about Elizabeth Warren-why would someone refuse to run for POTUS then agree to the VP position?

[azurnoir]

https://mobile.twitter.com/businessinsider/status/741103129345822720?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[PoliticAverse]

1. Perhaps she thought she would likely lose to Clinton if she ran against her. n/t

[Hortensis]

11. Likely she was less afraid of losing than

recognizing that the party already had a strong female candidate and didn't need another. She is committed to defeating the GOP's transfer of wealth and power to a ruling class and was already in excellent position for that in the Senate.

At base, though, maybe she also just didn't want it enough. VPs only go to work after the primary, skipping all the years of building and competing in the "invisible primary," plus the grueling last 2 years we pay attention to. Also, it's not the hair of VPs that inevitably goes white during a presidency, not of course that she'd be at all afraid of the work, quite the contrary.

Wonderful to see her say beautifully firmly and briefly on Rachel, "Yes, I do believe I'm ready to be Commander in Chief."

[JI7]

2. because there is no gaurantee they would win the nomination

and there is A LOT that goes into it and it's a very long process.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

10. It seems like only in the Republican Party does every person who ever thought of

themselves as presidential actually run. Not surprising, as Democrats generally think before they act far more so than the Rs.

[Sunlei]

29. Republicans want her Senate seat and they will get it, a republican Governor fills the vacancy.

That's why republicans are pushing the media 'stories'.

[karynnj]

34. Until someone wins the special election

If Warren is the candidate, they will know in November that she will resign her seat in mid January - likely the day before she is sworn in as VP.

In 2013, Kerry became SoS was confirmed on January 29th. The special election was won by Markey on June 25th. In 2013, the process could not really start until Kerry was confirmed - even though it was highly likely after he was officially named. Just as we hopefully would know that Warren was highly likely to be VP well before November.

Using the same time frame, the need for a special election starts in early November 2016 ... and following the same time line, could happen in April 2017. (So, the Republican appointed by Baker would be from around mid January to mid April - about three months! )

Note that when the legislature first changed the rules in 2004, they were intentionally allowing the seat to be empty for those three months had Kerry been elected. In 2009, when the gap would have longer, the Democrats in the MA legislature kept the special election, but allowed an interim appointment.

[Sunlei]

35. Kerry would make a good VP too. We Ds are fortunate we have many who would be great VPs.

[Lord Magus]

44. There's never a guarantee, but I expect Warren WOULD have won the nomination.

A large portion of Bernie's supporters came to him after the "Draft Warren" movement failed. It's very possible he would've just endorsed Warren had she chosen to run. And Warren was already a beloved figure in the Democratic Party rather than having to overcome very limited name recognition like Bernie, so unless she just ran an inexplicably bad campaign she would've probably won.

[tarheelsunc]

3. Maybe she respects Hillary Clinton? eom

[azurnoir]

4. If that is the case why'd she wait so long to endorse her, when so many Senators already had

Not saying she doesn't respect Clinton but why wait?

[joshcryer]

6. Why not?

No damage to her image if she waits and Sanders wins. She gets to keep her liberal bonifides either way.

[musicblind]

9. I do not personally know why she waited.

But I do know that the timing of her endorsement is genius.

[Sunlei]

27. Mrs. Warren, The President and all our top Ds said they would endorse when there was a clear winner.

many months ago. "Let the people primary vote first". Their 'timing' of personal endorsement was fair for both our top candidates.

[Adrahil]

17. Well, she's a Super-D, so maybe she didn't want to feed the Super-D speculation? NT

[Lord Magus]

45. For the same reason that Bernie remained neutral until a winner was decided in 08?

Lots of people don't endorse during the primary.

[joshcryer]

5. She didn't want to become a pariah running against the other woman.

As President she had a 50/50 chance. As VP she has a 100% chance.

[BainsBane]

7. Clinton has not made her VP choice

So Warren can hardly have accepted.

History is full of VPs who didn't run for president first.

[PoliticAverse]

8. The poster didn't say Warren had accepted. n/t

[Lord Magus]

46. Most of the time those aren't people who were begged to run for president & refused though. -nt-

[BlueStater]

12. Er, most vice presidential nominees are people who didn't run for president.

Ryan didn't run for president in 2012. Palin didn't run for president in 2008. Cheney and Lieberman didn't run for president in 2000. Kemp didn't run for president in 1996. Gore didn't run for president in 1992. Quayle and Bentsen didn't run for president in 1988. Ferraro didn't run for president in 1984. Mondale didn't run for president in 1976. And so on and so on.

