Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:30 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

Next week, Bernie will drop out and strongly endorse HRC. There is nothing hypocritical

about his doing so.

He's said all along that she's infinitely preferable to Trump. He believes that wholeheartedly. He'll campaign with her and go where he's asked to go to campaign for her.

And no, his revolution is not over. I prefer to call it a movement. Before his candidacy it was inchoate. He coalesced and harnessed it; giving it direction and goals. Where will it go? Will Bernie continue to be seen as its leader? I don't know the answer to those questions, but this is a movement that is not going away when Bernie drops out and endorses Hillary.

I know Bernie. He's represented me for over 25 years. I've met with him privately in DC while lobbying for the PAIMI program which provides support for the disabled. I've gone to potluck town meetings where he's present. The palaver that some Bernie haters spew about how he might run as an independent is simply people talking out of their asses. And those Bernie supporters who think he'd be hypocritical to endorse and campaign for Hillary, don't seem to have much of a clue as to who he is.

Bernie may be stubborn, but he's not petty and he recognizes the dangers that Trump poses.

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Next week, Bernie will drop out and strongly endorse HRC. There is nothing hypocritical (Original post)	cali	Jun 2016	OP
glad to hear it	Florencenj2point0	Jun 2016	#1
Totally agree.	Mass	Jun 2016	#2
It's called smart people having a tin ear	Armstead	Jun 2016	#47
Really. What on earth do/did they (some) think it accomplished?	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#134
A small handful of liberals, almost entirely located	Hortensis	Jun 2016	#165
Makes sense. Emotions overruling utility. nt	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#167
Sanders can endorse whomever he likes.	HooptieWagon	Jun 2016	#3
This is the arrogant reponse that will help Trump in November	Chasstev365	Jun 2016	#36
Your response here is why your camp doesn't get it	pinebox	Jun 2016	#40
"This is about "US", not a specific person"	atomingai	Jun 2016	#103
...!100++++	840high	Jun 2016	#104
These people don't ever get it. But they love being bossy	Ned_Devine	Jun 2016	#127
yes the revolution lives on	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2016	#157
Chasstev, you've put me in the unusual position	Hortensis	Jun 2016	#171
Shouting GROW UP! at someone is unnecessarily rude and uncivil.	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#86
You're Right!	Chasstev365	Jun 2016	#87
I know you are but what am I?	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#90
Ha! That's the best you got? LAME!	Chasstev365	Jun 2016	#92
It takes some brass to burn the bridge	mac56	Jun 2016	#106
It's up to Hillary and only	840high	Jun 2016	#102
DNClinton burned the bridge.	HooptieWagon	Jun 2016	#113
If she is the nominee, Trump will win. That is the fault of people who voted for her. If you	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#139
Trump has no chance. Even his party is trying to get rid of him.	brush	Jun 2016	#176
Bernie has tried to tell them he can't just tell his supporters what to do. Boy are they going to	Skwmom	Jun 2016	#112
Also, I don't care who he votes for. His one vote isn't going to make a big difference.	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#133
I don't think he should endorse anyone.	Skink	Jun 2016	#4
Why?	cali	Jun 2016	#5
He doesn't owe anybody a thing	Skink	Jun 2016	#6
he gave his word. So yeah, he owes it.	cali	Jun 2016	#7
If HRC can't beat Trump on her own she is pretty weak.	Skink	Jun 2016	#60
No one is on his/her own in this. It's a team effort.	randome	Jun 2016	#65
like the dnc " team effort" to beat Bernie?	wendylaroux	Jun 2016	#70
^^^This ^^^	Silver_Witch	Jun 2016	#125
Except a lot of us have been	Bettie	Jun 2016	#124
That's my current position as well. nt	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#138
He owes the party unity to beat the Gop	Logical	Jun 2016	#24
He owes it to do his best, and I'm sure he will.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#142
He thinks Hillary is infinitely preferable to Trump. That's the reason to endorse her. n/t	pnwmom	Jun 2016	#121
I agree 100%.	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#130
Yes, he will.	MineralMan	Jun 2016	#8
Welcome prediction. Hope it works out this way. Thanks.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#9
It will. His comments yesterday made that clear.	cali	Jun 2016	#11
His "when I'm President" affirmation during yesterday's rally was confusing.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#21
He's being pulled in 20 directions, and he is trying to honor his committment	Armstead	Jun 2016	#48
Where did I insult anyone? I was asking Cali a valid question in response to her OP.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#53
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#71
Suit yourself.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#72
your trying to get people against hc,very obvious.	wendylaroux	Jun 2016	#74
