The scales have been lifted from my eyes.
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I had an online political discussion this morning with a friend, an intelligent and thoughtful woman with extensive firsthand knowledge about the workings of Washington. Not surprisingly, the discussion was about the two presumptive Presidential nominees. I lamented to her the following:
"This time around, I wish I was voting FOR someone rather than AGAINST Donald Trump."
I pondered this for most of the day, chewed on it like a hungry puppy with a Nylabone. Then, as if by divine grace, I had an epiphany. I knew what to do.
This fall, I am going to vote for Vice President.
I'm quite serious. It is very likely that neither of the presumptive nominees will still be President by 2020.
Hillary is already under investigation by the FBI about the private email server. These lads don't give out slaps on the wrist. There's also the possibility of an investigation of money-changing at the Clinton Foundation. Even if nothing comes of these investigations, it will divert a ginormous amount of her time and energy. In addition, she made an assload of money giving speeches to Goldman Sachs and other investment firms - who don't typically give out assloads of money without expecting a ROI - and has stubbornly refused to release the transcripts of these speeches, which has not played well with the Democratic branch of the Democratic Party. Plus, and maybe most importantly, House Republicans have ALREADY began drawing up articles of impeachment for Hillary, and they don't exactly dilly-dally. She will have an enormously difficult time getting through the term, and anyone who does not recognize this is either naive or willfully deceived.
Trump? Judas Priest on a popsicle stick, he's given us at least 20 good reasons to impeach his sorry ass already. And the pressure to impeach won't be coming just from the Dems -- there are plenty of Reeps who will be eager to see him go down as well. It's questionable whether his candidacy will survive the GOP convention. Plus he's under investigation too, about Trump University, and he hasn't exactly helped his cause by openly insulting federal judges. Plus he refuses to release his tax returns, and it's not hard to figure out why. And just as importantly, Trump may very well get overwhelmed and/or bored - and decide to bail. He has the attention span of a goldfish. Though it's dangerous to underestimate the carnival barker, the odds are good he also may not see 2020 in the White House.
So where does that leave us? Vice Presidential candidates. I'll lay you odds-on that Hillary's Veep will be in the Oval Office in 2020, 8 to 5 for Trump's Veep. The party who puts up the better Vice Presidential candidate will get my vote in November. And as a life long yellow dog Dem, it pains me to realize it may mean a vote for the dark side.
So there you have it. A simple, airtight, and elegant solution. I won't be voting AGAINST Trump - I'll be voting FOR the best Veep.
Feels good. I will sleep well tonight.
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Perhaps that's asking too much.
Your response, "Huh? Clarity in language is good," strongly suggests you didn't understand what mac56 was saying rather than that you disagreed.
Mac's response to you saying, "Keeping Trump out of the White House is the overriding point", was, "Don't worry he won't be there for long." It just seems a more logical answer from you would have been something along the lines of, "Any length of time is too long to have Trump as president!"
Just in terms of logical discussion, which seems to be frequently lacking here, that would have been more productive than saying the person wasn't clear.
But then, "Huh? Clarity in language is good," wasn't particularly clear in itself, so maybe I misinterpreted what you meant.
Seems to be a lot of that going around. Nothing personal, I just happened to be in a replying mood when I read and responded to your post.
I've just been lately really noticing that "discussions" on DU could really benefit from all of us trying to express ourselves more clearly and reading more carefully what others write. And that includes being willing to read a bit more than might be easy before jumping to TLDR.
Have a lovely weekend.
Yeah, right. That makes it abundantly clear that either party's presidential pick, if successful, won't last through 2020. 
Hah!
The veep sometimes does become the president. Or the acting president temporarily. And the veep pick does tell us a lot about a presidential candidate's judgement and confidence and ability to think about possible future scenarios. Remember Bush jr's pick? 
Or, for that matter, Bush sr's pick?
And, for that matter, even our candidates have made some less than stellar choices. Since Hillary apparently is going to win the nomination, I hope she will choose somebody strong enough and wise enough to handle the presidency if necessary.
Please 'splain.
Cher
are annoyed when you decide to vote FOR someone rather than AGAINST someone else.
time. I said you will be voting for Hillary IF YOU VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IN NOVEMBER. Does that help you to comprehend? Maybe you need glasses? 
I am sol.
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I don't understand why anyone would think this post is outlandish. As I read it, I said "this guy has a lot of common sense."
Who among us would debate that at some point, HRC's going to come up against the legal system? You would almost be crazy to think she wouldn't.
An old friend of mine, a legal aficionado, used to assuage my impatience by reminding me of what Euripedes said:
Mills of the Gods,
Grind exceedingly slow,
But grind exceedingly fine..
Remember this: as corrupt as our politicians may be, we have a system. That system has been in effect for hundreds of years. The people who run that system are not politicians, they are bureaucrats. The politicians will always seek to sway things their way, but the bureaucrats are not there for just four or eight years. They are there for a career lifetime, and it is their will that will grind exceedingly fine. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe years from now, but the truth about what HRC did will come out.
The poster goes straight to the point: neither one of these candidates, if they even make it through the primaries, is going to last. It is consummately logical to vote for the VP.
Cher
People make their decision based on many different criteria. This is mine and I'm sticking with it.
Maybe their campaign logos should read "NOT TRUMP" and "NOT HILLARY."
Don't like the thought that Trump could get the football ? Don't think about it ! Problem solved !
Have at it.
