Bernie Sanders (at DC Rally): "The Results Have Not Yet Come In From California..."

[brooklynite]

I guess you need some applause lines for the fans.

[tonyt53]

1. But he is right. BUT, those results are hurting him even more.

[baldguy]

2. Lies for the sheep.

How many of them still believe he's winning?

[LexVegas]

3. Desperate, sad man. nt

[brush]

32. Yes. I think so too. This was his last shot at being something other than a backbencher

He can't seem to let it go, like even if the California results change, it would negate the fact that Hillary clenched in New Jersey.

Not so, face the music, Bernie.

[Txbluedog]

18. I am starting to feel that for a while now

It seems like he has disengaged from reality

[Renew Deal]

5. It's a delay tactic

[YouDig]

6. Play it again Bernie, just once more for old time's sake.

[firebrand80]

88. lol nt

[annavictorious]

7. The rest of the world has moved on

Mike Lupica of the NYDN likened Sanders to the Japanese colonel who was still fighting WWII 30 years after it ended.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-admit-campaign-article-1.2666619

[brooklynite]

10. I was living in the Philippines in 1974 when they pulled him out...

The key difference is that for the last 20 years the "stragglers" just held their ground; they didn't keep trying to win the war.

[Beacool]

17. I read it. Good article.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Why do I have the feeling ...

... he'll STILL be saying this a year from now? Or two? Or ten?

And why does he think it matters?

[enid602]

27. nixon

Do you think he's gotten to the point where he builds an exact replica of the oval office in his home?

[NanceGreggs]

35. Haha!

I've actually said that in a few threads. I likened it to Rupert Pupkin in "The King of Comedy", a late night talk show wannabe who has a replica of a "Tonight Show"-type set in his basement, where he often chats with "Liza" and "Barbra" about his latest sold-out tour.

Bernie can use his DIY basement OO for his first SOTU speech - which he will undoubtedly "deliver" the same night Hillary does.

[bettyellen]

9. Tonight? Who is he kidding?

[Armstead]

80. Give the guy a break

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2169459

[OilemFirchen]

11. ...

http://leverage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Con

Contemporary long cons such as boiler rooms, cash-for-gold, or Ponzi (pyramid) schemes involve multiple marks, often in sizable numbers, and a gradual payout, but are able to stay in place for long periods of time because of their seeming legitimacy.

[leftinportland]

12. WTF is wrong with you all...

Prior to his entry into this primary race Sanders was revered by most on this site...the hatred spewing on this thread is truly disgusting. Is it because he dared to challenge your queen and insists on taking our campaignto the convention. You call yourselves Democrates...I think not!

[qdouble]

20. He's continuing a charade as if he has any shot at winning. He needs to start being honest.

[leftinportland]

42. No he is not...

If you had listened instead of reacting you would understand. His platform is our platform, this has never been just about Sanders...yes, no matter how he was painted on DU.

Economic Justice! Racial Justice! Environmental Justice! Philadelphia here we come!

[qdouble]

44. He's still leaving some of his supporters thinking that he is still has a realistic chance at the

nomination...that truth is witnessed by all the die hards that are still hoping for SD's to hand him the nomination at the convention. It's not happening. He needs to start being honest with his people. Continuing to fill people with false hope isn't helpful for anybody and just lets the unhealthy bitterness fester.

[leftinportland]

54. Why is that your problem...

They will figure it out soon enough.

[qdouble]

57. I don't like to see people being taken advantage of or to be fed bullshit, do you?

[leftinportland]

59. They are not being fed bullshit...

or being taken advantage of...you act like Sanders is selling snake oil. If you believe social, racial, economic, and environmental justice is snake oil, then I fell sorry for you.

[qdouble]

65. The snake oil is having his followers believe that he has a good chance of winning the nomination

when the race is essentially over. If he quits right after the DC primary, I won't complain any further... but to me it's pretty sad to see some wrapped up in a delusion that there's still somehow a 50/50 chance he's going to get the nomination at the convention or some absurd fantasy. I think people facing reality now vs a month and half from now will be less psychologically stressful.

[pat_k]

69. Bernie has been crystal clear about slim chance.

No one is "wrapped up in a delusion that there's still somehow a 50/50 chance he's going to get the nomination." The people you are expressing sorrow for don't exist.

