Is anybody going to talk about the claim about Sanders possibly winning California?

[Seeinghope]

Considering the provisional ballots and voter suppression again the win should be for Sanders.

Justice Gazette .org. Gregg Palast

[Trust Buster]

1. He lost California by a wide margin.

[840high]

5. Results won't be in for a while.

[Trust Buster]

7. OH, the results are very much in.

[reformist2]

44. Yet another fraudulent election, full of dirty tricks.

[metroins]

60. Conspiracy Theories

Nomination is over.

[Demsrule86]

91. Yet another election that Sanders lost

because he had no ground game...worst campaign in history. He had all those enthusiastic voters but could not translate that into votes...too bad he did not let his campaign people call the shot instead of himself.

[leftinportland]

131. Worse campaign in history...bull shit

A candidate begins a campaign with ZERO chance of winning more than 1 or 2 states, the candidate then comes in a close second...and you say the campaign was the worse ever...WTF kind of twisted thinking would come to that conclusion?

[reformist2]

132. The kind pf thinking that is hostile to anyone who dared oppose the chosen one.

I honestly believe the HRC campaign is constitutionally incapable of reaching out to people who decided not to go with Hillary the first time around. They may try, but the chip on their shoulder will prevent them from doing it believably.

[Demsrule86]

144. I did not say it was the worst. Bernie was his own worst enemy...he should have listened to his team

Nevada was a big blow to Sanders and in my opinion has much to do with his loss...you can't call California Senators -both women-ugly sexist names without repercussions. I said they had a lousy ground game and they did...I pointed out that a campaign with a real chance to win can lose if the ground game is weak. Consider California...months before the primary..the word should have been out about requesting a Democratic primary ballot...supporters should have been called...repeatedly. I have been a part of GOTV for a number of campaigns...including both Obama campaigns. We worked on all state voting issues. Sander called the shots if politico is correct, and he should not have done so. Running for the presidency is way different than running for the Senate in a small state.

[Lord Magus]

137. You're talking to somebody who thinks the elections must be rigged because of rally sizes.

Rational thinking doesn't apply to him.

[Demsrule86]

143. Good point. Nt

[Capt. Obvious]

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Not only a conspiracy theory, a 100% baseless one.

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[reformist2]

110. Thank you. If we can't even express our opinion that elections can be rigged, then

this place really isn't worth it.

[obamanut2012]

113. You have until the 16th to do so

Skinner said that. Talking about GOP voter suppression will be allowed, saying the primaries were rigged for HRC will not be.

[pangaia]

118. Better watch your back. It is getting really, really bad.

I tell you, if I decide to stay here, they have succeeded in having me afraid to say many things.. that are allowed.

[scscholar]

81. This. She already won...

so the results don't matter one way or another.

[brush]

12. So you think all those ballots will be for Sanders?

None for Clinton, or any of the others running?

[Seeinghope]

16. Read the details of the articles.

[brush]

18. I don't have to. All the ballots are not for Sanders. He lost. Face the music.

[Sancho]

28. Hillary won by a lot.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

[Live and Learn]

43. Not by over 2 million. And yes, a big % of those will be Sanders votes. nt

[Demsrule86]

94. The vote count so far has put her ahead even more.

USA Daily Politics cited a blog post by investigative journalist Greg Palast to support its claim that a majority of provisional ballots were discarded. However, that claim was addressed and largely debunked the next day, when Dean Logan of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk addressed fears of uncounted provisional ballots on Twitter and stated that most would probably be deemed valid and added to totals:

8 Jun
Julio Newman @writingnewman
.@LACountyRRCC how certain will provisional ballots be counted? Many reports of outdated voting rolls, forcing dems to vote provisionally
Follow
Dean Logan, RR/CC ✔ @LACountyRRCC
@writingnewman All provisional ballots will be processed; those validated will be counted. Historically, 85-90% are determined valid.

From Snopes...all ballots will be counted and Sanders still loses. Also Clinton did not even need California, and it is clear that supers have moved so he has no hope of winning period. Move on.

