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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:03 AM Jun 2016

Sanders would benefit from a quick exit, analysts say

Should Sanders endorse Clinton soon and, equally important, urge his supporters to back her, he could increase his influence in the party.

“You were a minor figure, and now you come back to the Senate with a greater kind of stature,” said Norman Ornstein, congressional analyst at Washington’s center-right American Enterprise Institute. “But he can also fritter it away.”

Party leaders want quick unity, as polls show vividly that the sooner Sanders embraces Clinton, the quicker her tight lead over likely GOP nominee Donald Trump will jump.

Political observers say Sanders, who requested the meeting with Obama, may try to work out an exit strategy with the president. Obama, they said, can be a sounding board, assure Sanders he will be influential in the party in the coming months, and even act as an arbiter between the two campaigns.

Obama and Sanders spoke Sunday.

One thing Obama could do is talk to Sanders about ways the senator could continue to be influential, said Lynda Tran, who worked on numerous presidential races and previously served as national press secretary for Organizing for America, which grew out of the Obama campaign as a way to mobilizing grass-roots support.

Obama, Tran said, could promise to push some of Sanders’ most-important issues, such as reining in Wall Street, lowering college costs and raising the minimum wage, all proposals the president supports, even going as far as issuing executive actions or new legislation.

Sanders also has the potential to address those issues as he returns to the Senate. Some also-rans have found greater stature in the Senate, post-campaign, such as the late Sen. Edward Kennedy.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-would-benefit-from-a-quick-exit-analysts-say/ar-AAgOxRm?li=BBnb7Kz

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Sanders would benefit from a quick exit, analysts say (Original Post) upaloopa Jun 2016 OP
Poor analysis. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #1
has any "analyst" been right about anything in 2016? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #17
Heel! Cartoonist Jun 2016 #2
it's not being made to heel, it's about incentives existing for him to be a team player geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
Incentives = doggie treats Cartoonist Jun 2016 #5
not sure why you're choosing to degrade him with such language. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7
Letting him sputter out whilst ignoring him seems to be working just fine. Bernie has not been able msanthrope Jun 2016 #4
He really has squandered his power Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #6
if he can't bring voters to the table... He has no power. msanthrope Jun 2016 #15
He can definitely bring voters to the table. You might not like the table he chooses, though. w4rma Jun 2016 #21
Yeah...problem with that level of "purity" is that you don't actually win any Senate or House seats msanthrope Jun 2016 #23
I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of that argument. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #26
Who, precisely, do you think is fucking you? Inchoate rage aside...nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #31
Who is fucking us? Really? PatrickforO Jun 2016 #33
Who, precisely, do you think is fucking you? Inchoate rage aside...nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #32
Yes liberals are losers. We all hate liberals now. Armstead Jun 2016 #27
I think he should get out... vi5 Jun 2016 #8
Omg, excellent. Obama can promise Sanders to push what Democrats have been pushing all along. What a seabeyond Jun 2016 #9
And Where Is This Analysis Coming From? The AEI - Come On People... global1 Jun 2016 #10
It doesn't take a partisan analyst to figure this out justiceischeap Jun 2016 #11
You're asking too much, lol. Good post though. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #30
Sanders can maxmize his leverage if he agrees to a timetable of endorsements geek tragedy Jun 2016 #12
Its a tricky calculus. He may be weighing the benefits of fighting until the bitter end aikoaiko Jun 2016 #13
There are a number of big important things Bernie can negotiate for if he does it now. DCBob Jun 2016 #14
If he wants his priorities to be acted on jzodda Jun 2016 #16
What for you make me read quote from AEI? Orsino Jun 2016 #18
Stay in it Bernie!!! eastwestdem Jun 2016 #19
Why should Obama have to be "pushed" to be a progressive? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #20
Because his TPP push, and prioritizing Wall Street for bailouts has outed him as a neoliberal. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #22
All Bernie wants is a just and survivable world for all of us. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #24
American Enterprise Institute PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #25
There is still D.C. MFM008 Jun 2016 #28
I heard a couple of pundits this morning talking about what our country can do for Bernie. ucrdem Jun 2016 #29
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. it's not being made to heel, it's about incentives existing for him to be a team player
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:05 AM
Jun 2016

no one is forcing him to be a team player, or disciplining him.

