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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:17 AM Jun 2016

And the smears against Bernie continue.

This article is pure bullshit. Bernie is the one person who really stands for bringing everyone together. Have the Democratic Establishment figured out that their mistreatment of Bernie ONLY magnifies their weaknesses?

Giordano has become so disenchanted with Sanders that he's contemplating a challenge to the democratic socialist's Vermont Senate seat in 2018. If Sanders doesn't enthusiastically support Clinton as the nominee by the convention, Giordano says, he'll establish residency in Vermont and start working on a Senate campaign.

This seems like a dizzying shift. But Giordano explains that he's not so much committed to Clinton as a candidate as he's committed to "the Obama coalition." "The future of progressive politics is in the multi-racial coalition," Giordano told me by Skype from his home in Mexico City.

Giordano thinks Sanders has disrupted that critical progressive coalition. The Vermont senator "has a blind spot on racial justice issues," Giordano argues. He is "exploiting racial and gender divisions... in a way that harms the movement." For instance, Sanders' comments about the illegitimacy of the primary process, and dismissal of Clinton's victories in Southern states, which were fueled by black voters, have "poisoned the well," Giordano says, and made unity against the Republicans difficult. That divisiveness, he believes, "also harms the people of Vermont. He's going to be a pariah in Congress. He's not going to be able to get anything done for Vermont."

Giordano's impetus for challenging Sanders in 2018, then, is explicitly about party coalitions, cohesion, and pragmatic efforts at change. He is threatening to oppose Sanders because Sanders is, in his view, threatening the unity of the Democratic Party coalition.


http://theweek.com/articles/627770/could-political-gadfly-steal-bernie-sanders-senate-seat

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And the smears against Bernie continue. (Original Post) Skwmom Jun 2016 OP
There is no coalition any more, as far as I can see. djean111 Jun 2016 #1
Yep. Right wingers don't give a shit about equal rights or racial equality. Money is the only GoneFishin Jun 2016 #30
Good for him! If that's Giordano's decision, then I wish him luck. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #2
No work at all. Bernie is incredibly popular in Vermont. Learn a bit how this works. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #3
You think Sanders doesn't need to work or worry much for his own reelection? Tarc Jun 2016 #8
Yo genius, he has an 87% approval rating HERVEPA Jun 2016 #11
In which case, a Primary will be easy work... brooklynite Jun 2016 #15
My goodness, well, why have an election in 2018 at all? Just hold a coronation. Tarc Jun 2016 #17
Your humor is humorless. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #19
Conservadems aren't the brightest bulbs. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #22
yup. True. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #36
Yep. I am going to need some popcorn for that one. nt GoneFishin Jun 2016 #37
Bernie stands for a lot of things, but brining everyone together is definitely not one of them. YouDig Jun 2016 #4
I thought you guys liked democracy? Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #5
Talk about coronations..... yardwork Jun 2016 #10
Coronations are necessary only for candidates who: have abysmal approval ratings, abysmal trust JimDandy Jun 2016 #31
I thought Bernie stood for democracy. Didn't he want a primary against Obama? Why not him? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #6
Sounds as though he's committed to running for Senate and making up stuff about why. merrily Jun 2016 #7
Sanders exposed the corruption and RW corporatism in the halls of power. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #24
He really needs to stay in the race. Once he drops, no one will pay attention to him eastwestdem Jun 2016 #9
Skwmom—No real progressive is upset at Bernie and a suck-up for Obama CobaltBlue Jun 2016 #12
Why spike the football? GoldenSF Jun 2016 #13
Like candidate, like supporters. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #21
Opposition to the Queen must be punished. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #25
We are now voting against our own self interests. Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #14
Is Giordano going to primary Bernie?... SidDithers Jun 2016 #16
If he runs, and Bernie still does not run as a Democrat itsrobert Jun 2016 #18
Anyone who claims Sanders "has a blind spot on racial justice issues" is... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #20
He sounds like another demagogue appealing to low-information voters. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #28
his home in Mexico City? talk about carpet bagging. Exilednight Jun 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #26
Bernie has proven you can run a viable, energizing campaign without... RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #27
Good for Giordana. I'm glad to see him exercising his democratic rights MariaThinks Jun 2016 #29
Old saying: "A liar can be discredited but a truth teller must be destroyed." eom GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #32
This Antonio Porchia quote fits very well. Snotcicles Jun 2016 #35
As do the smears against Hillary. MineralMan Jun 2016 #33
narcissists & sociopaths accuse innocent victims of their own criminality amborin Jun 2016 #34
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. There is no coalition any more, as far as I can see.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

The Party moved to the right, and not everybody is going with it.

