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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:01 AM Jun 2016

ONE-THIRD of California primary ballots still not counted-- mostly young Dems, Latinos

WHAT'S TRUE: On 8 June 2016, counties in California published updates about outstanding ballots versus counted ballots, and a significant portion remained yet-to-be tallied.

WHAT'S FALSE: The announcements were public and lagging results didn't constitute a coverup; most of the delay involved rounding up and certifying mail-in and provisional ballots.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: Whether the final tally would deviate significantly from the initial totals used to "call" the state on 7 June 2016.
http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

The independent Target Book, a publication that handicaps congressional and legislative races, called it "probable" that as many as 3 million ballots could remain uncounted by time Tuesday night ended. And traditionally, said the analysts, those ballots tend to have come from Democrats, young and Latino voters.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html

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ONE-THIRD of California primary ballots still not counted-- mostly young Dems, Latinos (Original Post) uhnope Jun 2016 OP
All ballots, including provisional ballots will be counted. There is no coverup still_one Jun 2016 #1
the OP clearly says there is no coverup uhnope Jun 2016 #2
Yes it is. Rather than redundant, I was thinking of it as re-enforcing your point still_one Jun 2016 #5
thank you uhnope Jun 2016 #7
So sorry catnhatnh Jun 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author uhnope Jun 2016 #9
It's no different than last time around. grossproffit Jun 2016 #3
Exactly. Huge population, long process. Hortensis Jun 2016 #4
This primary had a record number of mail in votes, and the polls indicate that those still_one Jun 2016 #6

still_one

(92,116 posts)
1. All ballots, including provisional ballots will be counted. There is no coverup
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:18 AM
Jun 2016

Q: Are vote-by-mail and provisional ballots always counted – even in "landslide" elections?
A: Yes, every valid ballot returned to county elections officials by 8:00 p.m. on election day is counted in every election, regardless of the ballot type or the margin in any particular contest.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2014-news-releases-and-advisories/db14-090/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-status/

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
2. the OP clearly says there is no coverup
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:21 AM
Jun 2016

so your post is redundant.

What is true, though, is that one-third of the votes is a huge percentage that could change the outcome, and it's a crime against democracy & journalism for a winner to have been declared by the major media outlets

still_one

(92,116 posts)
5. Yes it is. Rather than redundant, I was thinking of it as re-enforcing your point
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jun 2016

by links to the California Secretary of States Office

As to your second point, it isn't a crime against democracy. The votes are being counted, and will be certified, and if Sanders is the winner, it will be recorded as such.

You can argue the point that it is shoddy journalism, but they are projecting the winner. They have been doing that all through the primary based on various data points. Whenever the media initially reports the result of an election, it is based on a projection model before all the votes have been counted.

The media is doing the same thing here, based on the votes counted, plus the votes that remain, they have projected a winner.

In fact that is the same thing Target Book does. It is a for profit company that handicaps races, and calculates probabilities.

Words such as "probable", and "could remain", means they don't know. In addition, assuming that ballots have tended to come in a certain way in the past, predicts what it will be this time, also means they don't know.

The nonpartisan Field Poll estimated that 5 million Californians would vote by mail in this statewide primary. That includes a parties. Those vote by mail that requested a Democratic ballot, the Field Poll indicated they favored Hillary.

The media made a projection based on the votes that have been counted, and utilized models on the remaining votes that will be counted. Could they be wrong that the projected winner would change, yes, but they believe it won't change the final result significantly.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
8. So sorry
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

But if multiple sources declare Clinton the winner without mentioning almost 1/2 the ballots have not been counted, then YES-there was a cover-up...

Response to catnhatnh (Reply #8)

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
3. It's no different than last time around.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:29 AM
Jun 2016

Mail in's have until today to arrive. Votes have to be verified; signature, registration status and confirmation that they didn't vote elsewhere. It's a long process.

still_one

(92,116 posts)
6. This primary had a record number of mail in votes, and the polls indicate that those
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:20 AM
Jun 2016

mail in votes that requested a Democratic ballot, favored Hillary

Hillary was projected the winner based on the total votes counted, and that the votes that haven't been counted, will not change the result

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