but, not every choice will provide him with equal goodwill and influence within the party.

his decision to make, but decisions have consequences.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. not sure why you're choosing to degrade him with such language.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:20 AM
Jun 2016

in the real world that grown-ups inhabit, it's very well understood that being positive and helping others generally pays off better than making demands and being belligerent

it's also understood that timing matters in the world of politics, and that waiting too long can mean that you missed your opportunity

Bernie is not going to get the nomination, but he can get some other victories. those victories will be larger if he cooperates than if he tries to strong-arm his way to them.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
4. Letting him sputter out whilst ignoring him seems to be working just fine. Bernie has not been able
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:08 AM
Jun 2016

to leverage his supposed power.....let him continue on his path.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. if he can't bring voters to the table... He has no power.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

He has a bully pulpit but what he doesn't understand is that President Obama has a real knack for making people look ridiculous when they get the high dudgeons

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
21. He can definitely bring voters to the table. You might not like the table he chooses, though.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jun 2016

He is supporting down ticket progressives, not the neoliberal, former-Republican DWS picks.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
23. Yeah...problem with that level of "purity" is that you don't actually win any Senate or House seats
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 02:54 AM
Jun 2016

way. When Bernie get serious enough about any candidate to use his war chest to the tune if the Rome trip, he'll be regarded as having some leverage.

PatrickforO

(14,566 posts)
26. I'm sorry but I'm sick to death of that argument.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jun 2016

If we keep voting in people who aren't 'pure' as you say, then what will they actually do for us? I want to vote in someone who will actually represent me instead of working real hard to keep donors happy while not pissing me off. I'm done with that shit.

What good is 'winning seats' if the people sitting in them keep fucking us?

PatrickforO

(14,566 posts)
33. Who is fucking us? Really?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

OK -

The Dems who voted for GATS, NAFTA and CAFTA
The Dems who voted to overturn Glass Steagall
The Dems who voted to fast-track TPP (have you read it?)
The Dems who voted for the Patriot Act
The Dems who support the War on Drugs
The Dems who didn't have the spine to reneg on the GATS provisions prohibiting single payer healthcare as a 'service monopoly.'
The Dems who withdrew their support from unions and American workers

Those are just a few of the things that, taken together, have proven problematic to the middle class.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
27. Yes liberals are losers. We all hate liberals now.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:46 AM
Jun 2016

The more liberal the worse.

I hate liberals. I hate progressives.

Welcome to the Democratic Party

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
8. I think he should get out...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jun 2016

...but I'd also not trust anything Hillary or her DNC minions "promise" him. That would involve them actually making moves that might actually seem progressive and we know how loathe they are to do anything other than ride inertia to a possible win.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. Omg, excellent. Obama can promise Sanders to push what Democrats have been pushing all along. What a
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jun 2016

deal. Take it Sanders. Lower college, minimum way, our Democratic platform. Lol

global1

(25,237 posts)
10. And Where Is This Analysis Coming From? The AEI - Come On People...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

Is that who you want to listen to?

Go to wikipedia and read up on the AEI.

Look at those 'so-called analysts are.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
11. It doesn't take a partisan analyst to figure this out
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jun 2016

All it takes is a passing knowledge of how politics actually works.

Bernie Sanders changed his party affiliation to the Democratic Party, if he wants to exist inside that party and have any modicum of sway within it, he has to be a team player.

He can't expect to scorn a party of loyalists, keep stabbing them in the back and expect a positive outcome at the end of it all if he doesn't play ball. Whether that's moral or right is another ball of wax, but don't become like supporters of the GOP where they choose to believe fantasy over facts. The fact is, you're either a team player or you're off the team.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Sanders can maxmize his leverage if he agrees to a timetable of endorsements
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jun 2016

coordinated with Obama, Biden and Warren.

