I just saw an ad during Morning Joe and it was damn ugly

[pinebox]

Paid for by a conservative PAC of some sort.

I don't know if this was shown locally or nationally but it basically compared Bill's national speech about he did have sexual relations with Lewinsky and transposed Hillary's comments about she never sent classified information in her emails.

Naturally it painted them both as complete liars.

This is going to be the ugliest election ever. This won't be pretty. I hope the DNCyaLater does the right thing and chooses Bernie, although I have little faith they will.

Hand me the damn Aspirin.

[Blue_Adept]

1. This is going to be the ugliest election ever.

Said every election cycle.

[pinebox]

2. This one though will be

There's never been the low blows we've seen and they're already beginning. Re-runs of Clinton's affair with Lewinsky? Welcome to the sewer.

[MgtPA]

9. Remember "Clinton Fatigue" during the late 90's?

No one wants to go through that again.

[lancer78]

159. Already had it this year n/t

[boston bean]

11. This will not mean a thing to one single person who wants to defeat Trump.

And who want to vote for Hillary.

Bill is very much beloved. Probably something you don't agree with, so this has you scared.. But you shouldn't be.

[imagine2015]

56. You mean they'd rather vote for something they don't want, Hillary, and get it?

[boston bean]

57. What??

[Scootaloo]

82. Well, it's not aimed at dedicated Democrats

Gotta remember Boston Bean, the General Election has a different audience than the primaries.

[KittyWampus]

160. In ANY election the majority won't vote for a guy who never held a steady job

until the age of 40+.

[Exilednight]

113. you're right, but that doesn't account for the tens of millions

Who are undecided. But it's not like negative ads ever work.... except for every presidential election.

[JDPriestly]

126. But it will remind everyone but the most stubborn Hillary supporters that her word is not

always to be taken seriously.

Poor Hillary. We all make "mistakes," but she makes very serious ones that cost people's lives.

She and Henry Kissinger. (Check out his Wikipedia page. If you know your history, you will never vote for Hillary after reading it.) Kissinger is, as Hillary admitted proudly in one of the debates, one of Hillary's advisers.

[Kentonio]

163. 'Very beloved' is a bit strong. Looks like about a +5 favorable average

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton1.htm

[Blue_Adept]

17. And at the time, the previous elections were the ugliest yet as well

That's the nature of the beast. Anyone expecting otherwise is being naive.

Politics is war without the guns and bombs.

[pinebox]

26. Yes they're ugly but this one will be especially ugly

Lots of fodder and suitcase throwing is going to happen. This in the end is going to turn the American people off a great deal.

[PoliticAverse]

75. Indeed. People that say "politics is uglier than ever now" really don't seem to know the history...

of politics in America and the degree of personal attacks made in political campaigns
going back to the beginning of the country.

For example:
http://history1800s.about.com/od/leaders/a/electionof1828.htm

[Blue_Adept]

79. Yep

As you see in this thread, "this one" will be worse. But it's been ugly for ages and in many ways it's been tamer than it was centuries ago in different settings.

Thanks for the link, looking forward to digging into learning some new stuff!

[Blue_Adept]

84. Additional thanks

Got to the link earlier than I thought I would. Really interesting stuff! That period of presidential politics hadn't been on my radar in decades so I had forgotten so much of it. Was a great refresher and really shows just how sanitized our current discussions are - and just how much gives regular folks the vapors in comparison.

[PoliticAverse]

88. I vaguely remember the details of American History I learned in High School, but what did impress me

was the raucousness of the politics back then.

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. Hell ... our raucous political history included duels where people died.

[YOHABLO]

156. We're in a civil war for this country's destiny .. Oligarchy or Social Democracy.

[Blue_Adept]

161. No, we're in the midst of an election.

[jzodda]

3. Problem for Trump is

The ads against him can star other Republicans and their own words. He also from what I read yesterday at Politico is going to have a huge money deficit.

[pinebox]

28. Can you link to that? Thanks!

I want to read that.

