2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton May Take The Nomination But Sanders Has Won The Debate
Harvard researchers found that Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 have actually become more progressive over the course of the campaign. Sanders hasnt merely won a seat at the table, hes started a sea change in Democratic politics that the party will have to adjust to.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-may-take-the-nomination-but-sanders-has-won-the-debate/2016/06/07/15d59474-2c1b-11e6-b5db-e9bc84a2c8e4_story.html?postshare=3011465301295580&tid=ss_mail
calguy
(5,304 posts)Now let's get together and Dump Trump.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)You're right.
It's still good to know that, despite the media blackout, some major news sources are giving thought and reporting the actual facts of why Sanders is staying for the long term, and why Obama and Clinton need him.
adigal
(7,581 posts)to places she likely wouldn't have gone on her own.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)presumably enjoy it, unless of course you are against moral victories and feel they all have to be immoral.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)She will do as she likes regardless of the consequences.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)but the op is correct
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)She won.
She won she won she won.
She won.
Yes, Sanders contributed to the debate and moved things in the correct direction.
But, she won.
PJMcK
(22,025 posts)She won.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Al Gore has been an active spokesperson for climate change for over 20 years.
Etc.
These are not new ideas.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie's talking points are actually all issues that Democrats have been working towards for years. The difference is, most of Bernie's supporters have never been been involved enough to understand that. And actually, numbers indicate otherwise about those independent voters.
The odd thing is that Hillary has been working on these issues since she was a college student. Bernie just opened his mouth about these issues a couple of years ago. Sanders will have little to say about what Hillary says and does.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)Most millennials have been working at progressive issues since before they had the national visibility of Bernie Sanders. And they will after.
Hillary worked as observer and helper. She never wrote or led major legislation that helped anyone but Schumer's 9/11 constituents in New York as her senior legislative leader.
It's really the Hillary people who know don't know what she's worked on. I've studied her record. A lot of help. Little else.
You don't know if Sanders will have little to say, since she's invited him, Obama's called him and the convention program validates his 30+ year debate.
What ignorant dismissal. No wonder you harden your in-party opposition.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)He's hardly been a leader during his time in Congress.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)ancianita
(36,017 posts)Hillary's bills -- something historic -- signed into law:
1. S.3145 Designated a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the Timothy J. Russert Highway.
2. S.3613 Designated the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the Major George Quamo Post Office Building.
3. S.1241 Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act
Bernie's bills signed into law:
1. S.885 The first of these renamed a post office in Vermont.
2. S.893 Increased compensation for disabled veterans and their families.
One fewer signed law for Bernie, a LOT more weight for veterans' benefits.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Yep, Obama has called him. On Sunday telling him that he sounds like a bitter person, then to ask him to come to the WH so he can tell him again to give it up and probably to ask him why he had such a low-class speech last night.
I too know what she has done. She has worked her ass off for years. She IS a Democrat.
adigal
(7,581 posts)under the chair, eavesdropping, since you speak about what he said with such authority?
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Hillary didnt work her ass off for years, others worked their asses off to give her the election and prayed she would not keep placing her foot in her mouth too often. They all cleared the road for any obstruction. They did not plan on Bernie, but it is easy to switch his voters party affiliation, own the media and declare her the winner to destroy the CA turnout.
Corporations and wall st can do anything to rig elections. She is going to have to prove she is a democrat- I have not seen it in her past. She is a Goldwater girl at heart and actions
larkrake
(1,674 posts)yake foot from mouth Tonyt, you just stepped in it
larkrake
(1,674 posts)policy wise.
6chars
(3,967 posts)She is somewhat in favor of free trade, with some reasonable limitations. No, she does not want or believe in more wars or poison water. It is odd when people say things like that.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)No discussion of the poor. What about global warming and that Keystone Pipeline Obama and Hillary liked? Obama is promoting the TPP. Hillary and Obama both are very friendly with Wall Street. Hillary may talk the talk, but she hasn't walked the walk. Bernie has been pushing for the little guy for 40 years. How easily people change facts to fit their worldview.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)LexVegas
(6,050 posts)jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)FIFY
ancianita
(36,017 posts)ancianita
(36,017 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Someone said something about "never, ever".
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The movement which Sanders embodies could be dated back to Occupy, and in Sanders it has its first candidate of national prominence.
Sanders has "lost" the primary, but getting here is a victory in itself. The revolution is going to be televised, at least a little, at the convention. There is opportunity for big change, and by running, Sanders has given it a platform.
Inequality is growing, and therefore so is the movement. In the next election, and the one after, we will see it gain influence.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)meaningful role at the convention? Knowing how the DNC operates, I can honestly see them giving him and his supporters 15 minutes at 3AM. No way does the party want to shine any kind of a spotlight on the only candidate who has the backs of the 99%.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)so while bernie energized millions of new and disenfranchised voters, there isn't anyone of note in the government or on the ballot to advance his vision.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He has reinforced the widespread view that the left is full of entitled privileged white people who don't believe in elcectoral democracy unless it goes their way. He went way past making any kind of point.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)and concentration in this country, and all that results from it. That is what got him as far as he got, and that is an important message. The rest of what he had to say, a lot of it seemed just appended to check off boxes, was not as compelling to voters and he did not convince enough that he personally would be a good president.
But in the forum about whether or not there is too much wealth concentration in this country, Bernie's issue won the day. Hopefully that will bump the country toward action in the right direction on this issue.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)That's the nature of politics.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)...and then some. And if he backs out of doing any debates with her, then it just becomes a feces throwing fight. Says Yoda, "Ugly it's going to be."
ancianita
(36,017 posts)All Hill has to do is say, "Please proceed..." and he'll beat himself.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)I think he will avoid debates, or drop out or the RNC will vote in someone who doesnt trigger as badly as Trump