[qdouble]

70. You haven't been reading some of the stuff that I've been reading from Bernie supporters here and

elsewhere then. I mean, most have come to realization that it's over, but there is still a good percentage that thinks he still has a good chance of getting the nomination.

[pat_k]

73. I'd be very surprised if any would say "good chance" when pressed.

But who knows? You may be right. Perhaps there are some people "wrapped up in a delusion that there's still somehow a 50/50 chance he's going to get the nomination." I'd just be very surprised if I encountered one.

[qdouble]

74. Well it is the internet, so hard to tell some folks real motives.

On JPR though some are actively hoping for a Trump presidency, so not sure which part of it is just emotional and which part is Trump trolling.

[yuiyoshida]

76. You like to go spy on JPR?

What's the latest dirt there, tell me!!!

[qdouble]

79. I don't post, but when news comes out I like to see how it's received by hardcore Bernie supporters

When it was announced that Obama was endorsing Hillary, one donor said: "I will do anything I can to defeat that evil bitch, even if it means a Trump presidency. IMO, he is the lesser of those two evils. "

another said: "Fuck him and Fuck HER."

and another: "Jill Stein will be my choice as well. If I lived in a swing state I would vote Trump."

and a moderator there said: "I will do everything I can to stop her from winning this election. She is NOT qualified. But Obama had no choice, once you take their money you have to do what they tell you."

Let's say we are sheltered here from some of the absolutely vile hatred of Hillary Clinton some "Bernie supporters" have.

[Demsrule86]

97. After Bernie is completely eliminated even in his supporters mind than what happens at JPR?

If it continues to be an attack Hillary site...they need to change their name to Jack Pine Republican Radicals...JPRR.

[pat_k]

77. Disturbing.

Reminds me of people who asserted that Bush's theft of the election was "good." The notion was that we'd ultimately be better off because there would be a backlash against the havoc he would wreak upon the nation. Very, very dangerous and irrational thinking. I don't know if the damage that man did to our national soul can ever be repaired.

[qdouble]

82. Some people seem to have a "burn it to the ground" mentality if they don't win, but honestly...

I think it's privilege. I think some people, especially white middle-class Bernie or Busters, think they will be able to survive a Trump presidency and rather the country move backwards, so they can say "I told you so" and have a chance later. Some foolishly buy into Trump's pandering, even though he can take a bunch of positions on anything. Like with TPP. Trump isn't saying he's against free trade, he just says he will make "good deals" and some buy into that absolute non policy.

I hope most come around after the primary, I know it can be an emotional roller coaster when you are fighting for something and lose.

[pat_k]

85. A roller coaster indeed.

At the moment, I'm just tired of all the condemnation of Sanders for not dropping out yesterday. The campaign has made it clear that they are making no final decisions about next steps until after D.C. votes. Folks need to cool it. There will be plenty of time to applaud or lambaste him for the course he chooses after he has actually chosen it.

As Biden points out, he needs to be given the chance to decide when and how to end his bid for the Democratic nomination on his own terms.

I think he'll be endorsing Clinton and releasing his delegates, but he may not. He may decide to take it to a vote on the convention floor -- not to win the nomination, but as a demonstration of the depth of support for his New New Deal within the party.

Either way it's his call.

Polls on how Sanders supporters will breakdown in the general aren't very consistent, but it appears that about 70% plan to get themselves out to vote for Clinton (or at least tick off her name as a vote against Trump). I expect that number to go up. (The number of Clinton supporters who said they wouldn't vote for Obama was pretty high at this point in '08 too.)

For me, and many, many other Sanders supporters, losing the nomination is not the end of the world because it was never just about winning the nomination. It is about much much more. We embrace the amazing accomplishments and will continue doing what we can to serve as agents of meaningful change.

[qdouble]

86. I think most of the calls for Bernie to end his campaign as soon as possible comes from people

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growing tired of the Bernie or Bust crowd. For me, when there are people who are acting like Bernie supporters but who have a negative view of just about every democrat other than Bernie, it's hard to know if they are actually on the same team as the rest of us or not. At least, after Bernie concedes and endorses Clinton...then those folks will have to choose between backing Clinton, writing in Bernie, voting Green, backing Trump or staying home. At least it will be clearer where they are standing. With Bernie carrying on to the convention, you basically have tons of supporters in limbo for a campaign that is essentially wrapping up.