[jzodda]

40. Sure!

Here is one link from Washington Post. If you need to get around that Wapo paywall you can read it if you open the browser page in incognito mode. (I use chrome)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/08/donald-trumps-got-political-money-problems/

Here is one from Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-donors-billion-224080

[morningfog]

4. Our nominee.

[Yurovsky]

167. Her honesty/trustworthiness poll numbers were earned...

along with Bill's, from a lifetime of corruption, dishonesty, greed, and the politics of personal destruction.

But I guess since she's pro-choice and a recent convert to LGBT equality that's a good enough reason to forget my own standards and values and pull the lever for HRC. At least that's what her supporters tell me so...

She's lucky that the person running against her for the GOP is even more morally repugnant. So she may well win and get to cash in even more from whatever it is that she and Bill do to get all those millions. Yay! I'm super-duper excited!

[Demsrule86]

5. So, you didn't expect this?

[pinebox]

29. Uh we have been saying this is exactly what would happen

Where have you been?

[Florencenj2point0]

41. Bernie walks off the stage when he gets a mean question! lol

[pinebox]

48. You mean like this?

Perhaps you should take your blinders off.
Hillary can't even do a debate FFS.....runs away just like in Cali.

[PeaceNikki]

140. There were nine debates. She did all nine.

[brush]

77. Have you not been watching the news lately?

Trump just came out full-on racist against Gonsalo Curiel, the Latino-American judge presiding over his scam university trial.

That's a double whammy anti-Trump ad right there — he'll be painted as the racist he is, and as the crook and money scammer he is who cheated unsuspecting students out of their money.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are also the videos out there of him calling Latinos rapists and criminals, of him calling for a wall on the border, of him saying Megan Kelly had blood coming out of her eyes and wherever else, of him mocking the handicapped.

Come on, this guy is gonna get killed, and by his own words. Even other repugs are pulling away from him.

You're damn right it's not gonna be pretty.

And he will lose spectacularly.

[Demsrule86]

121. So? I think this will damage Hillary less than Bernie's conscientious objector stuff.

This has been out there for years...those it would matter to...will not vote for her anyway. Did you think no matter who the nominee was, they would not begin the swift- boat process?

[pinebox]

49. Generally I agree

BUT they do have factual history and re-running ads with Bill from the 90s saying "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman" isn't going to play well.

[PJMcK]

153. Old news

The country has moved on. Remember, President Clinton's approval ratings went up after his impeachment.

[yardwork]

7. And the ads against Bernie would be just as vile.

[Florencenj2point0]

23. worse

[pinebox]

30. Worse? Do tell us all

We'll wait. Hillary has a LOT more baggage than Bernie, it isn't even close.

[leftynyc]

50. They would be transposing

people dumpster diving in Venezuela with what would happen if a "socialist" was elected. Hammer and sickle would be making a return. It would have been a fucking nightmare.

[pinebox]

54. If that's the case

Why haven't they done with Obama who they've been calling commie and socialist for 8 years? You know why? Because the strategy doesn't work as they've learned. However, what they have is a suitcase of shit with the Clinton's. 30 years worth.

get out your shit protector, you're going to need it.

[leftynyc]

58. You can't be this naive

Bernie calls HIMSELF a socialist. Perhaps you think Americans are savvy enough to distinguish but you would be very fucking wrong. I know this is a difficult time for you so I'm going easy on your bullshit. That will end next week.

[OnDoutside]

95. Well said.

[pinebox]

119. Again, more of the same I see?

You're a trip. Still at it?
Can you even adult discourse bro?

Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist. Hillary once called herself a Republican. Was there a time when Bernie called himself a Socialist? How many decades ago was that? Hm?

You're going easy on my bullshit? I find that rather hilarious given that you still haven't especially made a case yet of how bad they are going to drag Bernie through the mud should he be the nominee. As I stated already, they have been calling Obama a socialist commie for the last 8 years. Has it worked? Nope. Hillary on the other hand has real issues that are quite important, things like FBI investigations and pretty soon the whole investigation into the Clinton Foundation will begin as well. Do you really want to compare those with name calling? You do that, have at it. And yes, as we're seeing now Bill's sex life is being dragged out into the open and while you say "everybody knows about it", want to take a guess which generation really wasn't around much when it did happen? The largest voting block of them all; millenials. That group Hillary has basically no support from.