Giordano is just an opportunist.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
30. Yep. Right wingers don't give a shit about equal rights or racial equality. Money is the only
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

thing the Party leaders give a shit about. Expectations that the Party will deliver more than an occasional token bone to the underprivileged is naïve.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. Good for him! If that's Giordano's decision, then I wish him luck.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

Why should Sanders or his supporters be afraid of a challenge? It's good for democracy, right? It keeps candidates on their toes, right? Make them WORK for the nomination and the office instead of running unopposed and being "coronated", right?

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
8. You think Sanders doesn't need to work or worry much for his own reelection?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

My my, doesn't that sound a bit...establishment-esque.

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
15. In which case, a Primary will be easy work...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jun 2016

I don't personally care, but I note that most of the folks who gripe about the DNC and the DSCC complain that it insists on "protecting incumbents"...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
22. Conservadems aren't the brightest bulbs.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

Some gas-bag living in Mexico says he's going to move to Vermont and challange Sanders? I'm pretty sure of Vermonters response....

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
4. Bernie stands for a lot of things, but brining everyone together is definitely not one of them.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

Bringing everyone together would mean, not that he's lost, endorsing Hillary and unifying the party to defeat Trump. Bernie is doing the opposite of that, he's dividing the party.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
31. Coronations are necessary only for candidates who: have abysmal approval ratings, abysmal trust
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

ratings and abysmal genuiness ratings; lack enthusiastic supporters and need the DNC and media to prop them up full-time, from start to finish.

That sounds like some other candidate. It's certainly not Bernie. But, hey VT, like every other state in this economy, could use the infusion of money from Giordano's doomed run.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
7. Sounds as though he's committed to running for Senate and making up stuff about why.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie has long served Vermont and he won the Vermont primary by over 86%, so they must be okay with him. If Giordano wins it as a carpetbagger, that will really be something.

But this signals something else. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has never supported a Democrat who wants to challenge Sanders and Sanders has been the candidate of the Vermont Democratic Party, even though he doesn't accept that nomination.

Are the DSCC and the VDP going to punish Sanders for running for President as a Democrat? If so, why?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. Sanders exposed the corruption and RW corporatism in the halls of power.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jun 2016

It seems TPTB don't like the curtain being pulled back.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
9. He really needs to stay in the race. Once he drops, no one will pay attention to him
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

anymore. Please don't drop Bernie!!

GoldenSF

(27 posts)
13. Why spike the football?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not understanding why Hillary supporters continue to spike the football. Why can't you be a gracious winner?

It doesn't win friends. Please understand that the side that doesn't win needs time and space. What they don't need is continued attacks. You won, ok? Time to be conciliatory.

Alex4Martinez

(2,191 posts)
14. We are now voting against our own self interests.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

It's sad to watch.

It's easy to see how many on the right, low information voters and bigots, vote down public works projects and the like in their rejection of any form of government program.

But now, with crystal clear evidence that Clinton is not very progressive we see endless Bernie bashing and support for the oligarchy all in the name of I don't know what.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. Is Giordano going to primary Bernie?...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

I mean, Bernie's a a Democrat now, right? Surely he'll be running as a Dem in 2018.

Right?

Sid

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
20. Anyone who claims Sanders "has a blind spot on racial justice issues" is...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

...a fuckwit of the highest order.

But if this dipshit wants to try and carpetbag his way into the Senate in Vermont, (and if Bernie decides to seek reelection, which I suspect he won't), then at least he'll provide some unintentional comedy.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. He sounds like another demagogue appealing to low-information voters.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

He won't get any traction in Vermont. It will be good comedy, and a deserved big embarrassment to the third Way.

Response to Skwmom (Original post)

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
27. Bernie has proven you can run a viable, energizing campaign without...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

... the help of SuperPACs and Establishment endorsements.

Imagine how this must terrify the Powers That Be.

They need to nip this insurrection in the bud before others are tempted to follow his lead.

Personally, I would recommend against flying to Eveleth, Minnesota.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
33. As do the smears against Hillary.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

We should stop doing that, I think, and join forces.

I'm game. How about you?

amborin

(16,631 posts)
34. narcissists & sociopaths accuse innocent victims of their own criminality
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

the clinton campaign has resorted to constant racial and ethnic divisiveness

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