[pat_k]

90. I don't think many are "in limbo"

About 1 in 4 Sanders supporters are "not Hillary" people. I've found that "not Hillary" people are pretty clear on what they plan to do when Hillary wins the nomination -- whether it's sitting it out, writing in Sanders, voting Stein, voting Johnson, or... I can't even say the last option. I think about a quarter of the "not Hillary" people could change their plans and end up ticking the box for Hillary, but they won't do it because Sanders decided to endorse Hillary now instead of waiting until the convention. Any evolution from "not Hillary" to "Hillary" will take time. Fortunately, there's time between now and Nov for such shifts to take place.

Had Sanders won CA, the case that he's the best candidate to pit against Trump would have been strengthened. With a stronger case, there is a legitimate argument that superdelegates should be given the opportunity to consider that case and vote accordingly at the convention.

Although AP has called CA for Hillary, there are so many votes that remain to be counted, the CA result is in a sort of "limbo." If Sanders had dropped out yesterday, he would have alienated supporters who believe he's bowing out prematurely -- CA isn't "finished." Alienated supporters could end up in the "fuck em all" cynical side-liners camp. Not a good thing.

By the time DC votes next week (and Sanders loses by the substantial margins expected) more CA votes will have been counted. Assuming Hillary maintains her margin of victory, the AP call is legitimized. With CA a clear loss, Sanders' case that he's the stronger candidate is weakened. With a weaker case, you can no longer argue that superdelegates should be given the opportunity to consider the case. Bowing out at that point makes sense. It's crystal clear that he took it as far as he could. Supporter complaints that he dropped out before it was really "over" have no legs.

Long story short, giving it a little time before making any final decisions on the course he should take is the right thing to do.

[qdouble]

91. The only way Sanders would have had a legitimate argument at the convention is if he won Cali

in a landslide. I'm talking 80-20... along with winning the other states with a heavy margin. To me, going to the convention down 2 million votes and down 200+ pledged delegates would have still been a very weak argument, so having only narrow victories on Tuesday wouldn't have changed the landscape. Would it have gave his supporters more reason to hope? probably. Would he have a good shot at the convention? No.

The media can call Cali for Hillary even though there are uncounted votes the same way they call races with only 1% of the vote in. They can look at the remaining votes and the demographics and view it is statistically improbable for Bernie to overcome the deficit. They did wait until nearly 80%-90% of the votes that could be counted the first day came in before giving it declaring her the winner, so I'm sure they feel they have a good enough sample size. I'm sure they are using decent statistical models and not just throwing darts at a board.

I do think that him waiting until DC is the right thing to do as he promised to stay in and let his supporters vote. I'm fine with that. However, I think any pretense that the superdelegates are going to overturn the vote should be dismissed.

[pat_k]

96. I think the projection is accurate...

... but with so many votes outstanding there remains some doubt. It is reasonable doubt? That's debatable. And that's the problem. I expect that as soon as there is clearly no reasonable doubt about the CA result any notion that superdelegates need to be given the opportunity to consider the "Bernie's stronger" case will be dropped.

And, back to my earlier post, I don't think there are any (or at least not many) supporters who believed he had a "good shot" at the convention. And certainly Sanders has never said the chances were anything but slim. But he was the longest of longshots in every state (except VT) when he started, and he won 21. His supporters aren't daunted by nearly impossible odds.

[qdouble]

100. Like I said, it's like presuming there's a reasonable doubt when there's only 1% reporting and they

call the race. I think I read and watched a video about it a while ago where the networks have many polling algorithms set up that analyze the existing returns and are fairly accurate at estimating the vote range. While it may seem probable that Bernie could still win, for all we know, the polling algorithm may put the probably as 1 out of a million or something that he would win based on the current trend.

The problem with comparing a contested convention to a regular election, is that the super delegates clearly state who they intend to vote for and when they decide to change who they will vote for the news is alerted to it. That hundreds of super delegates would withhold their intent until the day of the convention is just horribly unrealistic. It makes it seem as if the majority of super delegates wait until the convention to make up their minds when it's the furthest thing from the truth.

