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boston bean

(36,186 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:40 PM Jun 2016

I just watched Jeff Toobin on CNN

He says all this coddling of Bernie Sanders is sickening! The guy lost he said. Said someone needs to tell him to get on board to defeat Trump or don't. No being held hostage.

I agreed with this.

The panel all agreed the President would deliver this message tomorrow. But probably in a more delicate way.

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I just watched Jeff Toobin on CNN (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #1
Excuse me while I LMAO at this. Either you got a really bad memory... or you paid no attention. LO boston bean Jun 2016 #2
hey Boston, quit spewing BS. dinkytron Jun 2016 #19
Uh, yeah he did. boston bean Jun 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #35
Many voices were calling for her to drop out, even before the voting was finished apcalc Jun 2016 #6
I was Obama and thrilled he won, but ya. Before the voting was done. That one bothered me seabeyond Jun 2016 #9
Just because you don't remember it, annavictorious Jun 2016 #21
Less than a day has passed. It's common for this to take time. After the DC primary... writes3000 Jun 2016 #3
+1 (NT) Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #33
Your vow to keep things positive didn't last long. n/t QC Jun 2016 #4
What did I say that is wrong? nt boston bean Jun 2016 #5
Absolutely nothing! My best guess is that this poster feels that ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #30
Jackie, it's been this way since I've hosted HoF. I don't think it will change anytime soon. boston bean Jun 2016 #36
well, (see below) HERVEPA Jun 2016 #16
I saw that and was a little surprised that Jeff DURHAM D Jun 2016 #7
Could very well be true. But I think he will get the advice whether he asks or not! Especially if boston bean Jun 2016 #10
I don't think he has a lot of debt democrattotheend Jun 2016 #13
He blew that rule in DURHAM D Jun 2016 #23
The campaign reserves may not match the FEC reserves democrattotheend Jun 2016 #29
I agree. This whole election has been coddling. He says whatever, but challenge, .... seabeyond Jun 2016 #8
And they didn't coddle Hillary in 2008? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #11
Umm, no. They did not coddle her. boston bean Jun 2016 #12
Many of her supporters were advocating that all summer democrattotheend Jun 2016 #14
She wasn't. She endorsed and worked her ass off for Obama all summer. boston bean Jun 2016 #18
Yes, I see a difference democrattotheend Jun 2016 #22
good then. boston bean Jun 2016 #24
May I also point out that Hillary actually DID take it to the convention in 2008? democrattotheend Jun 2016 #26
OMG. That is how it is done. boston bean Jun 2016 #27
Clinton has never been coddled. A lot of things, coddlin' isn't one of them. seabeyond Jun 2016 #15
It's not going to kill me to give him some space and if his ego needs to be stroked so be it... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #17
I saw that MFM008 Jun 2016 #25
Agreed rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #28
One last primary on Tuesday. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #31
Oh wow a panel on CNN all supported Clinton, what a surprise. CNN the Fox News for rhett o rick Jun 2016 #32
I would love his help. But I'm not fond of being held hostage by someone. He is squandering a real boston bean Jun 2016 #34
You're really hate Bernie. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #37
I agree with it too. And I don't understand why anyone is coddling him Number23 Jun 2016 #38

Response to boston bean (Original post)

dinkytron

(568 posts)
19. hey Boston, quit spewing BS.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jun 2016

I watched the same CNN clip u did and Toobin did not lay things out like u say he did.

Response to boston bean (Reply #20)

apcalc

(4,461 posts)
6. Many voices were calling for her to drop out, even before the voting was finished
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

And it was way closer.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. I was Obama and thrilled he won, but ya. Before the voting was done. That one bothered me
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

and I was on the other side of the isle.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
21. Just because you don't remember it,
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016

doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The first calls for Hillary to get out of the race came in February 2008, when she was 7 delegates behind Obama.

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/time-for-hillary-to-drop-out/
http://trainwreckpolitics.com/2008/02/20/its-time-for-hillary-clinton-to-drop-out-of-the-race/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/28/clinton.dropout.calls/index.html?eref=rss_latest
https://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com/2008/02/

Now don't you feel silly with all that "her ladyship" egg on your face, especially given the fact that your candidate feels entitled to a nomination he didn't win?

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
3. Less than a day has passed. It's common for this to take time. After the DC primary...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

Should be a reasonable expectation.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
30. Absolutely nothing! My best guess is that this poster feels that ...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

... your pledge to be a "bigger person in the face of Hillary-hate" meant that you'd no longer criticize Bernie on anything, big or small, under any circumstances, no matter what, come hell or high-water.