[Ash_F]

99. Then there is nothing to fear from counting them

Regardless of who won, people's votes should be counted.

This situation is absurd.

[ButterflyBlood]

104. Yes they will be counted

And after they are, Hillary will still be the winner.

[Demsrule86]

123. I am not afraid of counting anything.

However, she has won ...assuming this overturned California which it won't...it still would not matter. Waste of time and money. She has the votes without California...and the delegates. But by all means if it stops the whining...then count. Last time you counted though in Kentucky Bernie lost a delegate.

[Live and Learn]

128. Counting votes is a waste of time and money???? Wow.

Thankfully, it is California law.

[kpola12]

139. We need to just let MSM and Supers decide. They really don't need us.

[Ash_F]

163. There are other items on the ballot.

[politicaljunkie41910]

162. People's votes should be counted IF they voted correctly. If they didn't, they shouldn't.

Anyone can request a provisional ballot on election day, if their name doesn't show up on the voter's roll. This doesn't mean that their vote will count. This means that they can vote until the matter is investigated. Independents were not eligible to vote in the CA Democratic Primary. Only Democrats and No Preference Party (NPP) Candidates could vote in the CA Primary, but you would have had to register as either a Democrat or a NPP to receive a Presidental Candidate Ballot. If you were a registered Democrat. You would have automatically received a Presidential Ballot. If you were registered as an NPP, you had to request a Presidential Ballot. If you were registered as anything other than a Democrat or a NPP you were not eligible to receive a Presidential Candidate Ballot and were only eligible to vote for down ballot candidates. If you were something other than those two listed and received a provisional ballot which included Presidential Candidates, you should not have been eligible to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidates.

If you got bad information, it was your candidate's fault. CA had one of the latest registration deadlines, and one of the easiest on-line registration processes. After reading all the hoopla on DU I went on line to see how easy/difficult it was to register. Even though I was already registered, I thought the instructions were pretty easy to follow even as regards to the NPP even though I had no previous experience with it. I had no need for it this time as it stands, but I was simply trying to see how simple/difficult the instructions were to follow.

CA also had the latest return date for Mail-in Ballots with ballots having to be postmarked by midnight on election day. Any ballot postmarked by midnight on election day was to be counted, regardless of when received. Most states require that your mail in ballot be received on or before election day to count.

FTR, the CA GOP had a closed election on July 7. Only registered Republicans could vote in their primary. Independents could not and NPPs could not. I don't recall hearing a single story reported in the news where Independents who wanted to vote for Trump said that they were disenfranchised because they were not allowed to vote. I already expressed my opinion to the CA DNC Party that if the GOP can have a Closed Primary so that only registered members of their party can vote, than so why can't we. The matter will be reviewed after the dust settles and the air clears. I live in an area which is predominately GOP and they were planning to reek havoc on the Dem Primary by changing their registration to NPP so that they could vote for Bernie since Trump had already solidified the minimum number of GOP delegates prior to June 7 to secure the GOP nomination.

[Surya Gayatri]

164. PSA: California Presidential Primary Election June 7, 2016, President Democratic - Statewide Results

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/party/democratic/

Statewide
100.0% ( 22,356 of 22,356 ) precincts partially reporting as of June 10, 2016, 6:43 p.m.

Candidate Votes %
Hillary Clinton (DEM) 2,128,194 55.7%
Roque De La Fuente (DEM) 6,294 0.2%
Henry Hewes (DEM) 5,781 0.2%
Keith Judd (DEM) 5,851 0.2%
Bernie Sanders (DEM) 1,653,416 43.3%
Michael Steinberg (DEM) 8,661 0.2%
Willie Wilson (DEM) 9,516 0.2%

____________________________

You're welcome.

Sorry Charlie. Gig's up.