[HooptieWagon]

99. Pure Brockoli. You registered March '16.

I've been at JPR since the beginning in Dec, and haven't seen any pro-trump sentiment. You are making a false claim, for the sole purpose of stirring up shit.

[qdouble]

101. Nope, do a google search.... you can easily find more than a few posts on JPR where members

openly say that they'd rather Trump win than Hillary. All of those quotes that I posted are in the thread where Obama declared his support for Hillary, it should be easy enough for you to stumble on. I'll post the link to the filth if you really doubt me.

Supporting Hillary isn't shilling, it's called being a democrat and supporting the presumptive nominee . I have no reason to lie.

[samson212]

102. Hold on, I thought you were putting that on Bernie? What Happened?

You can't blame Bernie, saying he's "continuing a charade", and then change your tune to "there is still a good percentage that thinks he still has a good chance of getting the nomination." Is it Bernie's rhetoric, or the people's belief?

As others have said, Bernie has been completely honest about his chances. Anyone listening to what he's saying knows that it's very unlikely he'll win the nomination, and that the goal now is to push progressive policies into the platform, and hold Clinton accountable to the voters that support Sanders.

On the other hand, I totally get that it's more fun to make up straw men and debate them than to think about what's actually going on in American politics.

[qdouble]

103. It's the people's belief because Bernie isn't being clear about his intentions...it's hand waving...

the same way Trump often says things without actually saying it. Leading people on, but still being able to deny that's what he's intending to do.

To me, it seems more self serving at this point than anything for him to even hint at the race not being essentially over.

[samson212]

104. Talk about hand waving

When? How? Methinks this might be a bit of projection.

I am a Bernie fan, and I don't have that impression, haven't been led on. Bernie has been totally clear with his intentions from day one. Your impressions of him and his campaign, which are clearly not based on things that he has said, have nothing to do with reality. Bernie is one of the most straight-forward politicians I've ever seen. He says what he means and doesn't bandy words. He doesn't flip flop. He doesn't tailor his meaning to the audience.

Do you have specific counterexamples? Can you point to something misleading that Bernie has said? Some line which would lead supporters to a misconception? Or are you just parroting inane talking points?

[qdouble]

105. Him saying that he's taking the fight onto the convention is handwaving. He hasn't made it clear

whether he means that he will just speak about his platform at the convention or if he will be trying to win over super delegates as he said he would do a week ago. This is leaving some of his supporters still holding out in believing that it's his intention to make an argument against Hillary getting the nom at the convention.

[samson212]

106. Hold on, you're being intellectually dishonest.

This is leaving some of his supporters still holding out in believing that it's his intention to make an argument against Hillary getting the nom at the convention.

On what do you base that conclusion? Again, I haven't heard that argument. And if there are some claiming that "it's his intention to make an argument against Hillary getting the nom", the burden is still on you to demonstrate that that's due to Bernie's words, and not the simple fact that there are a lot of people in this country and some of them believe crazy things. Bernie has argued that it's not time to stop fighting, which I think is eminently true. Now is the moment for a full court press, even if the nomination is out of reach.

You can't deny that he has a right to hold out for an actual vote. Hillary's victory is contingent on the vote of the unpledged delegates, who will not vote until the convention. In order for Bernie to take the argument to the convention, this has to be the case -- if Hillary had crossed the finish line already, Bernie would have no leverage. As it stands now, he has every right to go to the convention and make his case.

These aren't separate things -- whether or not it's likely that he wins, whether or not he can convince unpledged delegates to vote for him, he has been clear that he plans to take the fight to the convention. I don't think he's been ambiguous about this. Here's what he said on Wednesday:

Our fight is to transform this country and to understand that we are in this together, understand that all of what we believe is what the majority of American people believe and to understand that the struggle continues.

He's not talking about winning, he's talking about fighting. Every delegate won before the convention means that this progressive movement will have more leverage in Philadelphia.

Anyway, I don't think this conversation is going to go anywhere constructive. I'm talking about my own opinions and things that Bernie has said, whereas you're talking about conclusions you've drawn personally about other people's opinions. I don't see that there's a good way to debate on this issue, as there can be no evidence proving or disproving your point.

