Bernie Sanders, my preferred candidate, didn't lay a glove on HRC during the Primary season

[merbex]

Just wait for what's coming and what may be disclosed.

The people here who are staunch HRC supporters?

You'll be yearning for the Bernie Primary season once the carnival barker gets going on her.

This will be one ugly election.

And it isn't what democrats believe - it will be what Independents believe that matters.

Because the election in November is 'Open'

[redstateblues]

1. Umm. Bernie said she was unqualified. Before NY

He went into attack mode. That's when he lost. He showed his nasty side.

[merrily]

4. That was a response because media reported she or her campaign had made a similar comment about him.

Then it turned out she had not used the exact word but she had made a negative attack on him. In any event, his comment did not come out of nowhere.

[redstateblues]

6. Bernie should have read what she said

Instead of reacting to a bogus headline

[merrily]

17. That's my memory of it. I could be mistaken. However, I understand you don't like Bernie and

complain about him often.

Anyway...https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4dtqon/the_origin_of_the_qualifications_nonsense_as/

[CrowCityDem]

32. You are. It was a headline, and she never said that word. Bernie assumed and fell on his face.

[Agschmid]

34. .

[peace13]

24. Hillary needs to put on her big girl pants. Her supporters need to find a new argument.

As a woman I find it very unsettling to see 'the first woman candidate' hiding behind her skirt! All conversation and topics are fair game. Bernie was civil. Don't expect any of that from the right.

[CrowCityDem]

12. 'Twas an illustration of why Bernie was a failed candidate: he didn't know what he was talking about

For a Presidential candidate to go out in public and say something like that without making sure he knew exactly what was going on was unbelievably irresponsible. Almost Trump-ian.

[merrily]

19. See reply 17 please. Thanks.

[merbex]

5. Really? A timeline suggests how that all came down

"“So when, you have headlines in the Washington Post, ‘Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president,’ my response is well, you know, if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this,” Sanders said. “That maybe the American people might wonder about your qualifications, Madam Secretary, when you voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of America.”

Clinton went after his interview with that NY paper and said he 'hadn't done his homework', THEN, Morning Joe started the meme - asking HER is HE qualified to be President?

Pesky facts

A manufactured media fight.

[CrowCityDem]

14. Presidents read articles, not just the headlines. Bernie failed his responsibilities.

[merrily]

23. Actually, that is not what Presidents do. They get briefings and summaries.

However, he was not President. He was on the campaign trail.

It's very interesting to observe how so many of you felt compelled to pick at him for every syllable for a year and still do.

[CrowCityDem]

38. We pick at him when he says things that Republicans will use, as Trump already has.

That sort of behavior is supposed to be off the table in primaries. We don't damage our own in ways that our real opponents can use. Especially not when it was all a stupid misunderstanding based on not doing the requisite homework.

[peace13]

7. OMG that was in response to her goading.

She can dish it out but oh boy......it's not nice to hit girls. You guys are going to have to get a better argument because the right is going to throw everything they can at her and it is not going to be pretty. This is the problem with a candidate with too much baggage. By the way, Attack mode is a thing....and Hill does it all of the time! So sorry if Bernie defended himself!

[merbex]

16. Applause for this ^^^^^^ n/t

[onenote]

2. And Clinton didn't go after Sanders the way the repubs would

Checkmate.

[peace13]

10. Right she didn't twist him into a minority hating white dude.

Who did that bt the way?

[yourpaljoey]

18. What's more she did not lie or misrepresent the facts... not even once

Am I right or am I right?

[merbex]

22. Just had surrogates like Capehart question his Civil Rights photo

What a selective memory some people have.

[merbex]

20. Exactly n/t

[onenote]

25. When did CLinton do that?

Did some of her supporters go over the top? Sure. But that's equally true of Sanders' supporters who leveled loads of attacks on Clinton that Sanders did not personally make.

[yourpaljoey]

30. You can't be serious... (right?)

Do you not recall the NOT ENOUGH BERNIE! crowd and wave after wave
of nonsense that came after.