[Fla Dem]

166. Yes, there are still mail in ballots to be counted. Bernie would have to win 75%.

California primary vote tightens as Sanders supporters hope for a miracle

Daily Beast
By David Weigel June 14 at 11:06 AM

According to the secretary of state, there are 2,303,639 ballots left to process, including 717,862 provisional ballots. More than 500,000 of the outstanding ballots are in Los Angeles County, and more than 150,000 are in Alameda County, a liberal part of the Bay Area where Clinton surprised with an Election Day win. Sanders could improve his vote in both counties, where he campaigned vigorously. But with Clinton's current lead at 476,824 votes, Sanders would need to win 60 percent of the outstanding ballots to pass her — if every outstanding vote was for a Democrat. Since roughly one-third of the late ballots counted so far have been in the Republican primary or for third parties, Sanders would need to win closer to 75 percent of Democratic ballots for a victory, a bigger margin than he won in any primary outside of his native Vermont.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-is-about-to-clean-donald-trump-s-clock.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin' / Plannin' and dreamin' each night of his charms / That won't get you into his arms…

[Nye Bevan]

2. No (nt)

[Tarc]

3. Seeing how it is complete-arsed bullshit, not really, no

So, perhaps you should move on.

[bravenak]

4. This is strange.

[grossproffit]

13. I believe that's why it took so long for Bernie to speak. They had hoped it would tighten up.

Ain't gonna happen.

California is Clinton Country. Yeah, I know "big rallies! yard signs! bumper stickers!" blah, blah, blah.

[bravenak]

23. Nobody I know went to even one rally. But they voted, Hillary mostly.

I think they mistook noise for votes. I feel bad for him when he finally concedes and endorses Hillary. I hope his supporters support his decision to fight Trump rather than fighting Hillary. I think we could run the table on the Donald.

[GulfCoast66]

37. Right.

Because her supporters they have jobs, families and soccer practice.

And by the time you are 40 years old standing with a crowd of kids for 5 hours waiting to hear an anger old man talking about a revolution is just not appealing.

[bravenak]

38. The caucus was bad enough

I find that I no longer like being pressed against strangers in convention centers. People stink too and it bugs me. All those bodies.
I'd rather just watch an event on tv with my husband and kick back.

[GulfCoast66]

39. Yep

This has been a great day for America. The democratic party is coming together. And I do believe Bernie has made it stronger. Some of his supporters, well, never mind.

I can't wait to see the first female president sworn in with the first African-American president turning the government take over to her.

Because I do not forget that the most radical part of America is that each election power is transferred peacefully! That is the most radical part of America.

Of course Bravenak, even though you and I agree now, I would not surprised if you thought the founders were not the most radical part of America!! And would respect that.

Have a great evening with your husband.

[bravenak]

40. Ha! You'd be right about that!

I think the abolitionists and slaves were the real radicals. Look at what they did for us.

[GulfCoast66]

41. Can't argue against that

We stand on the shoulders of giants. And at the time they lived none of them were considered conservatives.

I am sure in the future on this site we will disagree on details, but not where the rubber meets the road.

[MFM008]

72. Omg were you at my caucus?

It was packed. Sweaty. Smelly.... or wait. Is that EVERY caucus?

[bravenak]

73. Every caucus I have ever seen was a hot, humid, sweaty, mess.

I really cannot stand them.

[Live and Learn]

45. More unity building, I see. Glad to know you don't need my vote.

By the way, I have a job and family and thank gawd my soccer practice days are long behind me.

If you think Bernie is an angry old man, you really don't know him at all and his 'Political Revolution' talk was much more appealing than the alternative which I can assure you is coming.

[GulfCoast66]

48. Ok

So what is the alternative you assure me is coming. I am curious.

[Live and Learn]

49. Wow, you really haven't been paying attention.

Best if I let you enjoy your 'win' for a bit.

[GulfCoast66]

52. So

Why do you even care what I think. And before you state you do not, the fact that you keep engaging me says you do.

We democrats are in route to an historic win.

I hope you can find joy in it. N

[lancer78]

70. To a Sanders supporter

It is hard to find joy in same shit, different day. High college loan costs, wars, very few economic opportunities. And yes, he would have been unable to get any of the stuff he wanted passed, but neither can HRC.