[qdouble]

108. The convention is procedural and ceremonial, not revelational. Bernie should know this.

His supporters should know this.That there is any confusion on that is Bernie's fault, imo.

The very meaning of hand waving is to say that he's implying things without necessarily saying it.

Now while you don't think he's suggesting he has a strong chance of winning, in most Bernie Sanders groups there seems to be a significant contingent that still think he does. To me, that you even think he has a strong case to make at the convention is ridiculous.. because he'd be suggesting that they overturn the clear will of the voters... even though the superdelegates have already stated clearly to the media outlets that they will vote for Hillary.

[samson212]

110. Whatevs. Nice trying to chat with you. nt.

[Demsrule86]

94. I wonder if Bernie plans to fund raise off of it. nt

[jcgoldie]

21. That was before

His month of hypocrisy on the national stage.

[imagine2015]

22. Perhaps they are really DINO'S?

[leftofcool]

26. Our "Queen"? You mean the Democratic Nominee?

[leftinportland]

46. Yep, on this site at least a coronation took place...

[NanceGreggs]

41. "Sanders was revered ...

... by most on this site."

MORE revered on this site were people like Howard Dean, Al Franken, John Lewis, Gabby Giffords, Rachel Maddow - and many, MANY more - who "had hatred spewed on them" the very minute they endorsed Hillary, or even spoke positively about her.

Bernie wasn't even a blip on DU's radar when THOSE people were being praised on a regular basis for their commitment to progressive causes.

And yet, the BSers threw them ALL under the bus, and declared them bought-and-paid-for sell-outs who had NEVER really been on the people's side, who had NEVER really accomplished anything, and who had NEVER really been trustworthy from the start.

That "queen" you speak of is the nominee of the Democratic Party for POTUS - and she got there because the voters PUT her there.

Funny how the Bernie supporters have talked throughout this campaign as HRC wanting a "coronation" - when that is EXACTLY what Bernie wanted when he said he'd convince the SDs to hand him the nomination against the will of the voters.

Well, Bernie isn't getting the crown - and if he'd stop acting as though he is somehow still entitled to it, maybe people would stop dumping on him.

[k8conant]

55. I disagree with your statement...

but if it makes you happy to short-circuit the nomination process go ahead.

[NanceGreggs]

58. The nomination process ...

... has not been "short-circuited" - it has also not been rigged, manipulated, compromised, biased, folded, spindled, stapled or mutilated in any way.

Bernie LOST. And that's the end of that sad tale.

[k8conant]

60. Keep telling yourself that while the votes are still being counted in California...

[NanceGreggs]

62. Because the votes in California ...

... are going to give Bernie the nomination?

He LOST. Deal with it. And unless the final vote count shows that he won 375% of the state, it isn't going to make any difference.

[k8conant]

63. I don't believe it's over until it's over (at the end of July)

and neither does Bernie Sanders.

[NanceGreggs]

64. And what you ...

... and Bernie Sanders "believe" is of no consequence in the real world.

Many people believe the Rapture is coming - that doesn't make them, or their concept, credible.

[Tortmaster]

84. The Cleveland Cavaliers beat the Toronto Raptors in game six to ...

... clinch the best of seven series in the Eastern Conference finals. They short-circuited the process!

[Number23]

75. I agree. Bernie Sanders, despite damn near 30 years in Congress, barely registered a blip with me

before he decided to run for president. Which is telling, in and of itself.

And when he did run my first thoughts were, "he's a great guy. This will be great." And then his supporters (including a handful of the tiny handful of black Sanders supporters that exist) started saying black people were supporting her because of "name recognition" only and how his marches 50 years ago somehow proved he was the best candidate for black people TODAY.

What did him in for me was his inability to ever fully explain exactly why he was running for president in the first place and his lack of knowledge on foreign and domestic policy was damn near mortifying. The shenanigans from his campaign ie attempting to improperly access Hillary's data, SUING the DNC when they got caught and then FUNDRAISING off that crap sealed the deal for me.

So I went from "I don't know much about this guy but I'm excited to know more" to "get the fuck outta here" in like, less than six months.

[NanceGreggs]

81. The first time I heard ...

... the "nobody knows who I am" BernieByte, my first thought was: If you've been in politics this long and nobody knows who you are, maybe that's the problem right there.