She ran an 'anything but the issues' campaign.

[onenote]

35. Killer Mike. Cornel West. Rosario Dawson.

And those are her surrogates.

As for her supporters, if you didn't see the attacks leveled against Clinton (INDICTMENT!!!!!) every day here you must have been somewhere else.

Finally, I have to admit I don't recall "Not Enough Bernie" and when I googled that phrase I came up empty. So if you could explain a bit more what you're referring to it would help.

[merbex]

13. Google GOP nice words about Bernie Sanders

Amazing how many said publicly how they disagreed with him, but that they liked and respected him.

[Agschmid]

39. So we should just go with what the GOP says then huh?

[merrily]

26. No she left that to surrogates and friends in media. Standard Operating Procedure.

[onenote]

40. Again: Rosario Dawson. Cornel West. Killer Mike.

HA Goodman.
Seth Abramson.

I guess you think they were all throwing rose petals at Clinton.

[merrily]

45. Hm. Let's see.

I didn't think I said anything about rose petals. I thought I had simply t taken a potentially misleading statement of yours and made it somewhat less so.

Your post.

And Clinton didn't go after Sanders the way the repubs would

My reply.

No she left that to surrogates and friends in media. Standard Operating Procedure.

Ok. I was correct on both counts.

[onenote]

47. Hmmm. Let's see.

Discussion board poster asserts that Sanders didn't go after Clinton the way the repubs would, suggesting that it would be one ugly election. Implicit in the post is the notion that it wouldn't be so ugly if Bernie was the candidate. (Why do I say that is implicit? Because the post was by a Sanders supporter and what other message would they be trying to send?)

Discussion board poster responds by noting that Clinton didn't go after Sanders the way the repubs would either, negating the implied advantage the OP suggested would exist for a Sanders campaign.

Discussion board poster responds that Clinton's surrogates went after Sanders, thereby trying to rehabilitate the implied claim that the Clinton hasn't been put through the wringer yet and Sanders would have an advantage as a result.

Discussion board poster responds that Sanders also had surrogates going after Clinton, thereby again making the point that there neither Sanders nor Clinton has a particular advantage in the sense of having been or not been attacked by the other or their surrogates during the primary.

Discussion board poster responds by confirming one half of the discussion that wasn't being disputed (that Clinton surrogates and others attacked Sanders) and ignoring the other half -- that Sanders had his own surrogate leveling attacks at Clinton.

All of which leaves us exactly where we were at the beginning: yes, the repub attacks against Clinton will be ugly. And yes, if Sanders was the nominee, he too would be subject to ugly attacks.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. So what? It's going to be a tough election, of course. Who didn't know that?

Hillary also didn't go at Bernie.

By September, half the country would think he was a former member of the Politburo if he was the nominee. There'd be 8 ads an hour about his Soviet Honeymoon.

Stop being scared of Republican ads. It's pathetic. Fight and win rather than cowering terrified from the GOP.

[yardwork]

8. +1M

[merbex]

9. The majoirty of the country isn't baby boomers anymore and words like Commie Pinko Fellow traveller

zero impact on the biggest demographic.

Don't think for one second it wasn't focused grouped and found to be worth NOTHING.

HRC and Bill LOVE focus groups.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Nice speculative theory

Bernie would be smashed to pieces by the GOP attack machine. They've been trying it on Hillary for 20 years to no avail.

I'll go with tried and true over speculative nonsense. If you think stamping MARXIST on a politician doesn't fly with independents, you're delusional.

[onenote]

46. But a majority of voters are baby boomers or older.

Obviously, it depends on what you define as the baby boom generation. But let's peg it at those born 1946-1964. And then let's remember that anyone born before 1946 will fit the profile when it comes to viewing "socialism" as a negative. Plus, anyone coming of age during the Reagan years -- we were still fighting the commie menace during the 80s, if you recall. So that adds in at least those born between 1964 and 1971. Finally, you have to eliminate everyone under the age of 17 since they can't vote.

And when you look at turnout -- take, for example, Wisconsin, one of the states where Sander had the best result. Fewer than half the voters were in what you claim is the "biggest demographic."

