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Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:14 PM Jun 2016

Hillary should come out and end the drug war, espessially the war on Marijuana

It's a drop in the bucket proposal, but, it appeals to young people, older millennials (like myself), and it's just good policy. We shouldn't be locking people up for life because they grow a plant in their backyard.

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Hillary should come out and end the drug war, espessially the war on Marijuana (Original Post) Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 OP
I don't think she cares about these problems. atomingai Jun 2016 #1
Probably not, but I'm trying to be constructive Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #2
I understand. atomingai Jun 2016 #4
Kick bigwillq Jun 2016 #3
How will she fill those private prsions for perfidious profit? yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #5
Well of course she *should*.... villager Jun 2016 #6
She'll never do that. Her entire career is about creating business opportunities for corporations. Mika Jun 2016 #7
The irony is, legalization will spur the development of all sorts of industries. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #32
She should, but as pointed out, there is a financial/political calculus involved Hydra Jun 2016 #8
+1. Well said. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #28
LOL. Chan790 Jun 2016 #9
I'm just saying things I want and that would help earn my vote. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #16
Maybe it was sarcasm ... Trajan Jun 2016 #29
It was definitely warranted and necessary. Not sarcasm. Chan790 Jun 2016 #36
Most of the Old Guard of the Dem Party is totally truedelphi Jun 2016 #10
Those are poor people's problems davidn3600 Jun 2016 #11
It would cut into big pharma profits, so Clinton will not change anything... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #12
I think Hillary will move to the center/right very soon One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #13
I don't think she will go full neocon because of electability. I think she truly IS a neocon. w4rma Jun 2016 #33
Hillary is going to follow the people gollygee Jun 2016 #14
Congress has to do that bhikkhu Jun 2016 #15
Actually, the executive can initiate the process to deschedule cannabis from the CSA. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #17
I'm hoping that Obama will do it before he leaves office loyalsister Jun 2016 #26
That is not true the Feds have made raids in states where medical cannabis is legal. Ash_F Jun 2016 #18
Fewer in recent years. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #20
OK hopefully she will stick with that and go further. Ash_F Jun 2016 #21
Agree 100%. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #30
Agree. By coming out now for a full descheduling of marijuana she could get a lot of millennials Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #19
Pharma makes millions off of the drug war, and is one of Mrs Clinton's biggest donors Doctor_J Jun 2016 #22
She won't though Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #23
Well first she has to set up meetings with a Multinational Cannabis Lobbist and give some speech's. bahrbearian Jun 2016 #24
Unlikely BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #25
Her problem ... Trajan Jun 2016 #27
The simple fact of the matter is, authoritarians like DWS and Chris Christie can whine and cry Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #31
She won't. She's not a progressive coyote Jun 2016 #34
That would be a big win for her. So fucking easy, too. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
You are correct and Hillary has said the same Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #37
Look for her to cede this issue to The Donald. Scuba Jun 2016 #38
Shame if she does that, its an easy layup for her. Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #39
It would go a long way of earning my vote in November. B Calm Jun 2016 #40
Don't hold your breath. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #41
If she is a reflection of the Hillary supporters on du, I won't! B Calm Jun 2016 #43
I don't see that happening at all. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #42
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
2. Probably not, but I'm trying to be constructive
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jun 2016

And work on issues I personally care about now. This is an easy easy easy one.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
6. Well of course she *should*....
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

But given the center-right drift of most of her base, it's dubious she'll ever get around to it...

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
7. She'll never do that. Her entire career is about creating business opportunities for corporations.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jun 2016

Iraq, Libya, America. Doesn't matter.





Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. The irony is, legalization will spur the development of all sorts of industries.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:29 AM
Jun 2016

Not just marijuana but hemp, too. An environmentally friendly economic boom.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
8. She should, but as pointed out, there is a financial/political calculus involved
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:43 PM - Edit history (1)

The drug war is making a lot of people a lot of money and granting powers to the police that they should not have. The price is untold human misery...but that's holy in the minds of Republicans. If you aren't suffering, you aren't doing it right...or something.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
9. LOL.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary Rodham Clinton is a champion of the drug war...and personally profiting from it.

Clearly you have more sense than to suggest the selfish RW toadie actually do something because it's the right thing to do.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
16. I'm just saying things I want and that would help earn my vote.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jun 2016

Whether she does them or not is a completely different story.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
36. It was definitely warranted and necessary. Not sarcasm.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:32 AM
Jun 2016

Hoping for Hillary Clinton to end the drug war is like hoping Hillary Clinton will stop being a Wall St. lackey who was foisted on us by the establishment of the party, the media, and old people who aren't going to live long enough to reap the destruction they have passed on to later generations by handing the nomination to that abomination of a fake Democrat. She's just going to go on sucking the lifeblood out of Americans on the behalf of her friends on Wall St. and dragging away Americans for petty offenses to be incarcerated in the prisons of her friends in the for-profit prison industry.

In an earlier day and age, when the common folk encountered a vampire, they didn't give it the Democratic nomination...they drove a stake through its heart and lopped off its head.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
10. Most of the Old Guard of the Dem Party is totally
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

enthralled by Big Pharma. And the Clintons are among the worst of the worst.

Google "Lynnette Shaw" to find out how Janet Reno and Billie Boy ruined one activist's life.

Add to Big Pharma, the notion of helping the privatized Prison Industry, and you will soon realize that nether Clinton will ever be much of a help.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. Those are poor people's problems
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jun 2016

She doesn't care.