[k8conant]

98. When I saw the arrogance and superciliousness of Hillary and her supporters,

I was totally alienated and wondered if I'd ever be able to support her for president. A year later I'm still wondering.

If nothing changes, nothing changes.

[Number23]

109. Sounds like you have alot of shit to deal with right now. I have no doubt you'll keep us all posted

Whether anyone is interested or not.

[Hekate]

61. We did? No, we didn't. But we did respect him.

This whole campaign has been very rough and I won't rehash the details, except to say the content of your post is sadly typical.

June16

[Florencenj2point0]

13. sigh

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[KingFlorez]

14. Why even say that?

He knows that the results are not really going to change much, so why give supporters false hope?

[riversedge]

16. Well, lets be honest--It is what he has been doing for some time now.

[geek tragedy]

15. Eh. He's doing the right thing. Give him some space. nt

[Adrahil]

47. Agree. He'll stand down after DC, I think. NT

[AzDar]

19. They haven't.

[pat_k]

71. It amazes me that stating a simple fact prompts such disdainful remarks.

Los Angeles Times: "Wednesday's big question: How many uncounted California ballots?"
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html

The independent Target Book, a publication that handicaps congressional and legislative races, called it "probable" that as many as 3 million ballots could remain uncounted by time Tuesday night ended. And traditionally, said the analysts, those ballots tend to have come from Democrats, young and Latino voters.

[fried eggs]

23. Paging Dr. Phil...

Is it time for a professional intervention?

[eastwestdem]

24. Also, keep sending money. nt

[panader0]

25. Aren't there about a million ballots yet to be counted?

If I am wrong please show me.

[Live and Learn]

28. Yep and they are the provisional ballots which many Bernie supporters had to use. nt

[Zorro]

33. Here ya go

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/statewide-elections/2016-primary/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf

Assuming a 50/50 split between Democratic and Republican ballots, Sanders would have to get over 60% of the remaining votes to win the primary. Not going to happen.

[panader0]

34. So Bernie's right. The final results are not in.

[senseandsensibility]

39. Yes.

Bernie is always right.

[Fresh_Start]

52. same as every previous election: it takes time to count the votes

The state has approximately 3-4 weeks to certify the results.

[avaistheone1]

36. That's a fine crystal ball you've got.

Did you get it at Walmart?

Instead perhaps we should wait until the results come in before we genuflect to your psychic predictions.

[Zorro]

37. Math is hard for Berniacs

[avaistheone1]

38. You can't do math without the numbers.

Fact is that you don't have them.

Is that so difficult for Hillaryhacks to understand?

[Zorro]

40. The numbers are in the linked report and website

Can't help it if you're too lazy to do the calculations yourself.

Just to further clarify based on a 50/50 Dem/Rep ballot split, Bernie would have to get 67.3% of the remaining votes.

[avaistheone1]

43. Hold the press. ....Jeez.why don't you get off your indolent azz

and call the California Secty of State and tell them what your numbers are. The world is breathlessly waiting.

Then there will be no need for an official ballot count. Heavens why would we need that when we have your numbers?!!

[Zorro]

45. Public education has obviously failed you

No wonder Berniacs can't do math.

[avaistheone1]

48. Just perhaps it is YOU that public education has failed when you think

you have CA elections numbers, that you obviously are not aware of. Surely you have numbers that even the California Secty of State doesn't have! I think you are a vapid clown. Careful there Zorro don't fall on your sword.

LOL

[Zorro]

49. Failure at math AND a failure at reading comprehension. A twofer.

The link I provided in this subthread was to the California Secretary of State's official unprocessed ballot report.

Try reading it with your eyelids open this time.

[postatomic]

29. :shakinghead:

I won't say what I really want to say. It's just very sad.

[wendylaroux]

30. You people are greasy

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. California: Unprocessed Ballots Status

From the Secretary of State

Unprocessed Ballots Status
It typically takes weeks to process and count all of the ballots. Elections officials have approximately one month to complete their extensive tallying, auditing, and certification work (known as the "official canvass&quot .