[RazBerryBeret]

54. dismissive much

FYI, I have a job and a family. but NOT a soccer mom, is that what you are implying? otherwise this post is complete BS.

[GulfCoast66]

59. All I was trying to say

Is that the attendance numbers at rallies is not an indicator of support.

But what ever. Bernie has lost and next week he will support Hillary.

What will you do??

[JonLeibowitz]

62. First thing will be to not tell you on DU. Others may differ, but that seems silly to do.

[GulfCoast66]

67. Well

We will miss you here.

[JonLeibowitz]

68. I'm not going anywhere. There's no requirement that I must write gushing comments about the nominee

That's not in Skinner's rules.

[GulfCoast66]

74. Glad to hear it

I find talking with those who agree with me boring and prefer spirited debate.

Well, not with right wingers which are clearly not👍

Have a nice evening.

[NCTraveler]

93. You get the rules...

And know DU is open to a wide variety of progressive conversation. There isn't a rule on this site that says you have to say one positive thing about Clinton.

Outside of one instance, "purges" are nothing more than self fulfilling prophecies.

[JonLeibowitz]

111. I just said that. The person I was replying to didn't understand that.

[NCTraveler]

112. Somewhat poorly worded on my part.

Should have just said "agree". Many of our non Clinton fans are great contributors to this board. I don't want them torpedoing themselves. I appreciate that you get that.

[JonLeibowitz]

125. Ah, ok.

[RazBerryBeret]

69. but that's NOT what you said.

you once again lumped all the Bernie supporters into one category.... a bunch of know-nothing "kids" with nothing better to do than stand around and listen to an "anger" old man.

and that is very wrong and very dismissive. I'm a 50 year old liberal with a career and a family. I have supported all the democratic presidential nominees since Clinton; canvassing, phone banking, donating. I was a precinct leader for movon.org in 2004 in their GOTV effort, I was almost arrested at the polls for doing this--Ohio, very Republican precinct.

so lighten up, putting Bernie supporters down is not getting you anywhere.

[peace13]

71. My family had jobs and went to see Obama. We volunteered and we had jobs.

People of all ages were there. It is a matter of priority and actually teaches young soccer players about the process. I don't understand Clinton supporters mocking rallies and people who go to them. Listening to this type of argument is disturbing. Our country is one microwave dinner from being non existent. So many people respect nothing and run the rat track of their life like there is nothing else.

If you hope to get Clinton elected some of you are going to need to volunteer and make it happen! Someone is going to have to carpool the kids. Volunteer on Saturdays and make some calls. That's how it works!

Sorry to sound cranky but Houston we have a problem.

[charlyvi]

97. Saying that large rallies do not translate into votes is not mocking large rallies.

It's just saying that they don't always translate into votes; nothing more. And broad brush stroking Clinton supporters is wrong. We know what it takes to get Clinton elected; after all, our candidate won. And yes, you do sound a bit cranky. I hope everything is okay with you.


And P.S. Caucuses are just downright unrepresentative of voters as a whole. Not enough people can get to them or choose not to participate. But that's beside the point, because they are not rallies.

[peace13]

98. Aaa...you may want to reread some of those, in this OP and across the Board.

Saying that 'I have a job' is equal to 'get a job' which is rude at a minimum. I'm not going to change your mind here so I will leave it at...at some point Hill fans are going to have to get out and work for the candidate they chose! When they do, they will understand that rallies build the work force that will carry the campaign through the GE. They build the email list and an avenue to reach people. Thanks for the kind words. Stolen elections and disenfranchised voters are hard to watch. My best to you.

[charlyvi]

101. Once more...

NO ONE is disrespecting rallies. Please do not lecture me on what it takes to elect a candidate......my candidate won. But I guess it's easier to believe stolen election theories and Bernie as martyr/victim. Goodbye. Have a good life.

[Adrahil]

151. I don't have any issue with people going to rallies...

But thry are not predictive of actual results.

[peace13]

157. ....this year!