It's ok though, ignore at your own peril.

As far as this will end next week, Skinner said legit criticism is allowed did he not? Yup, he sure did.

[TheBlackAdder]

166. That gives just one battle to fight, revealing that Conservatives are the hugest socialist consumers

.


From the MIC, Private Prisons, Business Grants, Urban Enterprize Zones, etc...


As a poli-sci continuing ed student in my 50's, there is a bus load of stuff that can be raised.
Much of it seems to have fallen off the contemporary radar, and I'm not about to go into further
detail on these issues. While I know the GOP has most or all of this information, I'm not going to
resurface it. Suffice it to say, there can and probably will be a multitude of issues raised that go
far beyond this casual crap. That stuff, I fear, won't come out until after the convention.

So, while you drop the bullshit word, the reall shit hasn't even begun to flow.


.

[Mz Pip]

133. This

And using the most disheveled and angry images of him, comparing him to Che Guevara. Goofy Bernie was light stuff compared to what would be used were he the candidate.

[pinebox]

25. Bernie doesn't have the baggage of the Clintons, we all know this

[yardwork]

27. The Republicans twist everything. It's what they do.

[pinebox]

51. Uh except when they don't

This wasn't a twist, it showed Bill giving his speech about he didn't have sexual relations with that woman transposed with Hillary giving a speech that she never sent classified info in email.

Hand me the Motrin......

[Sheepshank]

154. You honestly don't think Trump would rake Bernie over the coals over gang rape fantasy?

If there was anyway for Trump to start having women flee from Bernie that would do it in a heartbeat. Donald can only go up with the women vote and this would be a catalyst.

Bills indescretion is old news.

[handmade34]

33. "the ads against Bernie would be just as vile"

truth and facts do not matter to the conservatives ... Bernie may be different than the Clintons but has a past that will provide the Republicans plenty of ammunition for negative ads

[Florencenj2point0]

39. he would be painted a commie guilty of treason and arrested

in about a week for his actions during the Reagan years.

[pinebox]

55. Uh sure.

You honestly believe that? Do you?

Never mind the Clinton's vacayed in China.

[840high]

135. Are you kidding? Trump will gather

all the Clinton baggage going as far as Arkansas.

[DCBob]

8. The FBI report is going to come out soon and it will clear her of any legal problems.

These ads will then sound stupid.

[morningfog]

16. Unless it clears her and her staff entirely, this not going away.

You trust her far more than I do. The OIG report already said that she was not in compliance with the federal records laws. And there is at least some information public that federal records were intentionally destroyed, which is a felony.

[DCBob]

20. The mishandling of classified information is common among high-level government officials.

There is no way they are going to charge her with anything. If they did that it would open up a huge can of worms.

They will give her slap on the wrist for breaking the rules and procedures.. nothing more.

[HooptieWagon]

63. Really? Name one with an unapproved basement server.

Where's the FBI investigations?

[DCBob]

64. That wasnt illegal.

[HooptieWagon]

67. Unapproved, and IG said it wouldn't have been.

[DCBob]

91. Sure, it wouldnt have been approved but it wasnt "illegal".

She admits she may have broken rules and procedures but not intentionally and not in any illegal manner.

[merbex]

97. This place if W had done it, or his SoS, would be in an uproar

You know those voters, the voters too many people here think we don't need? The Independent voter?

THEY will be the ones to decide whether it is: 'may have broken rules' or 'intentionally broken laws'.

I'd start watching polls very closely if I were you and keep track of how often ads like that get played.

[DCBob]

98. This email thing is such nonsense. I doubt I would care even if W did it.

He did much much worse things and got away with it.. this would be minor compared to those.

