I get it now they let Bernie run on thier ticket and now they want payback

[Skink]

[HooptieWagon]

1. And Bernie will most likely endorse her.

However, though he earned our votes, he doesn't own them; and he's not authorized to transfer them.

[djean111]

2. Yes. Exactly right.

Should be interesting.

[yardwork]

14. Transfer what votes?

What do you mean?

You are aware that your vote in a primary doesn't count toward the GE, right? You have to vote again.

[HooptieWagon]

18. Apparently everyone understood except you.

[pangaia]

26. LOL...OLOL...OL

[Ferd Berfel]

51. At this Point he is rather obligated to

But I"m not.

[CrowCityDem]

3. "They" have moved on without Bernie. He's irrelevant right now.

[kadaholo]

5. "Irrelevant"

No voter and no candidate should ever be "irrelevant." Just saying'

[rock]

9. Voters can avoid becoming irrelevant

I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone how.

[CrowCityDem]

11. I'm saying that with Obama/Biden/Warren, Bernie isn't needed to make the case.

[grossproffit]

4. Hillary would have both endorsed and campaigned for BS.

[Matt_in_STL]

10. She would have endorsed someone she claimed wasn't a Democrat

That's grounds for getting banned.

[highprincipleswork]

6. The amount of support for Bernie points to a stronger Democratic Party that could be. That is,

unless the rest of you all are really so conservative that you don't like what Bernie is saying.

In which case, it definitely is war for the soul of the once Democratic Party, from now till forever.

It should be so easy to make room for Bernistas in the Democratic Party, if it really is anything like it says it is - party of the People.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027895832

This link is what I'm talking about. This is pretty much all of what Bernie has been talking about. I mean, do we have to sacrifice jobs and income and financial security in order to elect a woman President, in order to fight for racial justice? I don't think so.

[CrowCityDem]

12. We did make room. But since there are the minority, they didn't win.

[highprincipleswork]

16. You made no room. She's making no room. Just a smug attitude. You'll know you made room when

they join. Apparently you don't really want that.

[CrowCityDem]

19. 'Making room' isn't the same as giving people whatever they want.

The party let Bernie join to run, and let them run the campaign they wanted. They made plenty of room. It's not their fault the voters sided with Hillary.

[highprincipleswork]

29. Not interested in being a part of your party. Thanks for making one more person feel unwelcome.

[CrowCityDem]

30. That's democracy. You get to make your case, and the majority gets to decide. What's not to like?

[highprincipleswork]

32. Awful lot to not like about today's Democratic Party.

[Juicy_Bellows]

35. Too much truth there.

They seem to want to weed out anyone that isn't lockstep behind the candidate - more RNC-like everyday.

[CrowCityDem]

38. Sorry, which group is bashing Sen. Warren today for the sin of endorsing AFTER the election?

She acted the way Bernie says a superdelegate should, and she still gets blasted for it. If anyone is stifling dissent, it's the Bernie crowd.

[Juicy_Bellows]

40. Her endorsement is hers alone.

However, waiting until after Obama endorses is a safe bet. I think HRC and Sanders would have enjoyed an earlier endorsement from her, sitting on her hands until it was safe means little.

[highprincipleswork]

43. my suggestion would be to grow up and get inclusive and get with the program

[CrowCityDem]

46. Funny, that was going to be my advice to you.

[highprincipleswork]

48. If you want me to go Conservadem, fat chance.

[CrowCityDem]

37. We let Bernie's people in, and gave them a voice. We chose Hillary. Can you not accept reality?

[highprincipleswork]

44. never accepting your hateful reality

[CrowCityDem]

45. Hateful? The only thing I've said about Bernie in this thread is that he didn't win.

[highprincipleswork]

47. and he and his supporters can go suck eggs.

[CrowCityDem]

49. Now you're making sh*t up.

[highprincipleswork]

50. Lord help us from the Hillary people that THINK, and I mean only think, they are

the most rational people in the world!!!!

[LoverOfLiberty]

7. Who is "they" you speak of?

could it be Democrats? Because you seem to be having a hard time identifying with who you call "they".