And while it is true that not everyone over a certain age would freak out at the idea of a "socialist" president, it also is true that not everyone below a certain age wouldn't freak out at it.

[ALBliberal]

11. Neither Bernie or Hillary crossed the line. They kept it pretty clean. Knowing

that the bigger picture was more important and they needed to be in position to support nominee. Pretty classy stuff. I am very hopeful that we all join forces to take Trump down as well as those that stand with him.

I really don't watch TV much but was watching CNN last night. So I had read about Trump news coverage bad hadn't viewed. Unbelievable the lengths that the reporters and talking heads go to to give validity to this vaudeville act Trump is heading up. And I thought their coverage and support of GWB was bad! It's as if they are in pretend mode.... pretending that Trump is legit. They all sound so foolish and delusional. They all have egg on their faces. Fishing and searching for any shred of authenticity in the Trump campaign to compare it to Hillary's! False equivalency at its best!

[Orsino]

21. He made substantial attacks.

The GOP machine will mostly make bullshit ones.

[peace13]

31. The banquet buffet of options has a wide selection.

Taking the high road...probably not going to happen. Either way, Hill has said and done many questionable things. Her opponent has the right to bring them up. During the primary she brought Bill into the mix, saying she will use his talents. This opens him up to fair examination....again, as well. Bernie was easy on both of them. He defended himself when necessary, most times. The right will be nothing like him.

[QC]

28. I wish I could get the smelling salts concession for this place!

If the primary campaign gave the faithful such bad cases of the vapors already, imagine what the GE will be like.

And I don't think the Republicans are afraid of being called meanies. That only works on decent people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Don't forget the pearls. And the sofa

[QC]

42. Very true! Fainting couches will be in demand for sure.

And just think of all pearls scattered on the floor! Clutch them too hard and the string will break, you know!

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. I am actually looking forwards to that.

Some here were going nuts over some political buttons going back a while. I was laughing. Should be fun.

[MisterP]

49. or people who've been controlled using guilt trips for 20 years

"something something Nader something something Cesar Chavez something something"

[brooklynite]

29. Right...nobody's laid a hand on Hillary for the past 20 years.

It'll all be a complete surprise.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Coming? Some adds this morning are a nice preview

[TwilightZone]

36. I guess you've been asleep the past 25 years?

Hillary has withstood this kind of nonsense for a couple of decades now. Your concern is noted.

[brush]

41. Wait 'til we get going on him

Have you not been watching the news lately?

Trump just came out full-on racist against Gonsalo Curiel, the Latino-American judge presiding over his scam university trial.

That's a double whammy anti-Trump ad right there — he'll be painted as the racist he is, and as the crook and money scammer he is who cheated unsuspecting students out of their money.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are also the videos out there of him calling Latinos rapists and criminals, of him calling for a wall on the border, of him saying Megan Kelly had blood coming out of her eyes and wherever else, of him mocking the handicapped.

Come on, this guy is gonna get killed, and by his own words. Even other repugs are pulling away from him.

You're damn right it's gonna be ugly.

And he will lose spectacularly.

[Nye Bevan]

44. Anyone remember the name Rick Lazio? (nt)

[hamsterjill]

48. Like Hillary hasn't been attacked for the last few decades?

I think she can handle it.

[Demsrule86]

50. That is such a lie. He attacked her.

[JCanete]

51. Bernie attacked her where she is actually weak. Trump might do this because he's kind of unhinged,

and isn't so concerned(or aware?) about hypocrisy biting him in the ass, but had any other Republican reached the top of the ticket we could mostly expect only attacks of the bullshit variety, which the other half of the machine would do a fine job of deflating for half of the voting populace. We'll get all that anyway, I'm sure. In the end, we'll have a horse race that Hillary wins 55 or 60 to 45 or 40, because enough independents will either be so afraid of Trump that they vote for Hillary, or so disgusted with both that they stay home.

[MFM008]

52. When have republicans

NOT been attacking HRC. Their attacks have been constant since 1991.