[djean111]

13. Warren being VP would not get my vote.

But genius move by Hillary - scoop up votes she would not have gotten, and then the HUGE bonus of sidelining Warren to dinners and funerals, so Warren would stop pestering wall Street. A two-fer! The Third Way would be so very happy!

[randome]

15. You're so unhappy, aren't you?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/enough-just-pick-warren

Warren is off-the-cuff, free-wheeling and direct in all the ways Clinton is cautious and rehearsed. But it is a reinforcing rather than an invidious contrast and likely helps bring to the surface Hillary's progressive background that has been buried by decades at the pinnacle of Democratic party politics and years as the punching bag of the left of the party which feels excluded by the seemingly endless Clinton ascendency.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Demsrule86]

14. Aww...that kind or ruins BOB to throw the election to Trump ...doesnt it?

More time than not...the VP has not run for president.

[randome]

16. BOB-ing for tragedy.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[democrattotheend]

21. Huh?

Are you talking about sitting VP's at the end of the president's term, or losing VP candidates?

I think Warren would be a frontrunner for the nomination in four years if Hillary loses, whether or not she is on the ticket.

But I am not hoping Hillary loses...nothing is worth 4 years of Trump.

[Demsrule86]

26. There is resistance to Elizabeth

Why? Perfect set up for eight years...that being said if Hillary loses...honestly it does not matter who runs in four years. The damage will be so severe...If the GOP has the entire government and packs the courts for four years...stick a fork in this country, it is done for a generation. People always say this is the one of the most important election in my lifetime. Rarely, is it true, it was true in 08 and is certainly true in 16.

[SDJay]

36. Every Election

will be that way as long as one of the parties involved in it is insane and trying to ruin the country. 2020 will be extremely important as well.

I won't feel like our entire society isn't on the line until that POS party implodes and sprouts up with people who poop inside.

[azurnoir]

37. so 2 white women will be an adequate ticket?

I ask this because of all we've told about the Democratic Party being the party of PoC, once President Obama leaves office the entire first line leadership will be white, not a good optic all things considered

IMO Hillary needs to pick a PoC for her VP, gender doesn't doesn't matter

[Ash_F]

18. Because if she ran for prez, Clinton's people would have eaten her alive like they did Sanders

Sanders waited until the last second to see if she would run, before jumping in.

He has guts.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. Easy

While I do not much like our presumptive nominee, I was impressed by her energy, grit and determination to do so well, for so long, through such an exhausting campaign. Same goes for my preferred candidate, Bernie.

The idea of fund-raising, non-stop campaigning, for what seems like an eternity is a daunting prospect. Very few people have the hunger to do it, and even fewer have the stamina.

How can anyone criticize a person for looking in the mirror, seeing close up what a national campaign entails, and saying, "sorry, Charlie. Look elsewhere."

For myself, I honestly believe that someone seeking the presidency has to be more than a little nuts, given the pressures and stresses in the campaign alone

[Orsino]

20. Almost no one dared run against the inevitable. n/t

[Sunlei]

24. didn't Mrs. Warren sign the original letter supporting Mrs. Clinton's run for president?

several years ago.

[Orsino]

32. Yep. Before Warren was getting any buzz about a presidential run.

I think she'd make a fine candidate, perhaps better than anyone we've got.

[Sunlei]

22. Republican gov. will replace her senate position if she steps down. Will undo everything shes done

[Demsrule86]

28. Nope

There is a loophole which would minimize any damage...and it is Mass...we will re-elect a Dem. More important at this point to beat Trump.

[Sunlei]

31. She barely won her senate seat. As she has shown, she can 'fight trump' from the Senate.

[Demsrule86]

33. 54% to 46% is not close

We need to defeat Trump...there is no fighting Trump if he wins...the GOP would have all branches of government...get with the program...we will lose for a generation if he gets in ...it won't matter who runs or who wins.

[JenniferJuniper]

58. Only briefly...

The Boston Globe addressed it here...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/06/03/harry-reid-studies-legal-scenarios-for-filling-senate-seat-elizabeth-warren-gets-vice-presidential-nod/3FSrNJlAhqRoiWt6iQMK7J/story.html

[oberliner]

23. Who do you think Hillary should pick?

What would be your ideal choice?