[Skink]

8. You know them.

[NurseJackie]

22. Good catch!

[JoePhilly]

42. +1

[Cosmocat]

13. Bernie chose to run as a democrat

to try to take advantage of the party structure to win the nomination.

He could have run as an independent, or as a socialist or whatever.

[Blanks]

15. Some people are programmed only to take. eom

[840high]

17. Do you mean Hillary?

[Skink]

20. You mean the massive outpouring of support from the DNC

It was breathtaking.

[Cosmocat]

33. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of elections and parties

if you managed to go backwards from point a to z like that.

The point of Bernie choosing to run as a democrat instead of as an independent or socialist or whatever other party was that he wanted the full democratic network at his disposal if he became the actual nominee.

In the primary, yes, the party mainly chose to back the candidate who had been active member of the party for three decades.

I

[Skink]

34. You mean like Bernie?

Caucusing with the Dems all the time the nerve of that guy.

[DLCWIdem]

56. Bernie received as much as he gave when he caucused with dems

Bernie received support from the dem party throughout his career. He even received Hillary pac money in 2006 for a very contentious campaign he was having with his repug opponent. Make no doubt about it, Caucusing with the dems benefited Bernie, as well.

[Cosmocat]

57. Again, a fundamental lack of understanding of party politics

As did Hillary when she was a senator.

Meanwhile, for 30+ years, while Bernie was an independent, Hillary was a democrat and actively participated in democratic party functions and activities.

I know you will have a hard time believing this, but you don't have to be a virulent acolyte to have voted Bernie. I did, and knew I would from pretty much the point he announced a year ago. I voted for him because 1) He was most right on the issues 2) He is one of VERY few who speak, unabashadly and directly championing progressive policies (he has balls).

At same time, I knew Hillary was going to win the nomination, and this particular discussion was one of the reasons.

I respect, and in fact am a LOT like Bernie, my own man, and it made it hard for me when I did my foray into politics, and I suffered from a lack of party support like he did for pretty much the same reasons.

Bernie did it right for a LONG time (and honestly is doing it right now,k too). But, life is life, and doing it right means you often are at odds with the reality of the world.

He wanted to plug into the democratic party apparatus to try to win POTUS, but parties value loyalty, and have a tribal mentality. He just happened to have made this run when a super established person, whose "time" it was, was running.

Maybe another time he would have been able to push his way through it, but Hillary just had too much working for her.

[Orsino]

21. All part of candidacy in a party. n/t

[MineralMan]

23. I'm very sure that Bernie Sanders will endorse

Hillary Clinton and work with her to defeat Donald Trump. That will be his choice, and won't be based on people telling him to take his ball and go home. Bernie's a very smart man, and has the wisdom to know what the best course in this election is.

I hope his wisdom is infectious among his supporters. If not, I wonder if they were really his supporters, or were just using him to attack Clinton.

Don't believe me? Just watch.

[Skink]

24. Just like I said you want payback.

[MineralMan]

25. Payback for what, and in what currency?

You're making very little sense here.

[coco77]

41. A vote..

[La Lioness Priyanka]

27. who is the 'their'? are you not a democrat?

we let him run on our ticket and we want him to put the democratic party first over his own personal ambitions

[PeaceNikki]

28. "They"? "Payback"?

wut?

[Lil Missy]

31. All they want from Bernie is to go away.

[MyNameGoesHere]

36. Sanders, the Democrat of convenience

Wasn't let to do anything. He chose it.

[azurnoir]

39. Sanders has done the Democratic Party a great service

he made the perfect canary, Hillary needed to run against someone and Sanders cost the Democratic party nothing nada zilch no Democratic Senator, House member, or Governor was sacrificed

[Thinkingabout]

52. Payback? Sanders needs to honor his agreement.

[leftofcool]

54. No, they just want him to go away. Far away.

[rock]

55. Now?

Let's see, some politicians got together and agreed on a favor. And the expression "quid pro quo" didn't immediately flash cross your mind? Or did you think Bernie was the one granting the favor?