Eight years ago...not so much. Without a free press we don't know and without exit polls we are lost! Enjoy the ride. The outcome is on you. I saw a tea bagger friend today and he said he won't vote for either candidate. We didn't have the heart to tell him that he drove the bus that got us here. Hill supporters will carry the load as well!

[Adrahil]

158. One year of data does not establish predective power...

... You know this, right?

[peace13]

159. I could never as smart as you.......

[Zynx]

6. Very very very very unlikely.

There are a lot of votes to be counted, but there's little reason to think it will overturn the results.

[grossproffit]

8. Her votes will go up as well.

[840high]

9. ....

Wednesday's big question: How many uncounted California ballots ...
www.latimes.com/.../la-pol-ca-california-primary-wed...
Los Angeles Times
50 mins ago - The two Democrats will face off in a November runoff . .... County election officials have until July 5 to submit their final results for presidential .

[YouDig]

10. I'm sure some people will talk about that just like any other dumb conspiracy on the internet.

[Matt_R]

145. Elvis never did no drugs...

Clinton never stole no election.

[oberliner]

154. The claim you are making is that Clinton stole the election?

Is that right?

[Proud Public Servant]

11. No reason to

The early ballots will break heavily for Hillary, so that even if the provisional ballots break for Bernie the two would likely balance each other out. The margin might tighten (though it could just as easily expand), but it's very unlikely we'll see a 13-point lead reversed.

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. Oh my, wouldn't that be embarrassing?

Calls to mind that saying about "laughing last". Time will tell.

[Adrahil]

21. Say that by some miracle...

Sander eeked out a narrow victory.... so what? If wouldn't change a thing. Clinton would still win the nomination.

But no fucking way a 13 point gap closes. Won't happen.

[Waiting For Everyman]

24. Oh, I think that would be pretty embarrassing. nt

[Adrahil]

25. By the time it happened, Bernie will have already endorsed her.

No one would care. But it's certain to NOT happen.

[Waiting For Everyman]

26. Pretty sure it would still matter quite a bit. nt

[Zorro]

17. Sanders remains rattled by the California vote

He just can't seem to accept "the most liberal state in the country" would so decisively vote for Clinton over him.

[grossproffit]

19. Happy to have done my part.

[brush]

22. Diverse states were his achilles heel through out the campaign with few exceptions.

He shouldn't be surprised.

[Matt_R]

146. Elvis never did no drugs...

AP didn't swing the election/suppress the vote.

[brush]

149. Explain please.

[Matt_R]

150. Its cool you don't get it.

AP called it for Clinton so democrats could sit out the California election.

therefore. Elvis never did no drugs.

[brush]

153. How profound. Wish I hadn't bothered.

[Matt_R]

156. But you did, and are still responding.

I guess you have a lot of time on your hands sice you stopped bashing Sanders supporters.

[Live and Learn]

50. And the AP and Clinton campaign collussion to suppress the vote doesn't bother you even the

slightest?

[HooptieWagon]

77. If the warmongering, hanging with Kissinger,...

Dozens of speeches to Wall St elitists, and compulsive lying doesn't bother them, I doubt election fraud will. It's the New Democrat style...indistinguishable from the old Republican style.

[redstateblues]

120. Same old smears

[HooptieWagon]

121. Just the facts, ma'am.

[obamanut2012]

115. lolz you guys!

[BobbyDrake]

92. Politico has an article today stating that Sanders stopped polling in CA ahead of vote due to cost.

His campaign couldn't afford to keep tracking the electorate, and all they had to go on where the polls designed by media outlets to make his campaign look more viable than it actually was in reality.

[stonecutter357]

103. +1000

[Starry Messenger]

20. Greg Palast has proven himself a crank.

CA is counting the remaining ballots--actually Hillary's margin is getting wider as more votes are counted.

CA has until July 5th to count and certify the election, as Greg, with his hawesome powers of investigation and the Google, could have found out.

[kpola12]

27. This isn't near over.

The convention is still a month and a half away.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. So embarrassing

Just cringing for you now.