[840high]

136. National security is no small matter.

[DCBob]

141. Of course.. but the facts of the case are being exaggerated by the RW media and others.

Its not a scandal.. she did make a mistake on the decision to use a personal server but there wasnt anything nefarious going on.

[840high]

146. Tell that to the FBI.

[DCBob]

147. The FBI report has not come out yet.

When it does it will say pretty much what the IG report said. She shouldnt have done it but it was more an internal problem with the State Dept and she didnt do anything illegal.

[HooptieWagon]

102. The Dept rules are in place to ensure laws are being followed.

[DCBob]

103. Rules and procedures are not laws.

[HooptieWagon]

105. Proper handling of classified information IS a law.

Complying with FOIA is a law. Truthfully signing a document is a law.

[DCBob]

106. But its not a felony unless it she did it on purpose.

[HooptieWagon]

109. She 'accidently' installed a basement server?

good luck with that...FBI will be laughing their asses off.
She SIGNED a paper saying she'd received instruction on handing classified information. Ignorance isn't an excuse, although Hillary pleads ignorance often.
She deliberately instructed subordinates to strip security headings from documents and send by unsecured fax. She deliberately shared classified information with a person without clearance...Sidney Bloomenthal. She deliberately signed a document when leaving office that she had turned over all related emails and documents, when in fact she didn't do so and refused to do so for 2 years.

[DCBob]

110. Using a personal server wasnt illegal.

[HooptieWagon]

112. It was unapproved. Security measures not inspected.

Yes, it was illegal because it did not comply with dept regulations that ensured compliance with classified information laws. Furthermore, after leaving office she had the server placed in storage in an unsecured facility staffed by uncleared employees.
Then there are the other laws she broke...signing false statements, refusing to comply with FOIA, sharing classified info with Bloomenthal and others.

[DCBob]

114. A personal server was not considered illegal as was using a personal email account.

She did not intend to use the server for classified information. It was for personal use and non-classified departmental use. The fact some classified information may have passed through it by mistake or accidentally is not a felony.

[HooptieWagon]

115. Bullshit. She didn't use her govt account at all.

She used her server for ALL correspondence...classified, unclassified, and personal.
And again, the server hadn't been given approval (IG reported it wouldn't have been, if known about). There was no security check done on the server....a) it would have disclosed its existence, and b) it was do amateurish that it wouldn't have passed the most lenient check.

[DCBob]

116. Not true.. she used secure phone or secure fax for classified communications.

[OnDoutside]

96. Just in case, she needs to build up a lead then

if it there is anything negative, at least she has a buffer to over that hump.

[DCBob]

99. I wouldnt worry about it.

[sufrommich]

10. The DNC choosing the guy who lost by every measurable standard

would be doing the right thing?

[NCTraveler]

12. We all knew it was coming. There is zero surprise here.

We voted overwhelmingly for Clinton knowing that Republicans will come after her and Bill hard. You are saying the people should be ignored when it is clear they were well aware of this? That's a winning argument. lol.

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. Yes. We did. ...

Don D. Con announced that he's gonna do a "major speech" (read: attack) on HRC and Bill "probably Monday."

When I heard that, I thought ... "Who the hell is giving Don D. Con his advice ... He's going to shout his load 5 months out? ... That's not too bright."

Point is, all HRC has to do is survive that one speech, which will just be nothing more than a re-hash and compilation of what has been said for the past 12 months ... 25 years, actually ... then, it will completely lose its effect at the close of the news cycle.

My second thought is the HRC campaign, brilliantly, branded Don D. Con ...

“Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different – they are dangerously incoherent,” she said. “They’re not even really ideas – just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies.”

And, his "probably Monday" speech will be seen by everyone (except for the most rabid trump fan/anti-HRCer) in that light.

What do you be the HRC campaign spends big bucks to run an ad, repeating the branding, on all the networks that air his "probably Monday" speech, immediately before (and/or, after) the speech?

[grossproffit]

13. She can handle it. She's had an entire "news" channel dedicated to her for nearly 2 decades.

[pinebox]

32. We'll see but I don't think she can

The past is coming out with Bill's affairs in the White House and under an FBI investigation at the same time? Get ready to be inundated with more kitchen sink throwing than you've seen in your lifetime.

