2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders would benefit from a quick exit, analysts say
Should Sanders endorse Clinton soon and, equally important, urge his supporters to back her, he could increase his influence in the party.
You were a minor figure, and now you come back to the Senate with a greater kind of stature, said Norman Ornstein, congressional analyst at Washingtons center-right American Enterprise Institute. But he can also fritter it away.
Party leaders want quick unity, as polls show vividly that the sooner Sanders embraces Clinton, the quicker her tight lead over likely GOP nominee Donald Trump will jump.
Political observers say Sanders, who requested the meeting with Obama, may try to work out an exit strategy with the president. Obama, they said, can be a sounding board, assure Sanders he will be influential in the party in the coming months, and even act as an arbiter between the two campaigns.
Obama and Sanders spoke Sunday.
One thing Obama could do is talk to Sanders about ways the senator could continue to be influential, said Lynda Tran, who worked on numerous presidential races and previously served as national press secretary for Organizing for America, which grew out of the Obama campaign as a way to mobilizing grass-roots support.
Obama, Tran said, could promise to push some of Sanders most-important issues, such as reining in Wall Street, lowering college costs and raising the minimum wage, all proposals the president supports, even going as far as issuing executive actions or new legislation.
Sanders also has the potential to address those issues as he returns to the Senate. Some also-rans have found greater stature in the Senate, post-campaign, such as the late Sen. Edward Kennedy.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-would-benefit-from-a-quick-exit-analysts-say/ar-AAgOxRm?li=BBnb7Kz
w4rma
(31,700 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)Fuck that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)no one is forcing him to be a team player, or disciplining him.
but, not every choice will provide him with equal goodwill and influence within the party.
his decision to make, but decisions have consequences.
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)Sit, Bernie. Roll over. You're dead.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in the real world that grown-ups inhabit, it's very well understood that being positive and helping others generally pays off better than making demands and being belligerent
it's also understood that timing matters in the world of politics, and that waiting too long can mean that you missed your opportunity
Bernie is not going to get the nomination, but he can get some other victories. those victories will be larger if he cooperates than if he tries to strong-arm his way to them.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)to leverage his supposed power.....let him continue on his path.
Stuckinthebush
(10,842 posts)The longer he keeps up his quixotic fight, the less power he has.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)He has a bully pulpit but what he doesn't understand is that President Obama has a real knack for making people look ridiculous when they get the high dudgeons
w4rma
(31,700 posts)He is supporting down ticket progressives, not the neoliberal, former-Republican DWS picks.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)way. When Bernie get serious enough about any candidate to use his war chest to the tune if the Rome trip, he'll be regarded as having some leverage.
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)If we keep voting in people who aren't 'pure' as you say, then what will they actually do for us? I want to vote in someone who will actually represent me instead of working real hard to keep donors happy while not pissing me off. I'm done with that shit.
What good is 'winning seats' if the people sitting in them keep fucking us?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)OK -
The Dems who voted for GATS, NAFTA and CAFTA
The Dems who voted to overturn Glass Steagall
The Dems who voted to fast-track TPP (have you read it?)
The Dems who voted for the Patriot Act
The Dems who support the War on Drugs
The Dems who didn't have the spine to reneg on the GATS provisions prohibiting single payer healthcare as a 'service monopoly.'
The Dems who withdrew their support from unions and American workers
Those are just a few of the things that, taken together, have proven problematic to the middle class.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)The more liberal the worse.
I hate liberals. I hate progressives.
Welcome to the Democratic Party
vi5
(13,305 posts)...but I'd also not trust anything Hillary or her DNC minions "promise" him. That would involve them actually making moves that might actually seem progressive and we know how loathe they are to do anything other than ride inertia to a possible win.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)deal. Take it Sanders. Lower college, minimum way, our Democratic platform. Lol
global1
(25,237 posts)Is that who you want to listen to?
Go to wikipedia and read up on the AEI.
Look at those 'so-called analysts are.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)All it takes is a passing knowledge of how politics actually works.
Bernie Sanders changed his party affiliation to the Democratic Party, if he wants to exist inside that party and have any modicum of sway within it, he has to be a team player.
