2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy was California turnout so high in 08?
This year all we heard was California hadn't had a role in a generation.
leftinportland
(247 posts)In 2008 the primary was unusually early...in February.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)both for and against Obama.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It'd be interesting to know who excited the most haters by what margin, Hillary or Obama. I'd guess Obama might carry that honor, but I really have no idea.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Obama wasn't just exciting for 18-29 year olds. He also really excited professional class Democrats as well.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)He lost the state by over 400,000 votes.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)And he also lost by over 400,000 votes.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)That makes this year's CA possibly more competitive than '08.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)Democratic turnout has been WAY down this year, across the board. Hillary doesn't inspire people and get massive crowds like Obama did, the only one who did that this year was Bernie. But even Bernie couldn't match Obama in some aspects, like getting massive turnout.
That is why it is very puzzling to see people try and use Obama's unprecedented success as a yardstick for Hillary, because Hillary will be lucky to get a small slice of Obama's enthusiastic voters to go out and vote for her...she just is not that type of candidate. She only excites elderly and retired long time Democrats, not the youth, and not independents, like Obama did, in a massive way.
In short, Hillary ain't no Obama. Far from it.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Californians the way Obama did....even though she beat him by 400k in a high turn out primary. Oh, wait ...
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Yet I'm excited about her.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Sure Clinton isn't Obama, but Sanders isn't Clinton. I do think that Clinton learned from 2008 and is specifically avoiding the large rallies as those don't play to her strengths. She seems much more comfortable in smaller settings and it's obviously worked well enough to win the nomination.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's a disappointing outcome of this cycle.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Being one of the first primaries raised a lot of excitement.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the last time... and the AP did play an effect.
That was the last time we had a primary earlier in the cycle, the state just got tired of paying for it, and the parties will not, so there you go.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)in the process.
This year, everyone but the most die-hard Bernie people realized that the contest was decided by New York, at the latest. Even Bernie had said that New York was the key race -- till he lost it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Earlier primaries have higher turnout.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Two historic candidates, a despised incumbent, losing 2 elections in a row, and a failing economy.
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)between Obama and Clinton.
Clinton v Bernie while much closer than expected, just wasn't particularly competitive, Clinton was always the prohibitive favorite.
dubyadiprecession
(5,711 posts)turnout. Even with hillary's supposedly popular opponent, turnout was still down from 08'.
jamese777
(546 posts)Barack Obama got 17,584,692 popular votes nationwide and Hillary got 17,857,501.
In 2016 Hillary Clinton currently has 16,001,432 votes with some California Vote By Mail votes still being counted and the D.C. primary yet to go.
Skink
(10,122 posts)But reading the posts after work tonight, and they are all excellent points I am starting to believe this year voter suppression is real. I can't fathom how the major news outlets all had it about 2 points apart and then also we all know about the surge.