[grossproffit]

122. You didn't think she'd win either.

[pinebox]

155. And you think most of America likes Hillary.

Touche.

[LanternWaste]

14. Every election is the ugliest one yet.

Every election is the ugliest one yet. The consistency of that remains unchanged, regardless of who is running.

[justiceischeap]

15. Yes, because the GOP would never trot out Bernie's essay about women fantasizing about being raped

Or his being a socialist Democrat... I can see the images of Sanders side-by-side with Mao and Stalin now (it doesn't matter to them it's not the same thing--it's what they can make their supporters believe). Then, of course, there's the whole Burlington College scandal Jane is involved in... this is how you get free college? Falsify loan applications?

Elections are ugly and that is not a reason to usurp who the majority of Democratic voters voted for. Many of us are aware of the Clinton scandals and we still chose her over Bernie. It's not that we're uninformed, but we took all things into consideration, and still felt she was the better candidate.

[pinebox]

38. Ok check this

They have been calling Obama a commie for 8 years, it hasn't worked. The whole rape fantasy thing has been basically debunked, sure we know this, do they? Who knows. However the difference is teh attacks on Hillary are real and they are history, the ad showed Bill lying to America and transposed Hillary lying to America on top of that and basically said "once a liar, always a liar".

Yes elections are ugly things but this one is going to be the dirtiest you've ever seen in your life and if you think otherwise, you're in for a shock. You can win a GE with 23% of an electorate and that will be Bernie's argument because Hillary has hardly any indy support. You think a candidate under an FBI investigation is a better choice? Yeah, I do think you're uninformed.

[pinebox]

61. Drama queen? Someone sounds quite mad. Tissue?

Yes the whole rape fantasy thing has been debunked and apparently you've not been paying attention, that was debunked months ago. Bill is the most popular politician in the country? Wrong. That title goes to Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker https://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/2015/05/01/most-popular-politician-america

Now you're calling people delusional besides drama queens? Cute. When in doubt, call people names and get mad and divert with shiny objects and squirrels.

[leftynyc]

62. Oy - another Bernie supporter

with projection problems. If you think laughing uproariously at your right wing attacks against Hillary while giving Bernie a complete pass as anger, you're truly hopelessly delusional. Well, at least we wont have to be reading that crap here after next week so I can just avoid your nonsense. Carry on.

[pinebox]

66. See there you go again

Personal attacks against me. Can't stick to the issues can you?
You have to call people names and put others down because you don't understand and it makes you feel better. We get it.

The FBI is not a RW attack, sorry. And excuse us all but history does matter, regardless of how you want to spin it.

[840high]

137. His essay was never important. Bill and Hillary deeds are.

[justiceischeap]

149. You think importance matters to the GOP?

Hell, truth doesn't matter to the GOP and there are people lazy enough not to validate what they see on TV or the Internet. We see shit posted on DU constantly that is false.

[deathrind]

18. Yes it is.

[Lizzie Poppet]

19. "Naturally it painted them both as complete liars."

That could be readily countered by the Clintons, you know...not lying so much.

[Vattel]

21. +1,000

[Rilgin]

123. Some other alternatives spring to mind.

The Republicans did it first

It is obviously sexist. Only women are accused of lying.

Hillary lies for us because she is a fighter.

-----> Trump

-----> Nader

I won get over it.

Everyone does it.

I was both misinformed and didn't know.

What emails? I never emailed its all a Right Wing Conspiracy.

I am sorry for the delay. We are still deciding which of my aides will be the fallguy.

[840high]

139. yep +10

[840high]

138. Bam!

[Tarc]

22. "...does the right thing and chooses Bernie"

It seems that the more "enthusiastic" (a nice way to put it) the Sanders fan is, the more willing he is to commit election fraud upon the Democratic voters to get his way in the end.

I wonder if they realize just how much of a sham their progressive credentials actually are...