She supports the private prison industry. Her husband is a big part of why America today is the world's biggest jailer.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
12. It would cut into big pharma profits, so Clinton will not change anything...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton isn't about the 99% - she is about the the 1% like herself...

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
13. I think Hillary will move to the center/right very soon
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

She thinks she has to, to compete with Trump, and will try and out-muscle Trump, saying she will be ready and prepared to invade more countries, and that she wants to overthrow the evil dictator guy in Syria, and also she will move to the right on other issues as well.
Hillary and her campaign seem to think they can much more easily get right wingers and republicans who may not like Trump to vote for her - rather than the left, but I think they are very much mistaken.

Get ready for a lot of rhetoric reminiscent of the right wing, coming from Hillary soon...my prediction.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
33. I don't think she will go full neocon because of electability. I think she truly IS a neocon.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie exposed the "centrism" lie for the lie that it is.

And considering that the Republicans just rejected all of the neocon candidates for Trump, she'll just make herself more unpopular.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. Hillary is going to follow the people
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

If you want her to become active on that front, then people need to be active and show that it's a priority for most people. She follows on these kinds of things. Petitions, letter writing, protests, etc. She won't expend political capital on it. She'll only be in favor of it if she'd have to expend political capital to oppose it.

I have no doubt she will be in favor of marijuana decriminalization if she sees it is an important issue to the general population of the US.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
15. Congress has to do that
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

The executive branch can decline to enforce and let the states make their own decisions, as Obama generally has, but as far as legalizing that's up to congress. I think it will happen in my lifetime, but it will take awhile still - there's a lot of backwards people electing backwards representatives still in the US.

My own state, Oregon, legalized last year. One of the compromises was that local governments were allowed to opt out, also losing out on the tax revenue. My local government (perpetually underfunded and not too bright) did opt out, and a local referendum to reverse that also failed...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. Actually, the executive can initiate the process to deschedule cannabis from the CSA.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jun 2016

Admittedly, it's a more straightforward deal when congress does it, but the POTUS has significant power as head of the exec. branch.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2015/02/13-how-to-reschedule-marijuana-hudak-wallack



Then there's the bully pulpit aspect too.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
26. I'm hoping that Obama will do it before he leaves office
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

He seems to be issueing quite a few commutations and pardons over the past year or so. I'm cautiously optimistic that that is what has been his motivation and that he may take it further.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. Fewer in recent years.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

You have the Cole memo as well as explicit direction from congress to the DEA not to interfere in states where medical mj is legal.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. Agree 100%.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jun 2016

I live in a state that is now pulling in several times the projected revenue in taxes from legal marijuana, and as someone who wants our state services funded with a balanced budget, I don't want the feds screwing it up.

Legalization works, and is working. It's a beautiful thing to behold.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. Agree. By coming out now for a full descheduling of marijuana she could get a lot of millennials
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jun 2016

on board.

A majority of Americans period support marijuana legalization, plus it's the right thing to do.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
22. Pharma makes millions off of the drug war, and is one of Mrs Clinton's biggest donors
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jun 2016

So good luck with that

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
24. Well first she has to set up meetings with a Multinational Cannabis Lobbist and give some speech's.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

Or they could just donate to the Foundation.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
27. Her problem ...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jun 2016

Is how to get MORE citizens inside of those Private Prisons ...

It's a quid pro quo, you know .... Expect MORE youth imprisonment, especially those of color ...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. The simple fact of the matter is, authoritarians like DWS and Chris Christie can whine and cry
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

but legalization is coming, like it or not.

The would-be control freaks simply don't have the resources to force everyone in this country to behave according to their dictates.

Even if the executive branch wanted to shut down, say, all the marijuana dispensaries in California, they don't have the funds and the personnel.

So it's really a matter of how much leadership we get at the federal level versus how much those of us in the states continue to move the ball forward.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
37. You are correct and Hillary has said the same
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jun 2016

pay attention

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seems to have changed her mind when it comes to marijuana policy, according to National Journal. Clinton had previously expressed that she did not want marijuana decriminalized, but thought research ought to be done into its benefits. On Tuesday, she appeared to be more acquiescent to a change in the law. Clinton called for more research to be done, without doubting the medical benefits. Hillary stopped short of making an endorsement, saying, “I think we need to be very clear about the benefits of marijuana use for medicinal purposes. I don’t think we’ve done enough research yet.”

When she came to the issue of whether it should be legal for adults to use, Clinton said that states like Colorado and Washington have already reformed and that they are “laboratories of democracy.” Clinton claims to be holding out on forming her opinion until she has the evidence from the two states. Her change of heart mirrors that of the Democratic Party, which, as of late, has become more amenable to the case for making marijuana legal for adults to use, medically or otherwise.



In my personal life the people who smoke grass every day or almost every day have been a real drag on my happiness and their own, but I do not agree with it being illegal. I do think it is addictive, but so is alcohol and that is legal. Shrug. At a time when parents are doing anything they can to keep their kids from becoming addicts, marijuana use doesn't help, for someone who has an addictive personality it is a gateway drug, just like alcohol use is. So Hillary is just fine with me. Vote for her or enable tRump, it's up to you.
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
39. Shame if she does that, its an easy layup for her.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:42 AM
Jun 2016

It's already in motion, all she would have to do is to not stand in the way of progress.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
42. I don't see that happening at all.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not "bashing."

I just read your post and I'll be honest. She's probably the last politician I could think of that would put this on her agenda. Legalization may continue at a state level, but I do not see her becoming a champion, or even a vocal supporter, of this.

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