Most notably, voting by mail has increased significantly in recent years and many vote-by-mail ballots arrive on Election Day. In addition, vote-by-mail ballots postmarked on or before Election Day and received by county elections officials no later than 3 days after Election Day must be processed. In processing vote-by-mail ballots, elections officials must confirm each voter's registration status, verify each voter's signature on the vote-by-mail envelope, and ensure each person did not vote elsewhere in the same election before the ballot can be counted.

Other ballots that are processed after Election Day include provisional ballots (processed similar to vote-by-mail ballots), and ballots that are damaged or cannot be machine-read and must be remade by elections officials.

The Unprocessed Ballots Report (PDF) features unofficial county updates on the number of outstanding ballots that still need to be processed during the official canvass. This information is voluntarily reported by county elections officials and may not be complete.

State law requires county elections officials to report their final results to the Secretary of State by July 8, 2016. The Secretary of State then has until July 15, 2016, to certify the results of the election. For the most up-to-date vote counts before the statewide certified results are published, contact a county elections office directly.

This process is not quick, becuase counting real ballots is time consuming.

[pat_k]

67. Seems like they could go faster than this:

In about 24 hours 66,722 added to count.

Democratic presidential primary ballots counted:

3,482,752 as of June 8, 6:34 p.m

3,549,474 as of June 9, 7:31 p.m

Source: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

[Agnosticsherbet]

68. That actually is probably quite fast.

There are many steps in process mail-in ballots, it is labor intensive, and everything must be properly witnessed.

In most states touchscreen computers without a paper trail go to tabulators that count the votes. Most of them do not have any way of going back and looking at the raw votes, but they are fast.

Anytime it is necessary to check and scan in votes by hand, it takes a while.

[pat_k]

72. I'll take slow and verifiable any day.

Which gives me a chance to plug https://www.verifiedvoting.org/

A worthwhile org to support.

[BreakfastClub]

50. Poor guy. nt

[chillfactor]

51. may be not....

but they are not helping Bernie

[Basement Beat]

53. What's so sad and wrong with wanting every vote counted? (n/t)

[pat_k]

66. +1

Los Angeles Times: "Wednesday's big question: How many uncounted California ballots?"
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html

The independent Target Book, a publication that handicaps congressional and legislative races, called it "probable" that as many as 3 million ballots could remain uncounted by time Tuesday night ended. And traditionally, said the analysts, those ballots tend to have come from Democrats, young and Latino voters.

I've been checking the SoS site in the evenings.
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

Democratic presidential primary ballots counted:

3,482,752 as of June 8, 6:34 p.m

3,549,474 as of June 9, 7:31 p.m

So, in about 24 hours 66,722 added to count.

[bhikkhu]

56. And if every uncounted ballot went to Bernie...

that would still not give him the delegates he needs to catch up. I really appreciate his stance on most issues, but at some point reality has to set in.

[Armstead]

78. To all of you santimonious jackasses

Can you keave him the fick alone? He fucking knows its over as far as the nomination goes.

iF you listened to his statement after meeting with Obams its clear he knows it, and he was signaling it.

He's trying to end it well and trying to figure out what next. The guy's got millions of people who love him pulling him in one direction, the estsblishment pulling him in the other.

Goddam it some people here behave like they have no humanity.

[NurseJackie]

93. Trying to figure out what's next? Clearly, making decisions under pressure...

... would not have been one of his strengths as president.

[mythology]

95. You wrote establishment, but what you mean is the fact that more people

voted for Clinton. By saying it's the establishment, you're effectively trying to deny and denigrate Clinton supporters.

And saying that people have no humanity is just silly. One might even call it sanctimonious. It's not like voting for Clinton means she's going to shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails. It's a peaceful election. Sanders will continue to be a Senator, he's not getting sent to a gulag.

[MFM008]

83. I have never seen results flip once called

except Florida in 2000.
we all know what and WHO was behind that.

[quaker bill]

87. it is true, so he gets to say it.

He will lose DC anyway, probably by a large margin.

[Demsrule86]

92. Bernie looks so bad ...so bad.

It will take a week or two for all the provisional ballots deemed legitimate to be counted. He simply can't accept the fact he lost. If he does not concede and endorse after DC at the latest...he will have no influence at all.

[Orsino]

107. How many were supposed to be counted?

I can never recall.