alison Bacon, an actress living in Los Angeles, assailed Mrs. Clinton for having proclaimed victory before the Democratic Party had formally bestowed it on her at the convention.

“I think it’s absolutely unjust, undemocratic, un-American,” she said. “What kind of example is that setting?”
16. The quoted comments bring to mind something one might have seen on the Twilight Zone.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016

The notion that it's "undemocratic" to declare victory before the convention as though it doesn't happen in every single election is just absurd. It is unsettling that people who pay no attention whatsoever have the ability to shape a country; the ignorance equals the most backward Republican stalwart, just in a different way.

That doesn't apply to all or even a large percentage of Bernie supporters, by the way; even the best candidates will attract a small fringe of idiots, and there is indeed something strikingly idiotic about those comments.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
20. Agreed. For many, it's their first real election cycle.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

But there's a difference between not knowing how the process works due to lack of experience and pleading ignorance or intentionally refusing to learn anything about it that might interrupt the narrative. Unfortunately, we seem to get a lot of the latter. Some seem to almost revel in not understanding how any of this works.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. Sad commentary. He had neither the grace nor the generosity of spirit to seize the moment.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

His historical reputation will be forever besmirched.

sperk49

(2 posts)
14. stubborn ignorance
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016

Presumptive Democratic Nominee is under FBI investigation and her supporters stubbornly ignore it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. He can acknowledge her historic achievement in a different venue, with a different
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

audience.

I had no problem with him not endorsing tonight, or whatever. His people need to be let down slowly.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
19. whats in being the 1st woman? an empty award
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

of coarse they booed, so did Hills audience when Bernie was mentioned. What tripe this article is.

The problems in this country are from both Clinton's policies- you expect any of us to cheerlead someone like that? Not going to happen. only the "women" voters are going to be happy to push that button in the voting booth, the rest feel they have no choice.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
23. "so did Hills audience when Bernie was mentioned"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

Actually, no. Watch it again.

Or for the first time, for that matter.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
26. No, Hillary's crowd was classy
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

and so was Hillary. They cheered and applauded when she talked about him.

Sanders and his crowd? Petty and classless

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
34. That's not actually factual.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary's audience cheered when she thanked Bernie. I saw it live. I heard it clearly.

I also saw Bernie's speech this morning. I heard the boos.

It's all very clear and audible.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
21. Compare Hillary and Sanders' speeches last night.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary had just achieved what no other woman had achieved in this country, she became the first woman to be the presumptive nominee of a major political party. Yet, she found time to be gracious and speak of Sanders in glowing terms. She set the example and those in attendance cheered at the mention of his name.

Sanders, by contrast, never spoke of the historical significance of Hillary's win and promised to take it all the way to the convention. His supporters followed his sour lead and booed Hillary.

Poor form and no class, let alone the grace and common courtesy that a true leader needed to exhibit.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. Dream on. Those things Bernie talks about? She has bee fighting for them since she was in college.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jun 2016

Those things he talks about? They are issues that Democrats have been work for a lot longer than Bernie has been talking about them.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
35. Yeah Hilliary has been fighting for them for a very long time.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jun 2016

Since the time when she was a Goldwater Girl!

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
29. its mind boggling
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jun 2016

I'm a basketball fan and I keep envisioning a postgame press conference in which the losing coach vows to "fight on." Uhm coach Bernie, the games over... you lost. Not until I say so it isn't!

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