It appears to be another instance of having unrealistic expectations and reading more into your words than it obviously meant. And that apparently means that you shouldn't agree with any pundits or analysts either.

Just goes to show ... you can't please everyone.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
7. I saw that and was a little surprised that Jeff
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

was wound up.

jftr - I don't think the meeting with the Pres is about the timing for dropping out. I think BS needs help to retire his debts and he will be looking for help in that regard. He can't go to DWS or the DNC because of his attacks on her and the party so he is going to DWS's boss instead.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
10. Could very well be true. But I think he will get the advice whether he asks or not! Especially if
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

he needs debt retirement relief.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
13. I don't think he has a lot of debt
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jun 2016

I question some of the stuff in the Politico article that was posted last night, but one thing that seemed believable is that he has insisted throughout the campaign that they keep $10 million in reserve, because he knew he would not have the means to pay off a huge debt personally. His advisers were forced to cut the ad buy in Kentucky because of it. Unless things have changed this last month, he has been very prudent with campaign funds.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
29. The campaign reserves may not match the FEC reserves
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

The FEC reports are monthly. The campaign knows what is coming in on a daily basis. He did not end April with a negative COH, did he?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. I agree. This whole election has been coddling. He says whatever, but challenge, ....
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

Picking on him. It is the chip on the shoulder mentality.

I read somewhere his people saying, if Clinton hadn't gone after him for the gun votes, he wouldn't have gotten so negative. He was attacking her as establishment, Corporatist, TPP and any other thing saying it was just policy difference. She does it? It is personal and warrants him walking into his negative campaign.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
11. And they didn't coddle Hillary in 2008?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

I don't care if she lost by a smaller margin. She still lost. At the time of the last primary, it was abundantly clear that she had lost, and yet she took 4 days to concede. I will give her the benefit of the doubt and call it 3, because she announced her intention to concede on Friday.

In this case, there is still one more primary and Bernie will not win it and it would not make a difference if he did, but he promised to fight for every last vote and he is entitled to do so. He has not even been criticizing Hillary since last night, so I don't see what everyone is so worked up about.

I usually like Jeffrey Toobin, but this is bogus.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
12. Umm, no. They did not coddle her.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

She never threatened to "take it to the convention". You see a difference here?

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
14. Many of her supporters were advocating that all summer
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe she did not say it publicly, but she did spend time after the last primary feeling out supers to see if she had a shot at the convention.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
22. Yes, I see a difference
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jun 2016

However, she waited 4 days after Obama had locked it up to concede, and then another week or two to start campaigning for him.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
26. May I also point out that Hillary actually DID take it to the convention in 2008?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

She did not release all of her delegates (I don't believe she released any until shortly before the convention), and she was formally placed into nomination.

Taking it to the convention does not mean continuing to campaign against the presumptive nominee until the convention. It can, but it doesn't have to. Bernie may very well endorse Hillary, maybe even campaign for her, but hold onto his delegates until the convention. I don't see what's wrong with that. I actually liked that Hillary was formally nominated in 2008 and that they had a semi-contested roll call.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
27. OMG. That is how it is done.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

She didn't threaten all summer long to take it to the convention to contest it.

Do you see a difference?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
17. It's not going to kill me to give him some space and if his ego needs to be stroked so be it...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jun 2016

That's what adults do. They don't cut off their noses to spite their faces.

I am saving my ire for the BBs who are still attacking Hillary here. I will give them no quarter.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
25. I saw that
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jun 2016

I was surprised . I think Sanders has a place and I dont believe anyone is begging.
I think he knows the score.....

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
28. Agreed
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

These petulant threats from Sanders and his die hard entitled conspiracy theorists need to be met like all threats from bullies. Drum him out of the party and take away his committee assignments in the senate. He has no real power to deliver on his threats. A few million (at most, I suspect far less by November) entitled privileged radicals -- Susan Sarandon types -- who were never going to vote democratic anyway and have no actual concern for the less privileged.

Bullies need to be stood up to.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Oh wow a panel on CNN all supported Clinton, what a surprise. CNN the Fox News for
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

the Corporate Democrats. Seems the Clinton devotees can't make up their minds if they want Sanders help or if they just love bashing him. We have a process and Sen Sanders is following the process.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
34. I would love his help. But I'm not fond of being held hostage by someone. He is squandering a real
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

good thing. It's a shame, really.

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