2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumONE-THIRD of California primary ballots still not counted-- mostly young Dems, Latinos
WHAT'S FALSE: The announcements were public and lagging results didn't constitute a coverup; most of the delay involved rounding up and certifying mail-in and provisional ballots.
WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: Whether the final tally would deviate significantly from the initial totals used to "call" the state on 7 June 2016.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html
still_one
(92,116 posts)Q: Are vote-by-mail and provisional ballots always counted even in "landslide" elections?
A: Yes, every valid ballot returned to county elections officials by 8:00 p.m. on election day is counted in every election, regardless of the ballot type or the margin in any particular contest.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2014-news-releases-and-advisories/db14-090/
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/provisional-voting/
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-status/
uhnope
(6,419 posts)so your post is redundant.
What is true, though, is that one-third of the votes is a huge percentage that could change the outcome, and it's a crime against democracy & journalism for a winner to have been declared by the major media outlets
still_one
(92,116 posts)by links to the California Secretary of States Office
As to your second point, it isn't a crime against democracy. The votes are being counted, and will be certified, and if Sanders is the winner, it will be recorded as such.
You can argue the point that it is shoddy journalism, but they are projecting the winner. They have been doing that all through the primary based on various data points. Whenever the media initially reports the result of an election, it is based on a projection model before all the votes have been counted.
The media is doing the same thing here, based on the votes counted, plus the votes that remain, they have projected a winner.
In fact that is the same thing Target Book does. It is a for profit company that handicaps races, and calculates probabilities.
Words such as "probable", and "could remain", means they don't know. In addition, assuming that ballots have tended to come in a certain way in the past, predicts what it will be this time, also means they don't know.
The nonpartisan Field Poll estimated that 5 million Californians would vote by mail in this statewide primary. That includes a parties. Those vote by mail that requested a Democratic ballot, the Field Poll indicated they favored Hillary.
The media made a projection based on the votes that have been counted, and utilized models on the remaining votes that will be counted. Could they be wrong that the projected winner would change, yes, but they believe it won't change the final result significantly.
But if multiple sources declare Clinton the winner without mentioning almost 1/2 the ballots have not been counted, then YES-there was a cover-up...
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Mail in's have until today to arrive. Votes have to be verified; signature, registration status and confirmation that they didn't vote elsewhere. It's a long process.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)still_one
(92,116 posts)mail in votes that requested a Democratic ballot, favored Hillary
Hillary was projected the winner based on the total votes counted, and that the votes that haven't been counted, will not change the result