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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:49 PM Jun 2016

NPR: Bitter Rivals To Allies: How President Obama Evolved On Hillary Clinton

Interesting read.

A lot can change in eight years.

Back in 2008, Barack Obama helped keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

Now he's endorsing her bid for president.

And he is likely to be one of her best campaign weapons.

"I've gotten to know Hillary really well," the president told Glenn Thrush on a Politico podcast. "She is a good, smart, tough person who cares deeply about this country."





http://www.npr.org/2016/06/09/480645291/bitter-rivals-to-allies-how-president-obama-evolved-on-hillary-clinton
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NPR: Bitter Rivals To Allies: How President Obama Evolved On Hillary Clinton (Original Post) democrattotheend Jun 2016 OP
the commonality is TPP. grasswire Jun 2016 #1
Oh brother! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #4
TPP is everything and everything is TPP. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #13
this is performance art right? Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #22
In the immortal words of Severus Snape... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #2
what does this teach young Americans?? grasswire Jun 2016 #6
"The only thing holding young Americans on right now is Bernie." Are you kidding me? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #8
you need to get out more nt grasswire Jun 2016 #9
I'm not the one claiming that young Americans are forever doomed if Bernie isn't given the nom. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #11
No, he is just one of the few with the actual inclination TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #25
The young ones I know will absolutely not vote for Hillary. djean111 Jun 2016 #10
history tells us the lid won't stay on grasswire Jun 2016 #15
I think you are seriously misreading the situation. Hortensis Jun 2016 #20
I'm twice that age and feel the same way. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #12
No free shit Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #23
This is a great article. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #3
Well he didn't have MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #5
I don't remember the PUMAs being tame democrattotheend Jun 2016 #7
Most real Sanders supporters know what time it is. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #16
PUMAS were worse Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #24
They view things the same. Though I think Obama will surpass Clinton on raking in the "speech" Skwmom Jun 2016 #14
Politics as usual - in 2008 he beat her simple as that azurnoir Jun 2016 #17
He is a very forgiving man. n/t QC Jun 2016 #18
Not really. Most adults don't hold grudges. grossproffit Jun 2016 #21
Obama is a better man than I TSIAS Jun 2016 #19

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
6. what does this teach young Americans??
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

That any efforts toward change, toward hope, toward a better world free of oligarchs and wars and debt and mass incarceration and lies and corruption is all hype? All for nothing???

If I were 20 years old right now, I think I might feel betrayed, and dismal, and alienated from the whole damned process.

The only thing holding young Americans on right now is Bernie. The future is theirs, not belonging to Boomers or Seniors. We know their allegiance. We see what gives them hope.

And Obama has just joined with Hillary to betray them.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
8. "The only thing holding young Americans on right now is Bernie." Are you kidding me?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders is not a messiah. He is not some prophesied chosen one, the only person who can save America.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
25. No, he is just one of the few with the actual inclination
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

to even push toward some balance of power for the people.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. The young ones I know will absolutely not vote for Hillary.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

They don't get caught up in the "loyalty to the party" bullshit, either. They will just go back to tuning the blather out and trying to find jobs and pay off student debt.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. history tells us the lid won't stay on
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Look what's happening in France.

The new generation is not going to tolerate the politics of the past. Especially when it is pushed on them by a bunch of fossils in either party.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. I think you are seriously misreading the situation.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jun 2016

For one thing, "politics of the past" is just an election slogan. We are always dealing with the politics of the present. Politics is always fluid and contributed to by many tens of thousands of power bases, all intent on their current issues.

Although many bad elements have gotten into government,and we must get rid of them, there are many good people too. Extremely unfortunate for our notion of citizen lawmakers, elective office is no more a job for amateurs than medicine or law are, so we really need to identify and protect our good people from any efforts of the ignorant to toss them all out.

As for the major theme of your post, people older than 35 or so are going to be around for a very, very, very long time, while those under 35 are not. We really, really need young people to vote more; however, as it is, by the time most members of that younger group learn to paying attention and voting, they are aging out of it, a "structural" weakness if you will. Short version, don't hang your hopes on a kiddie putsch.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. I'm twice that age and feel the same way.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

I can only imagine the disconnect between millennials and HRC.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
5. Well he didn't have
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jun 2016

the #bitterbern to deal with. Pumas were tame compared. I am sure after today he will be an enemy of the Sanders supporters.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
7. I don't remember the PUMAs being tame
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

They were just as nasty if not moreso.

Oddly, it seems none of the PUMA's who got banned from here in 2008 came back after the election, at least not that I have noticed. And a lot of the Hillary folks here were Obama 2008 supporters (although I would bet that almost all of the Bernie supporters here were too).

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
24. PUMAS were worse
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jun 2016

40 % said they would not vote for him. In the end most did. But now only 15 percent of berners say they won't vote for Hillary. I was PUMA. I did't vote for him but would have it my blue state had any chance of going red. For me it was one to many Caribou Barbie jokes directed at Palin. After having to take the sexism directed at Hillary, having it then turned on Palin disgusted me.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
14. They view things the same. Though I think Obama will surpass Clinton on raking in the "speech"
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
19. Obama is a better man than I
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:49 AM
Jun 2016

I will never forgive or forget the actions of Hillary Clinton and her cohorts during the 2008 campaign.

I understand that the greater good was done by Obama reaching out to Clinton. He needed to win the election, and having the Clintons on his side was instrumental. Now is the time to return that favor.

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