I have an inkling that, no matter what anybody might say or do, your mind is made up.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#75
hellooooooo??anyone seeing this troll like behavior?????	wendylaroux	Jun 2016	#76
What? Nobody paying any attention...try again.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#80
Wow. Why this unwarranted personal attack?	yardwork	Jun 2016	#84
Your post is over the top name-calling, inappropriate and rude	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#88
It's sad to me that not a single DU Bernie supporter speaks out against this.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#89
If more people alert on it, they won't have to	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#91
It's not so much about the alerts as the silence, to me.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#93
Well, I just got here, but I'll chime in.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#141
Huh? No it doesn't. nt	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#140
he is still running. He also spoke about working with Clinton.	Mass	Jun 2016	#49
Glad to hear you confirm one of my hypotheses.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#58
Maybe he knows more about the lawsuit than he lets on.	floriduck	Jun 2016	#54
Hard to say, but I suspect he is NOT privy to any more insider info. than the POTUS and VPOTUS.	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#61
I remember in 2008	TSIAS	Jun 2016	#155
Thanks for your post	jzodda	Jun 2016	#10
Agree with every word you wrote.	NCTraveler	Jun 2016	#12
thanks.	cali	Jun 2016	#41
Hillary doesn't deserve his endorsement, but he will give it for the good of the country.	Vattel	Jun 2016	#13
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2016	#14
oh ffs. Why I'm even bothering to respond to such hateful crap...	cali	Jun 2016	#16
Perhaps we should coin a new word, here.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2016	#146
Seriously, I want to vote for Hillary	TSIAS	Jun 2016	#153
Camp Weathervane 'class' on display.	Lizzie Poppet	Jun 2016	#20
That person only speaks for him or herself. Doesn't speak for me, or others	still_one	Jun 2016	#56
agreed. He's pretty unique here. Fortunately.	cali	Jun 2016	#68
Another fucking classy post from you! Nt	Logical	Jun 2016	#22
Just one question. Are you on the Donald's payroll?	bklyncowgirl	Jun 2016	#32
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++	still_one	Jun 2016	#57
The Donald isn't organized enough for a an Epresence payroll but I think some Freepers&co	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#95
#FeelTheUnity.	VulgarPoet	Jun 2016	#35
lol	Jennylynn	Jun 2016	#131
K & R!	apnu	Jun 2016	#15
thank you.	cali	Jun 2016	#17
Agreed. I have no big problem with Bernie doing so.	Lizzie Poppet	Jun 2016	#18
IOW, I met him once so I know him better than anyone.	Dawgs	Jun 2016	#19
I've met him about a dozen times. He's represented me for decades	cali	Jun 2016	#25
Of course he will. He said he would. That means he will.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#23
Me too. I had no idea that he'd do so well or change	cali	Jun 2016	#28
It's a fantastic outcome by any measure, the very fact that there are people rightfully disppointed	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#46
I agree.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#29
That pleases me to hear you say this yardwork.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#52
Agreed.	emulatorloo	Jun 2016	#44
But some of his supporters will throw him under the bus.	randome	Jun 2016	#26
No offense but 'some of' any candidates supporters are buffoons, criminals, jerks, you name it.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2016	#51
True. We should all keep that in mind.	randome	Jun 2016	#62
Terrific post! Same for the OP!	calimary	Jun 2016	#79
thank you very much.	cali	Jun 2016	#117
I don't visualize any Bernie Supporter throwing him under any bus for any reason	Jennylynn	Jun 2016	#135
Yes. nt	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#143
I hope that the millions of people excited about his candidacy will stay with the process.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#27
he proved that you can raise huge amounts of money from small donors	cali	Jun 2016	#31
Yes, very good point.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#34
No incentive for the party to change if he does that.	Smarmie Doofus	Jun 2016	#30
He gave his word. And much as I want the democratic party to change	cali	Jun 2016	#33
Sanders has postioned himself to become one of the most powerful members of the Senate	corkhead	Jun 2016	#38
Yes, if he helps turn the Senate blue and get Hillary elected, he will be rewarded.	yardwork	Jun 2016	#85
He could do it post-convention.	Smarmie Doofus	Jun 2016	#39
He'll get a YUGE speech at the convention, prime time and lots of input	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#96
He gave his word to be a Democrat now and forever.	apnu	Jun 2016	#43
Yep. It would violate the most basic principles of his campaign to reward the establishment for	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#129
His endorsement or not is not going to change a thing about what they do or don't do.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#144