Some dignity, please. There's still time.

[NurseJackie]

42. Thank you!

Is it time for tough love?

[obamanut2012]

116. Yeah, I've been trying not to roll my eyes about this

But come on!

[eastwestdem]

31. If it wasn't for the wingnuts here, I never would have heard of this...and

I read a lot of political press.

[jcgoldie]

32. He lost and it wasn't close

I mean if reality has no bearing on the conversation then what the hell's the point?

[Lance Bass esquire]

33. This is just my 2 cents.

Social media is the world my 23 year old son grew up with. We live in California. Over the past few months he's been giving me updates as too what his Facebook and snap chat friends have been doing politically online. Bernie had a huge following . After Tuesdays results he polled 18 of his Sanders supporters and out of 18 only 3 actually voted!!! These peeps had been arguing in the digital world on a daily basis as too why Bernie should be president but they sat on their hands come voting day. I was shocked. Online polls and huge rally crowds don't mean squat if you don't vote. Not the norm I know but this does happen more than we would like to admit. Just my 2 cents.

[FSogol]

34. I posted this back on the day of the VA Primary

27. An anecdotal story about today's primary in VA. A story of slacktivism!

My son is a sophomore at VCU in Richmond, but his home is in No Va. About a month ago, he requested a absentee ballot, received it, filled it out, voted for HRC, and sent it back. He called this morning to make sure his brother was going to vote. His brother (who is also planning on voting for HRC), was surprised that the younger one didn't vote for Sanders.

My younger son claimed that while he liked Sanders, Sander's revolution was an illusion. He said that on campus, everyone loves Sanders and talks about him nonstop, but none of his supporters are voting. They aren't registered, didn't request absentee ballots, don't have time to vote, don't know where to vote, etc. etc. He couldn't find a Sanders supporter that actually voted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511379163#post27

[Lance Bass esquire]

35. The silver lining is

Next time they will remember and VOTE

[Lance Bass esquire]

47. Since world war 2

The rule in my family is YOU VOTE ! Does not matter who you vote for. To many of my clan has spilled their blood defending America (rightly or wrongly ) for the right to do so.

[FSogol]

87. Both of my sons (college age) have never missed an election or primary. n/t

[grossproffit]

46. Almost missed this post. I hope others read it as well. Thank you for posting this.eom

[Agnosticsherbet]

127. Most important thread in this post.

Very good.

[Skwmom]

36. As they say what difference does it make. But it might explain the rush to align behind her.

[okasha]

53. This is what parties do once they have a nominee.

The vote percentages are not going to change in any significant way. Hillary and her high-level supporters have gone out of their way to be cordial to Sanders, but the convention Ian't going to hand him a nomination he didn't win.

It's over.

[Skwmom]

58. They couldn't wait until DC voted? Really?

[okasha]

63. The only effect DC will have is to increase Hillary's majority.

And no, there was no reason to wait. The strategic thing right now is to get the Democratic heavy-hitters onto the field against Trump, who is a clear and present danger to the country.

[Skwmom]

75. He is such a danger they did EVERYTHING they could in primary after primary to elect the weakest

candidate. Makes perfect sense.

[hack89]

114. They meaning the voters?

it is amazing we still leave such important decisions in the hands of the people.

[randome]

122. Democracy is best left to social media and the fleeting moods of birds at large venues.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[hack89]

126. Don't forget the vital role of big corporate media and their polls. nt

[Skwmom]

129. The Establishment.

[hack89]

130. So you completely discount the votes of millions of people?

because they didn't support your guy? Ok.

[Demsrule86]

95. Why should they waste the time?

We have to defeat the orange threat...he would destroy our country...you Bernie voters don't get that. You think Trump is a lousy candidate, but he could win on a state by state vote...those of us with actual election experience know that Trump could win and time is a wasting...we are moving strongly to elect Clinton a Democrat in Ohio now as well.