He can't expect to scorn a party of loyalists, keep stabbing them in the back and expect a positive outcome at the end of it all if he doesn't play ball. Whether that's moral or right is another ball of wax, but don't become like supporters of the GOP where they choose to believe fantasy over facts. The fact is, you're either a team player or you're off the team.
BootinUp
(47,135 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)coordinated with Obama, Biden and Warren.
If he waits until Obama has started hitting the campaign trail for Clinton, he starts to fade from public consciousness very, very quickly.
Especially as his own supporters inside the party start falling in behind Clinton
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)and providing a model campaign for other liberals down the road with the smaller benefits of conceding now, but disappointing liberals and left of Democratic party supporters.
This is one of the beautiful things about Bernie -- he doesn't really have to worry about party loyalty.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)If he goes out guns blazing.. not sure if he gets any of it.
jzodda
(2,124 posts)Its time to come onboard.
With the Senate most likely going back to the Dems he should be a good foot soldier for HRC and then next year fight to get legislation he has campaigned on through the Senate.
Of course if the House stays red it won't matter
I love Bernie and I understand he wants maximum leverage. I am sure they can work something out, maybe even put him on the ticket and serve as place holder for Warren who can possibly replace him in 4 years (he will be 78 after all)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Now I have to start my colon cleanse all over.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)He really needs to see this play out. Why stop his movement now?!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I don't think the establishment can or will give him that. Therefore, you have nothing to negotiate with.
PufPuf23
(8,759 posts)From the article you posted:
You were a minor figure, and now you come back to the Senate with a greater kind of stature, said Norman Ornstein, congressional analyst at Washingtons center-right American Enterprise Institute. But he can also fritter it away.
FYI about Ornstein and the AEI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute
The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.[2][3] Its research is dedicated to issues of government, politics, economics and social welfare.
Founded in 1938, AEI's stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalismlimited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[4] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals.
Some AEI staff members are considered to be among the leading architects of the Bush administration's public and foreign policy.[5] More than twenty staff members served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions. Among the prominent former government officials now affiliated with AEI are: John R. Bolton, former Ambassador to the United Nations; Lynne Cheney, former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities; Paul Wolfowitz, former Deputy Secretary of Defense. AEI current scholars include Kevin Hassett, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Michael Barone, Nicholas Eberstadt, Jonah Goldberg, Phil Gramm, Steven F. Hayward, Glenn Hubbard, Frederick Kagan, Leon Kass, Jon Kyl, Charles Murray, Norman Ornstein, Mark J. Perry, Danielle Pletka, Michael Rubin, Gary Schmitt, Christina Hoff Sommers, Jim Talent, Peter J. Wallison, and W. Bradford Wilcox.[6]
Former AEI scholars or affiliates notably include President Gerald Ford, William J. Baroody, Jr., William J. Baroody, Sr., Robert Bork, Arthur F. Burns, Ronald Coase, Dick Cheney, Dinesh D'Souza, Alfred de Grazia, Christopher DeMuth, Martin Feldstein, Milton Friedman, David Frum, Reuel Marc Gerecht, David Gergen, Newt Gingrich, James K. Glassman, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Seymour Martin Lipset, John Lott, James C. Miller III, Joshua Muravchik, Michael Novak, Richard Perle, Roscoe Pound, Laurence Silberman, Antonin Scalia, Ben Wattenberg, and James Q. Wilson.
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Interesting that you are more of mind with AEI than Sanders and about 40% of fellow members of the Democratic party.
AEI champions neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Then I think he will step back. Then there will be negotiations with HRC about the convention.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dianne Rheem show with a guest host and a Bernie guy who was spouting every damn whopper you read here and more, about how EVERYBODY knows the system is broken, California is still missing 3 million votes, Clinton hasn't won and Bernie can still take it (huh?), because superdelegates don't count (huh?!?), so Hillary should promise to abolish superdelegates (huh?!?), Hillary needs to abjure TPP, Barack needs to do this, Hilllary needs to do that, and nobody was slapping him down.
No wonder we're still in baloney land here!