I'm not Hillary's biggest fan but the alternative is unthinkable. Seems Bernie feels the same way	corkhead	Jun 2016	#37
Kick and rec	emulatorloo	Jun 2016	#42
Bernie's rally speech in Oakland consisted of a lot of Trump bashing	Prism	Jun 2016	#45
It will seriously damage the revolution. You can't embrace what you say you are fighting against.	Skwmom	Jun 2016	#50
He gave his word. He's consistently said she's far preferable to Trump, who	cali	Jun 2016	#59
Your wise and insightful contributions all through this thread	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#160
He may have given his word	shanti	Jun 2016	#177
I think you are right.	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#55
,"policy proposals were unrealistic" not in other countrys ,	wendylaroux	Jun 2016	#73
You misunderstand.	Adrahil	Jun 2016	#78
What did you specifically disagree with?	Fantastic Anarchist	Jun 2016	#120
Whatever it takes to politically defeat Trump, I'm with. n/t	RKP5637	Jun 2016	#63
Mostly agreed. I'm a bit more sanguine re the movement/revolution	whatthehey	Jun 2016	#64
I believe you are correct	mcar	Jun 2016	#66
Lovely post. I like how much you like him, as your Senator.	auntpurl	Jun 2016	#67
thank you. Overwhelmingly, Vermonters like and respect Bernie	cali	Jun 2016	#69
This election isn't about beating Trump, it is about keeping what is left of our democracy.	tonyt53	Jun 2016	#77
Yes! We have to start with what we have, hold onto it, and build from there	yardwork	Jun 2016	#81
Good.	ismnotwasm	Jun 2016	#82
Thank You A THOUSAND TIMES Cali for this post.	Maru Kitteh	Jun 2016	#83
thank you for your kind words	cali	Jun 2016	#107
Wholeheartedly agree. Ditto to the complete text, but especially this:	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#161
I'll believe it when I see it	workinclasszero	Jun 2016	#94
why the fuck should he have dropped out "long ago", zero?	cali	Jun 2016	#108
Bernie is a great guy and will do what is needed to fight the good fight	andym	Jun 2016	#97
My expectation too.	pat_k	Jun 2016	#98
Well, cali, if he does endorse her, there	sadoldgirl	Jun 2016	#99
codswallop. As speculation goes, yours is particularly lacking in any evidence	cali	Jun 2016	#109
Please don't drop!!	anotherproletariat	Jun 2016	#100
I hope you're right	pandr32	Jun 2016	#101
That would be immensely disappointing	Helga Scow Stern	Jun 2016	#105
it would immensly disappoint Vermonters if he didn't hold true to his word	cali	Jun 2016	#110
I'm not quite sure Bernie 'promised' to endorse Clinton	Jennylynn	Jun 2016	#166
If he falls in line and behaves like other politicians then the momentum is dead.	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#132
I don't think he's capable of "behaving like other politicians,"	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#149
Couldn't agree more. I've always thought that the Founding Fathers missed the mark	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#162
Yep.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#168
"What The Founding Fathers Thought About Corporations"	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#169
Can't say it too often!	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#170
I think the movement will soon realize there is no fixing the Democratic Party. It's only the votes	Skwmom	Jun 2016	#111
I guess that means his campaign was a lie, if he can endorse everything he railed against...	Romulox	Jun 2016	#114
I guess reductive thinking is your thing.	cali	Jun 2016	#115
Oh, to be as "nuanced" as you, cali...	Romulox	Jun 2016	#116
.../...	Surya Gayatri	Jun 2016	#163
I agree. I don't think it will come to that. But if it does, then you would be correct.	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#136
If everyone in the party agreed on everything, you wouldn't have primaries	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2016	#147
^THIS^	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#150
Cali this is for you	Peacetrain	Jun 2016	#118
I support Bernie. I care what he thinks and endorses. No bus with Bernie's name on it	pampango	Jun 2016	#119
Perhaps.	Cary	Jun 2016	#122
Wow. Great post	XRubicon	Jun 2016	#123
Great post	bravenak	Jun 2016	#126
Nonsense. He said he is going to the convention, and it will be a contested convention. And by all	GoneFishin	Jun 2016	#128
I agree	Samantha	Jun 2016	#148
This message was self-deleted by its author	rjsquirrel	Jun 2016	#152
I disagree with your prediction and hope that he does not drop out.	SamKnause	Jun 2016	#137
I think so, too.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2016	#145
Thank you.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#151
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2016	#154
More likely he will stay in through the convention. There is more to be decided at the convention	Vote2016	Jun 2016	#156
Probably so, but same general idea, I think.	SusanCalvin	Jun 2016	#158
ACA	enid602	Jun 2016	#159
I take the Senator at his word	MFM008	Jun 2016	#164
I have stoppesd posting till the 16th of this month	William769	Jun 2016	#172
you're welcome, William	cali	Jun 2016	#173
K&R	Andy823	Jun 2016	#174
You can throw this thread in the bin.	coyote	Jun 2016	#175

Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:33 AM

Next week, Bernie will drop out and strongly endorse HRC. There is nothing hypocritical

1. glad to hear it

2. Totally agree.

47. It's called smart people having a tin ear

134. Really. What on earth do/did they (some) think it accomplished?

165. A small handful of liberals, almost entirely located

167. Makes sense. Emotions overruling utility. nt

3. Sanders can endorse whomever he likes.

36. This is the arrogant reponse that will help Trump in November

40. Your response here is why your camp doesn't get it

103. "This is about "US", not a specific person"

104. ...!100++++

127. These people don't ever get it. But they love being bossy

157. yes the revolution lives on

171. Chasstev, you've put me in the unusual position

86. Shouting GROW UP! at someone is unnecessarily rude and uncivil.

87. You're Right!

90. I know you are but what am I?

92. Ha! That's the best you got? LAME!

106. It takes some brass to burn the bridge

102. It's up to Hillary and only

113. DNClinton burned the bridge.

139. If she is the nominee, Trump will win. That is the fault of people who voted for her. If you

176. Trump has no chance. Even his party is trying to get rid of him.

112. Bernie has tried to tell them he can't just tell his supporters what to do. Boy are they going to

133. Also, I don't care who he votes for. His one vote isn't going to make a big difference.

4. I don't think he should endorse anyone.

5. Why?

6. He doesn't owe anybody a thing

7. he gave his word. So yeah, he owes it.

60. If HRC can't beat Trump on her own she is pretty weak.

65. No one is on his/her own in this. It's a team effort.

70. like the dnc " team effort" to beat Bernie?

125. ^^^This ^^^

124. Except a lot of us have been

138. That's my current position as well. nt

24. He owes the party unity to beat the Gop

142. He owes it to do his best, and I'm sure he will.

121. He thinks Hillary is infinitely preferable to Trump. That's the reason to endorse her. n/t

130. I agree 100%.

8. Yes, he will.

9. Welcome prediction. Hope it works out this way. Thanks.

11. It will. His comments yesterday made that clear.

21. His "when I'm President" affirmation during yesterday's rally was confusing.

48. He's being pulled in 20 directions, and he is trying to honor his committment

53. Where did I insult anyone? I was asking Cali a valid question in response to her OP.

72. Suit yourself.

74. your trying to get people against hc,very obvious.

75. I have an inkling that, no matter what anybody might say or do, your mind is made up.

76. hellooooooo??anyone seeing this troll like behavior?????

80. What? Nobody paying any attention...try again.

84. Wow. Why this unwarranted personal attack?

88. Your post is over the top name-calling, inappropriate and rude

89. It's sad to me that not a single DU Bernie supporter speaks out against this.

91. If more people alert on it, they won't have to

93. It's not so much about the alerts as the silence, to me.

141. Well, I just got here, but I'll chime in.

140. Huh? No it doesn't. nt

49. he is still running. He also spoke about working with Clinton.

58. Glad to hear you confirm one of my hypotheses.

54. Maybe he knows more about the lawsuit than he lets on.

61. Hard to say, but I suspect he is NOT privy to any more insider info. than the POTUS and VPOTUS.

155. I remember in 2008

10. Thanks for your post

12. Agree with every word you wrote.

41. thanks.

13. Hillary doesn't deserve his endorsement, but he will give it for the good of the country.

16. oh ffs. Why I'm even bothering to respond to such hateful crap...

146. Perhaps we should coin a new word, here.

153. Seriously, I want to vote for Hillary

20. Camp Weathervane 'class' on display.

56. That person only speaks for him or herself. Doesn't speak for me, or others

68. agreed. He's pretty unique here. Fortunately.

22. Another fucking classy post from you! Nt

32. Just one question. Are you on the Donald's payroll?

57. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

95. The Donald isn't organized enough for a an Epresence payroll but I think some Freepers&co

35. #FeelTheUnity.

131. lol

15. K & R!

96. He'll get a YUGE speech at the convention, prime time and lots of input