[pinebox]

42. Is it election fraud to flip SD's?

Last I heard it wasn't.

Is it complete idiocy to nominate someone who is under an FBI investigation & whose husband was impeached and will be in the WH along with her? Yes it is.

Blind leading the blind.

[Tarc]

93. "Is it election fraud to flip SD's?"

For a camp that has been screaming for months against them...

"Scrap them entirely! They're undemocratic elitists!"
"If Bernie wins the state he should get a proportional amount of superdelegates!"
"If Bernie wins the state he should get all the state's superdelegates!
"Don't count them too soon! That's undemocratic!"

The following;

"Hey, um, supers? Can you, like, forget all that bad stuff I've said about you for a year, ignore the 3.5million vote & 375 pledged delegate gap. and, y'know, vote for me instead? Because, um, polls and FBI and stuff. Yea."

is equal parts desperation and pathetic.

Note the new sig line. It will be updated daily.

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. LOL ... There's more! ...

"Hey, um, supers? Can you, like, forget all that bad stuff I've said about you for a year, FORGET ALL THE STUFF HE'S BEEN SAYING ABOUT YOU FOR HIS ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER, FORGET THAT HE HAS NEVER DONE A DAY'S WORK FOR THE PARTY, ignore the 3.5million vote & 375 pledged delegate gap. and, y'know, vote for me instead? Because, um, polls and FBI and stuff. Yea."

That is equal parts of, what should be, pathetic desperation.

[TwilightZone]

24. I guess this is your first election.

They're all like this. Get used to it.

[pinebox]

43. Nope not by any stretch

No they aren't all like this. Show us right now where sexual history with an intern was ever brought up in a damn tv ad?
You can't.

[LexVegas]

31. Get it out of your system. I predict a swallowing of your pride on the 16th. nt

[peace13]

37. I predict ignoring facts has put us all in a terrible position.

Thank you.

[pinebox]

44. Oh? I predict a shocker

When the FBI releases their findings which now is looking is coming soon. Seen the latest headlines? It's now a full blown criminal investigation.

My vote is my own and I will vote for who best represents me.

[annavictorious]

132. I haven't seen the headlines you're talking about.

As a matter of fact, the New York Times issued a retraction and an explanation for mistakenly calling it a criminal investigation.

Do you have any links to actual news stories that don't rely on unnamed "government sources" who are almost certainly Republicans?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/07/24/3684315/hillary-clinton-email-investigation-explainer/
http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/27/a-clinton-story-fraught-with-inaccuracies-how-it-happened-and-what-next/
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-new-york-times-emails-357246
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/politics/new-york-times-clinton-email-correction/

[Florencenj2point0]

34. You hope the DNC steals the election from the voters?

how very brogressive of you!

[pinebox]

45. Yeah I know kind of like DNC rules

who only let a select few vote, isn't it?

Flipping SD's is allowed the last I heard.

[still_one]

152. I wouldn't waste my breath if I were you. Elizabeth Warren just gave a passionate endorsement of

Hillary. Martin O'Malley endorsed Hillary, and our President and Vice President have strongly endorsed Hillary, and they will be going full bore, along with the vast majority of American from all demographics.

[peace13]

35. What did they think?

[pinebox]

46. They don't.

[notadmblnd]

36. You bet it is.

And you think that they're whining about what they perceive as Sander's attacks as the sin of the century. They haven't seen Hillary attacked yet.

[pinebox]

47. This is going to be uglier than ever

[LenaBaby61]

52. Haven't seen Hillary attacked yet?

What's been happening the past 25 years from White Water to Benghazi to the latest with the FBI/Private Email Server controversy?

[pinebox]

65. The FBI isn't really a RW fantasy however

That is something which is actually happening.
Yes there are bullshit attacks and made up horse crap about Hillary but going back and using history against her of actual facts and how they both lied to the American public? This isn't going to bode well...

I knew we would all see this but people are going to be so over it come November that voter turnout could be at historic lows.