[ButterflyBlood]

108. It's pretty obvious who DC will vote for and by a wide margin....

Not that it matters too much. Even if Sanders received 100% of the vote in DC he'd still lose in delegates.

[Matt_R]

148. +1

[postatomic]

51. Is anyone going to talk about me having Ice Cream tonight?

It's not a normal part of my diet but today was a special day.

[murielm99]

57. We had champagne.

That is not a normal part of my diet, either, but it was worth it.

[RufusTFirefly]

55. Losing California would've been absolutely devastating to the Clinton campaign

That's why she was proclaimed the winner.

(Feel free to read between the lines.)

[reformist2]

142. Exactly. I knew before primary day they would make sure she "won". And they did.

This was the first time I looked upon the primary results with detached calm, knowing that it was all a fraud. The fix is in.

We are allowed to quibble about he little things, but when it comes to big money and foreign policy, we have NO say. None.

[Fresh_Start]

56. yes, there are a lot of votes outstanding....Trump votes, Cruz votes, Sanders votes, Clinton votes,.

I believe that the race will tighten up....
let them count the votes.

It looked to me, that Sanders got the Sanders counties and Clinton got the Clinton counties.
I don't expect that demographics of the two candidates voters to switch...which would suggest that at the end Clinton will still end up on top.

[Agnosticsherbet]

61. People should know that a lot of those ballots probably aren't for the Democratic Primary.

How many will be Republican or Green (Neither of which can vote in the Democratic Primary.)
And how many will be No Party Preference. (They chose not to vote in the Presidential primary)

Now we get to the subset of ballots that are for the Democratic Primary.
We will have to wait and see, but Clinton won a good majority of those who voted Tuesday. She is likely to continue to win by at least a small percentage.

[Agnosticsherbet]

64. SNOPES: Ballot Blocks It's true that millions of California ballots have yet to be certified

[link:http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/|Ballot Blocks: It's true that millions of California ballots
It is possible (though not certain) that the gap between Sanders and Clinton might narrow further as more votes were certified, but California's lengthy post-election process is neither fraudulent nor secretive. Mainstream news outlets and county officials frequently and regularly interact with concerned citizens, and invite them to observe the certification process.

It's a long read, but worth it. Good information.

[still_one]

80. Absolutely. Greg Palest started the bullshit how Provisional ballots aren't counted, and that is a

LIE as far as California is concerned. ALL BALLOTS are counted:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/
"What Happens After You Cast a Provisional Ballot?

Your provisional ballot will be counted after elections officials have confirmed that you are registered to vote in that county and you did not already vote in that election.

You may vote a provisional ballot at any polling place in the county in which you are registered to vote, however, only the elections contests you are eligible to vote for will be counted."


From Snopes:

"SA Daily Politics cited a blog post by investigative journalist Greg Palast to support its claim that a majority of provisional ballots were discarded. However, that claim was addressed and largely DEBUNKED the next day, when Dean Logan of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk addressed fears of uncounted provisional ballots on Twitter and stated that most would probably be deemed valid and added to totals:

All provisional ballots will be processed; those validated will be counted. Historically, 85-90% are determined valid.
(Dean Logan- Registrar-Recorder/CountyClerk) Los Angeles County

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

What is sad, is how some people will accept anything if it supports their view, whether it is true or not

I am really tired of people maligning California, my State. Dissing Jerry Brown for endorsing Hillary, dissing Barbara Boxer, and now dissing California by suggesting that their elections are questionable. I suggest those that have been spewing this garbage have major critical thinking deficiencies

[Octafish]

133. Palast. Greg Palast. One of the best journalists around.

He reports the truth. Unlike a flack, he doesn't hold back.

http://www.gregpalast.com

[onenote]

135. California has probably the most transparent process around

The secretary of state's website contains an incredible amount of data, both regarding the current and ongoing vote process and historical data.

Anyone who opines about the California primary without first studying the information available on the state's website doesn't deserve to be heard on the matter since they are willfully keeping themselves ignorant.

[Octafish]

136. Willful ignorance has nothing to do with it. Palast doesn't lie.

He reported what he found.

