2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI just watched Jeff Toobin on CNN
He says all this coddling of Bernie Sanders is sickening! The guy lost he said. Said someone needs to tell him to get on board to defeat Trump or don't. No being held hostage.
I agreed with this.
The panel all agreed the President would deliver this message tomorrow. But probably in a more delicate way.
Response to boston bean (Original post)
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boston bean
(36,186 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)I watched the same CNN clip u did and Toobin did not lay things out like u say he did.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Response to boston bean (Reply #20)
highprincipleswork This message was self-deleted by its author.
apcalc
(4,461 posts)And it was way closer.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and I was on the other side of the isle.
annavictorious
(934 posts)doesn't mean it didn't happen.
The first calls for Hillary to get out of the race came in February 2008, when she was 7 delegates behind Obama.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/time-for-hillary-to-drop-out/
http://trainwreckpolitics.com/2008/02/20/its-time-for-hillary-clinton-to-drop-out-of-the-race/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/28/clinton.dropout.calls/index.html?eref=rss_latest
https://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com/2008/02/
Now don't you feel silly with all that "her ladyship" egg on your face, especially given the fact that your candidate feels entitled to a nomination he didn't win?
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Should be a reasonable expectation.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
QC
(26,371 posts)boston bean
(36,186 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... your pledge to be a "bigger person in the face of Hillary-hate" meant that you'd no longer criticize Bernie on anything, big or small, under any circumstances, no matter what, come hell or high-water.
It appears to be another instance of having unrealistic expectations and reading more into your words than it obviously meant. And that apparently means that you shouldn't agree with any pundits or analysts either.
Just goes to show ... you can't please everyone.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)was wound up.
jftr - I don't think the meeting with the Pres is about the timing for dropping out. I think BS needs help to retire his debts and he will be looking for help in that regard. He can't go to DWS or the DNC because of his attacks on her and the party so he is going to DWS's boss instead.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)he needs debt retirement relief.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I question some of the stuff in the Politico article that was posted last night, but one thing that seemed believable is that he has insisted throughout the campaign that they keep $10 million in reserve, because he knew he would not have the means to pay off a huge debt personally. His advisers were forced to cut the ad buy in Kentucky because of it. Unless things have changed this last month, he has been very prudent with campaign funds.
DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)April according to FEC reports.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)The FEC reports are monthly. The campaign knows what is coming in on a daily basis. He did not end April with a negative COH, did he?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Picking on him. It is the chip on the shoulder mentality.
I read somewhere his people saying, if Clinton hadn't gone after him for the gun votes, he wouldn't have gotten so negative. He was attacking her as establishment, Corporatist, TPP and any other thing saying it was just policy difference. She does it? It is personal and warrants him walking into his negative campaign.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I don't care if she lost by a smaller margin. She still lost. At the time of the last primary, it was abundantly clear that she had lost, and yet she took 4 days to concede. I will give her the benefit of the doubt and call it 3, because she announced her intention to concede on Friday.
In this case, there is still one more primary and Bernie will not win it and it would not make a difference if he did, but he promised to fight for every last vote and he is entitled to do so. He has not even been criticizing Hillary since last night, so I don't see what everyone is so worked up about.
I usually like Jeffrey Toobin, but this is bogus.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)She never threatened to "take it to the convention". You see a difference here?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Maybe she did not say it publicly, but she did spend time after the last primary feeling out supers to see if she had a shot at the convention.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)You see a difference?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)However, she waited 4 days after Obama had locked it up to concede, and then another week or two to start campaigning for him.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)She did not release all of her delegates (I don't believe she released any until shortly before the convention), and she was formally placed into nomination.
Taking it to the convention does not mean continuing to campaign against the presumptive nominee until the convention. It can, but it doesn't have to. Bernie may very well endorse Hillary, maybe even campaign for her, but hold onto his delegates until the convention. I don't see what's wrong with that. I actually liked that Hillary was formally nominated in 2008 and that they had a semi-contested roll call.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)She didn't threaten all summer long to take it to the convention to contest it.
Do you see a difference?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)That's what adults do. They don't cut off their noses to spite their faces.
I am saving my ire for the BBs who are still attacking Hillary here. I will give them no quarter.
MFM008
(19,776 posts)I was surprised . I think Sanders has a place and I dont believe anyone is begging.
I think he knows the score.....
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)These petulant threats from Sanders and his die hard entitled conspiracy theorists need to be met like all threats from bullies. Drum him out of the party and take away his committee assignments in the senate. He has no real power to deliver on his threats. A few million (at most, I suspect far less by November) entitled privileged radicals -- Susan Sarandon types -- who were never going to vote democratic anyway and have no actual concern for the less privileged.
Bullies need to be stood up to.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Give Sanders a week after the DC primary.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Corporate Democrats. Seems the Clinton devotees can't make up their minds if they want Sanders help or if they just love bashing him. We have a process and Sen Sanders is following the process.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)good thing. It's a shame, really.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)It's a bit much. You won. Enjoy the victory.