[peace13]

68. Lena , I think after skating possibly just inside the law for 25 years she may have crossed the line

Far enough to find real trouble. Not many people will accept the server issue as a nothing deal. Especially now that they continue to find more on it. Time will tell.

[notadmblnd]

124. That's right, she's such a martyr for her cause

[840high]

142. You're sexist lol

[notadmblnd]

143. I know.

[PoliticAverse]

59. Probably the ad produced by the new pro-Trump super Pac...

"Rebuilding America Now". It appears they've started with $32 million in funding.

See: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/06/02/donald-trump-ally-secures-32-million-new-super-pac/85320288/

It appears they have produced just one ad so far:

[pinebox]

69. THAT IS THE AD!

[Orsino]

60. Ugly, maybe, but doesn't seem calculated to change minds.

Sounds more like a weak attempt to stir the coals on Clinton hatred among the faithful.

[pinebox]

70. I see it as a way of energizing the RW base

Trump has broke all records on the right with the number of votes while Dem votes are actually down by millions compared to 2008.

The ad was posted above, it's a nasty piece of work.

[Lord Magus]

71. Which means literally nothing seeing as he STILL got far fewer votes than Hillary.

Comparing to 2008 is sheer dishonesty given that no primary has ever had the level of turnout of the 08 Democratic primary. And that includes the Republicans' "record" turnout this year.

[pinebox]

73. Ahhh that anology

Actually, he did but he didn't.
There were 17 Republicans running, there were 4 Dems. 4x the Republican challengers, think about that for a second.
I would invite you to read these articles about voter turnout on the Dem side because this will be a huge problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrat-turnout-south-carolina_us_56d2e392e4b03260bf77247f
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/low-democratic-voter-turnout_us_56e0944ae4b0b25c9180a3ee
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/dem-voter-registration-leading-turnout-article-1.2545420
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/469233702/democrats-fret-over-low-voter-turnout-in-early-primaries

[Lord Magus]

72. Not sure what's worse, thinking "the right thing" is to overthrow democracy or watching Morning Joke

No actually I do know what's worse, but it's sad that Morning Joke is awful enough to make it a close call.

[pinebox]

74. So who do you watch? I'm curious.

Honest question.

I like to watch shows that feature BOTH viewpoints because it plays into the whole thing of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Education is knowledge. Knowledge is power. Power is how you defeat the other side and counter their attacks and view points. You can't beat them if you don't know about them.

Now as far as overthrowing democracy is concerned, Bernie's argument is going to be that Hillary loses to Trump in the GE. Polls do reflect that. This is why SD's should flip.

[Lord Magus]

78. Aside from Maddow I'm not a fan of TV news (or rather, "news") shows at all.

And SDs should never flip on the basis of polls. If we were going to do that, why even have elections? Just take some polls and give the nomination to whoever polls best.

[pinebox]

80. It's an argument when it shows the frontrunner losing

Why even have elections? You tell me. Personally I would be in favor of uprooting the whole process itself. I'd prefer doing away with the EC entirely and have it be a true democracy where the people pick the candidate who wins the popular vote.

[Lord Magus]

83. But only in the general election?

Nominations should be decided by polls rather than popular vote?

[pinebox]

85. You have to remember though

Only a select few were allowed to vote in those primaries, the GE makeup is much larger and Hillary can't win with 23% of the electorate. Outside that select group she has little support. This is what Bernie will say because he brings a massive coalition of voters to the GE.

[Lord Magus]

87. Correction: only a select few CHOSE to vote in the primaries.

Arguing that the primaries shouldn't count because most people didn't vote in them is meaningless noise, because that's the case every election. Even in the record-shattering 08 Democratic primaries, the vast majority didn't vote in them.

[pinebox]

89. While correct I am referring to how they aren't open to everyone

[RandySF]

76. Let's run and hide from the first negative ad we see.

[Loki Liesmith]

81. "Does the right thing"

By choosing the candidate with the fewest votes and delegates?

[pinebox]

86. Who doesn't lose in the GE

[YouDig]

90. How is it the "right thing" to ignore the voters and force a candidate they don't want on them?

You have a strange idea of democracy.