The steal is baked into the way California handles No Party Preference –"NPP" voters –what we know as "independents."

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/#more-12053

While that doesn't go with the pre-established AP version of the story, it's what Palast reported and documented.

[beastie boy]

65. Nope.

Talking about hypotheticals and conspiracy theories while ignoring reality?

Not interested.

[lancer78]

66. No, because it is flame bait n/t

[Fresh_Start]

76. vote by mail still being counted

so far, Clinton's lead is still increasing.
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/status/

[The_Casual_Observer]

78. Another stupid post!

[Ned_Devine]

79. A post that says "Election fraud' gets hidden?

Holy shit

[MFM008]

82. I have never seen State calls reversed

except Florida in 2000.
We all know what was behind that one..............................

[ucrdem]

83. There wasn't any voter suppression.

ps. Holy shit big ass earthquake here . . .



but not the big one thankfully

[auntpurl]

84. Please don't break off into the sea!

At least not until the GE is over.

Just kidding! Don't break off into the sea at all! Hope you and yours are safe.

[ucrdem]

86. Still attached to mainland

for tonight at least! I hope!

[robbedvoter]

85. Besides, more states yet to vote!

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/740884042128592897

[grossproffit]

89. Caucus states to boot!

[SidDithers]

88. Bookmarking to keep kicked...nt

Sid

[Demsrule86]

90. HIllary Clinton's lead has increased

Bernie will not win California and sound petty to even bring it up. The truth is that even without California she won more pledged delegates...time to face reality. The Justice Gazette is a conspiracy site really and is now suing everyone . If Bernie aligns himself with these folks, he might as well resign his Senate seat for all the influence he will have.

[brooklynite]

96. Nate Silver: Not looking good for Sanders

Nate Silver ?@NateSilver538 6 hours ago
Not clear if this will shrink HRC margin. Out of 74K ballots counted since late Wed., it's Clinton 58%, Sanders 42%.

[djean111]

102. Oh, I fully expect that the "but to declare someone else the winner now will just upset things"

bullshit that got Bush elected will be hauled out of the sewer and hosed down.

Just like that asshole Brock is now considered a great guy - all depends on who benefits, for a lot of people.

[aikoaiko]

106. As a Bernie supporter, I'd rather let the validated votes do the talking.

I'm tired of the would have, could have, should have post-primary discussions.

[ButterflyBlood]

107. Sanders needs a margin of over 440k votes to pull ahead

That's not how many votes he needs, that's the MARGIN.

I voted for Sanders but give it up. It's over.

[randome]

109. Well, you and a few others, maybe. The rest of us are mocking the claim.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[pdsimdars]

117. I think they're slogging through it. Didn't someone file a lawsuit about it?

[MineralMan]

119. Ballots not counted on election day, including provisional and late-arriving

mail ballots almost always reflect the same percentages and margins as the rest of the ballots. In every election, there are ballots that are counted later. They almost never change the results significantly.

And so it will be in California.

[apnu]

124. What's to talk about? Sanders PD deficit requires him to net at least 80% of Cali's PDs to catch up.

Which even if he wins by 3-4 points, he won't take enough PDs to claim a majority of them and Hillary's position as the presumptive nominee hasn't changed.

[SidDithers]

134. Weekend kick...nt

Sid

[Hiraeth]

138. I am at a listening stage right now with a wait, watch and see attitude.

[DesertRat]

140. Sad

[Maven]

141. No, because it's bullshit. Next.

[Matt_R]

147. Sanders was ahead until AP called it the day before. n/t

[Adrahil]

152. Suuuuure he was.... Nt

[oberliner]

155. The win should be for Sanders?

Not even Greg Palast claims that.

[Florencenj2point0]

160. Hillary will get the win on most of those ballots

that is what happens in contested primaries. Google it!

[swhisper1]

161. we all know who won hearts and minds. Corruption isnt new

[SidDithers]

165. Kick...nt

Sid

[Lil Missy]

167. Sanders got trounced in California.