[Sunlei]

25. Senator Sanders.

[apnu]

30. Because the Senate, that's why.

Warren and the Democrats don't want to give up a seat and they can't afford to give up a seat. Mass. has a Republican governor right now and he'll appoint a Republican to fill Warren's hard-won seat.

Warren wants it, we want it, hell everybody who isn't 1% or a 1% jock sniffer wants Warren in a larger role. But we need her in the Senate right now. If the Dems can find some path to keeping Gov. Charlie Baker from appointing a republican, then we'll probably see Warren as a VP pick.

[pnwmom]

38. They are two different jobs. And she had already signed a letter urging Hilary to run. n/t

[azurnoir]

41. well that's nice but I'll ask you is at this juncture in your opinion

a ticket consisting of 2 white women viable for the Democratic party? One of the central themes of the Clinton campaign was the overwhelming support of PoC and how the Democratic Party was the party of PoC, moreover when President Obama leaves office the entire first line of Democratic leaders would be white, IMO Clinton needs to choose a PoC for VP, and it would be helpful if was a younger PoC too

[pnwmom]

42. I don't think Hillary's support from people of color would be greatly impacted

by her choice of a VP, as long as the candidate is strong.

I used to think it would be better to have more "balance" but I'm not so sure now. I remember when people thought Bill and Al weren't balanced enough, but they did pretty well.

And I can imagine Trump going even more nuts facing two women. . . which wouldn't endear him to many.

[MyNameGoesHere]

39. Maybe she didn't feel entitled and didn't know

how to stomp her feet and say how unfair everything is?

[azurnoir]

40. who felt entitled again?

[MyNameGoesHere]

43. Sanders seem to think he is owed the nomination

For coming in second. White male privilege or something else not quite right, I am not sure.

[azurnoir]

48. so Sanders felt he was owed the nomination because he's a white male? or something else

not quite right?-come on speak up about that something else don't be shy now

MyNameGoesHere
43. Sanders seem to think he is owed the nomination
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For coming in second. White male privilege or something else not quite right, I am not sure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2172278

[Tarc]

47. My take: back at the beginning, Trump was still just a ridiculous carnival barker

Now that he has incited a full-blown brownshirt mob, Warren sees some shit that needs doing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I like your take as well as the cut of your jib.

[Romulox]

49. Is it at all possible that she is "evolving" back to her 47 y.o. Republican former self? nt

[azurnoir]

51. NO just NO

[Romulox]

53. Her full-throated endorsement of Wall Street's candidate would suggest otherwise...

[MFM008]

54. maybe your wrong

and Warren is willing to give her a chance and try to influence HRC rather than stand on the sidelines and throw tomatoes.

[Romulox]

55. Yes, I'm sure that's it, and Warren is simply willing to give oligarchy another chance.

Brilliant post!

[Smarmie Doofus]

50. That's EZ. Doesn't want the same degree of personal scrutiny.

Which is not to say Warren can't stand-up to it; but most normal people don't want their families and personal friends dragged thru the mud.

Clinton doesn't care.... which is yet ANOTHER reason ( Jeeeezuz; we don't have enough already?) to wonder about her.

[jamese777]

56. Bernie ran too...

so by your logic, he doesn't care about his family being dragged through the mud either, like the attacks on Jane Sanders that she bankrupted Burlington College with mis-management.
For Hillary, her family has already been dragged through the mud for a quarter century: "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

[seabeyond]

57. Maybe she felt Clinton was a better candidate.

[Lil Missy]

59. When did she agree to the VP position?

[PoliticAverse]

62. The poster used the word "would" not "did". n/t

[Lil Missy]

64. OK. Got it now. n/t

[udbcrzy2]

60. She agreed to Rachael that she was ready to be commander in chief not vp

I didn't hear her say that she was ready to be vp though

[Peachhead22]

61. three reason off the top of my head

1) Running for Prez is hard. The hours, the amount of time soliciting for contributions, the scrutiny, the travel and time away from family, the time away from your "day job" and I'm sure many other hardships and it's all for 1.5 years plus. But being named to as running mate, the running part of it is about 4 or 5 months.

2) With the way the establishment tipped the scales I mean, greased the wheels for Hillary; I'm sure Warren didn't relish trying to stop that train.

3) Or maybe EW was also of the mind that it was Hillary's turn or that Hillary was legitimately the best person for the job, and didn't want to get in the her way.

[Ferd Berfel]

63. Good Point

In addition - unless CLinton gets impeached and removed quickly - Warren will have much more influence as Senator then buried under Clinton's thumb as VP.