[SmittynMo]

92. I have to agree.

Wait.... We have 2 of the most "unfavorable" candidates in the history of US elections. WE put them both there. Yes WE did. Last I heard, HRC was at 60% unfavorable.

Do you think that will contribute to what is coming next? It's going to be very bad. Get ready. ALL that baggage!!!!

[Capt. Obvious]

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I just saw an ad during Morning Joe and it was damn ugly
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[pinebox]

120. Thanks! Shame some don't want to discuss things the right is throwing at HRC

and how this will play out in a GE. #ShockedNotShocked

[840high]

144. That's the way they are - they

cover their eyes and plug their ears.

[pinebox]

148. True.

[wyldwolf]

100. "I hope the DNCyaLater does the right thing and chooses Bernie"

You mean disenfranchise millions of voters who chose Clinton?

Ah, yes, it's the 'progressive' way, I suppose.

[mikehiggins]

101. Maybe we should dust off the old Goldwater-nuking-a-little-girl ad?

Now THAT was an ugly campaign, Goldwater v LBJ. Supposedly the guy who made the ad felt guilty about how unfair it was, and he was probably correct.

Difference is this guy sounds like he might be willing to use nukes so the issue is relevant.

[NCTraveler]

111. American Crossroads would not continue to support Sanders if he made it to the GE.

They would go from Sanders supporters to relentless attackers. As would the rest of the republican party.

This isn't our first rodeo. You won't be able to sell this bs here. We are a politically astute bunch.

[Ino]

118. Nothing to see here... move along.

She's been fully vetted. They got nothing on her. Grasping at straws. Old news.

Hillary is going to break the Repug stranglehold. She's going to get things done! They're running scared.

[democrattotheend]

125. That's way below the belt

Wonder if we'll see the Hillary supporters get as mad about this as they are about Bernie, who has never said or run any ads anywhere near this nasty.

[NanceGreggs]

127. Still thinking that the SDs will hand Bernie the nomination?

You only have a few days left to sell your wares here. I guess you're trying to make the most of them.

[lunamagica]

128. That one has been out for a while

[PufPuf23]

129. Hillary Clinton is destined to be the next POTUS of the USA.

Now we are supposed to watch the circus.

Anyone else see this video released today?

&feature=share

[floriduck]

130. I watched the Fox News interview with Hillary and Bret Beir. He asked her if she ever received or

forwarded classified material and of course, she said no. That was the wrong question. He should have asked her if she ever sent emails to anyone without security clearance that had classified information. Because her correspondence with Sidney Blumenthal concerning Libya was classified and she violated her security agreement. Then she had the balls to say that she never violated her agreement and did what others before her did. No one before her either had an unsecured home server and no one before her had the same increased rules she agreed to (and violated).

[840high]

145. As expected - more lies.

[okasha]

131. I've seen uglier stuff posted right here on DU,

some of it by you.

Don't break that pearl necklace, now.

[senz]

134. Between Trump and Hill, some enterprising person just might see an opportunity.

At least it's not going to be dull.

[a kennedy]

150. Yup.....gonna get down right nasty.......

Guess I'll be watching our new roku device until after the election. I don' t want to see any of it.

[still_one]

151. I suspect you will be enjoying every anti Hillary ad, hoping that you have the opportunity to

say "I told you so"

If that is the case, sorry to inform you, Hillary WILL win the general election

[Justice]

157. When Clinton was being impeached, Newt and how many GOP were secretly cheating

on their wives and harboring a rising star who was a pedophile -- all while acting all holy.

[Matt_R]

158. You should put out an ad to show that...

because you know... something... something...

[Matt_R]

162. Well it started...

[PowerToThePeople]

164. After July, I will tune out of politics.

I won't see any of it.

[99Forever]

168. This barely scratches the skin of the GOP treasure trove...

... of Clinton self-induced attack material. By the end of the Summer, this will seem like a love song compared to what's being said.

You demanded it, you got it.

Enjoy.

[MadBadger]

169. So you support Oligarchy?