If he waits until Obama has started hitting the campaign trail for Clinton, he starts to fade from public consciousness very, very quickly.

Especially as his own supporters inside the party start falling in behind Clinton

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
13. Its a tricky calculus. He may be weighing the benefits of fighting until the bitter end
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jun 2016

and providing a model campaign for other liberals down the road with the smaller benefits of conceding now, but disappointing liberals and left of Democratic party supporters.

This is one of the beautiful things about Bernie -- he doesn't really have to worry about party loyalty.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. There are a number of big important things Bernie can negotiate for if he does it now.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jun 2016

If he goes out guns blazing.. not sure if he gets any of it.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
16. If he wants his priorities to be acted on
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jun 2016

Its time to come onboard.

With the Senate most likely going back to the Dems he should be a good foot soldier for HRC and then next year fight to get legislation he has campaigned on through the Senate.

Of course if the House stays red it won't matter

I love Bernie and I understand he wants maximum leverage. I am sure they can work something out, maybe even put him on the ticket and serve as place holder for Warren who can possibly replace him in 4 years (he will be 78 after all)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
24. All Bernie wants is a just and survivable world for all of us.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:01 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think the establishment can or will give him that. Therefore, you have nothing to negotiate with.

PufPuf23

(8,759 posts)
25. American Enterprise Institute
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:23 AM
Jun 2016

From the article you posted:

“You were a minor figure, and now you come back to the Senate with a greater kind of stature,” said Norman Ornstein, congressional analyst at Washington’s center-right American Enterprise Institute. “But he can also fritter it away.”

FYI about Ornstein and the AEI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.[2][3] Its research is dedicated to issues of government, politics, economics and social welfare.

Founded in 1938, AEI's stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[4] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals.

Some AEI staff members are considered to be among the leading architects of the Bush administration's public and foreign policy.[5] More than twenty staff members served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions. Among the prominent former government officials now affiliated with AEI are: John R. Bolton, former Ambassador to the United Nations; Lynne Cheney, former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities; Paul Wolfowitz, former Deputy Secretary of Defense. AEI current scholars include Kevin Hassett, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Michael Barone, Nicholas Eberstadt, Jonah Goldberg, Phil Gramm, Steven F. Hayward, Glenn Hubbard, Frederick Kagan, Leon Kass, Jon Kyl, Charles Murray, Norman Ornstein, Mark J. Perry, Danielle Pletka, Michael Rubin, Gary Schmitt, Christina Hoff Sommers, Jim Talent, Peter J. Wallison, and W. Bradford Wilcox.[6]

Former AEI scholars or affiliates notably include President Gerald Ford, William J. Baroody, Jr., William J. Baroody, Sr., Robert Bork, Arthur F. Burns, Ronald Coase, Dick Cheney, Dinesh D'Souza, Alfred de Grazia, Christopher DeMuth, Martin Feldstein, Milton Friedman, David Frum, Reuel Marc Gerecht, David Gergen, Newt Gingrich, James K. Glassman, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Seymour Martin Lipset, John Lott, James C. Miller III, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Novak, Richard Perle, Roscoe Pound, Laurence Silberman, Antonin Scalia, Ben Wattenberg, and James Q. Wilson.

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Interesting that you are more of mind with AEI than Sanders and about 40% of fellow members of the Democratic party.

AEI champions neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
28. There is still D.C.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:54 AM
Jun 2016

Then I think he will step back. Then there will be negotiations with HRC about the convention.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
29. I heard a couple of pundits this morning talking about what our country can do for Bernie.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jun 2016

Dianne Rheem show with a guest host and a Bernie guy who was spouting every damn whopper you read here and more, about how EVERYBODY knows the system is broken, California is still missing 3 million votes, Clinton hasn't won and Bernie can still take it (huh?), because superdelegates don't count (huh?!?), so Hillary should promise to abolish superdelegates (huh?!?), Hillary needs to abjure TPP, Barack needs to do this, Hilllary needs to do that, and nobody was slapping him down.

No wonder we're still in baloney land here!

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