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One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:24 AM Jun 2016

Why picking a female VP would be advantageous to Hillary

Ok, maybe I'm the only odd ball who thinks this, but I think that Hillary should pick a woman for VP, and if not Warren, then some other female politician.

I just think that would truly be a historic national ticket, not one but two women, and so interesting to watch a race between the "women ticket" against the traditional "white male ticket", (because I'm pretty sure Trump will choose another white male for his VP)

Would that be a fascinating contest, or what?

And, since women outnumber men as far as the US population goes, it would seem to hold a big advantage for Hillary to do something like this.

Am I way off base, or what?

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Why picking a female VP would be advantageous to Hillary (Original Post) One Black Sheep Jun 2016 OP
I think there is a large group of men who would flor-de-jasmim Jun 2016 #1
yea, I suppose so. I won't even then say what my other really radical idea was then, heh One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #4
Or, gasp, a lesbian!!!! nt justiceischeap Jun 2016 #8
touché! Now you're talkin' One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #9
Michelle Obama Fumesucker Jun 2016 #22
As a rational man metroins Jun 2016 #31
I think it would be stupid if she was only looking for a woman Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
fair enough. One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #5
For some reason, it's OK when men are only looking for men. athena Jun 2016 #14
I think that's a silly reason Madam Mossfern Jun 2016 #3
I like your answer, and I tend to agree. One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #6
IMHO Madam Mossfern Jun 2016 #7
For me, if two candidates are equal, I will vote for the woman first. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #28
Are you trying to lose the GE? woolldog Jun 2016 #10
Ok, but I have seen a lot of talk about Warren being considered for VP One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #12
If one is psychologically consumed by demographics.... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #11
The notion that Hillary needs a man... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #13
good post. One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #15
Hillary should pick the best qualified VP that will help to unite the party.... BooScout Jun 2016 #16
What a splendid idea!!! Ino Jun 2016 #17
Hillary along with the DNC randr Jun 2016 #18
I didn't like the idea being conditioned in the patriarchy along with the rest, but upon seabeyond Jun 2016 #19
An all-female jury aquitted George Zimmerman davidn3600 Jun 2016 #20
All women... Zimmerman. OK? Second, "women have more wisdom than men" Your argument, not mine. seabeyond Jun 2016 #25
Im just pointing out the sexism you seem to be oblivious to. That's all. davidn3600 Jun 2016 #29
David, you give me a whole lot of things I do not think or state, and I do not play this game. seabeyond Jun 2016 #33
It would certainly appeal to the "identity politics" crowd. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #21
then do not vote for her. Otherwise, you post is empty of anything really. I do not get it. seabeyond Jun 2016 #26
Michelle Obama Fumesucker Jun 2016 #23
Why do you think Trump will choose a white male? oberliner Jun 2016 #24
Paul Manafort already called it "pandering" Skinner Jun 2016 #27
Trump has been known to defy his advisors oberliner Jun 2016 #34
I would like to see a young up and coming star of the Democratic Party. Tikki Jun 2016 #30
Trump may choose a female SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #32

flor-de-jasmim

(2,117 posts)
1. I think there is a large group of men who would
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jun 2016

Hope for a man on the ticket to have a moderating influence (that should have been in quotes). Two women on the ticket might be too radical for them.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
4. yea, I suppose so. I won't even then say what my other really radical idea was then, heh
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jun 2016

that is, for Hillary to pick a woman of color as her VP!

Even I can see that may be too radical still, even for today's America, lol.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
9. touché! Now you're talkin'
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jun 2016

now that would be radical! Even more than say, picking a self described atheist. Automatic doom and big loss, even in today's America...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. Michelle Obama
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

I've said on DU a number of times i think she might be a more aggressive President than her husband.

She's smart as hell, knows where the levers of power are hidden after eight years as first spouse, has Barack as a literal kitchen cabinet and is attractive to boot.

What's not to love?

metroins

(2,550 posts)
31. As a rational man
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think men care whether it's 1 woman or 2 or 0.

It's not even a factor in my vote or other men that I know of.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. I think it would be stupid if she was only looking for a woman
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jun 2016

Pick the best person for the job. Often for a VP, that means they need to come from a swing state, and help balance out the ticket. If it happens to be a woman, great, but she shouldn't pick somebody just because she is a woman.

athena

(4,187 posts)
14. For some reason, it's OK when men are only looking for men.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jun 2016

No one even asks whether gender is the reason they are picking a man. Choosing someone for their gender only becomes a problem when the gender in question is female.

In other words, men are free to benefit from male mentorship and influence, but when a woman tries to be a mentor to other women and use her influence to help other women succeed, suddenly people start crying, "Sexist!" "Unfair!" "She's not the best person for the job!"

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
3. I think that's a silly reason
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jun 2016

It bothers me when her supporters emphasize that she should be supported because she's a woman. Yes a woman President would be a first, but being a demographic first is not a valid reason for supporting a candidate. Hillary should pick a running mate who will do well in the debate between Vice Presidential candidates, will be a ferocious attack dog for her when necessary, and whom she know the electorate will agree would be a good President if for some reason Clinton can no longer serve.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
28. For me, if two candidates are equal, I will vote for the woman first.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Men have dominated long enough.
Being a woman does not decide my vote, but it is a point I consider when i look the policies a candidate champions.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
10. Are you trying to lose the GE?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:47 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary can't win by speaking to women alone. She needs to keep her losing margin with men respectable. A two female ticket won't do that. It's not going to win her any more female votes. And it will further alienate men.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
12. Ok, but I have seen a lot of talk about Warren being considered for VP
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

I am not the only one proposing it! That is for damn sure.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
11. If one is psychologically consumed by demographics....
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:50 AM
Jun 2016

>>>Would that be a fascinating contest, or what? >>>>

it's fascinating as HELL.

To people who have grown up, out and/or beyond that.... well, they might be more concerned w. issues (REAL issues, not ID politics), qualifications, temperament, political philosophy, economic philosophy, etc.

Grown-up stuff, in other words.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
13. The notion that Hillary needs a man...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jun 2016

to balance the ticket and make her candidacy somehow more palatable?

No one recognizes the casual sexism inherent in this position?

Hillary is our Democratic nominee. She just happens to be a woman. Which is great, and historic, and all.

Elizabeth Warren has come out swinging at Trump harder and stronger than anyone else, her 'progressive' Wall Street vs Main Street credentials are impeccable, she is already well-recognized nationally...and she just happens to be a woman.

Add it all up, and Clinton/Warren would be a dynamic candidacy of two experienced, qualified candidates unmatched by any of the Republican candidates!

And if an "all female" Democratic ticket inspires you in any way, good for you! 44 men and counting, right?

It can be, and should be, nothing but a positive attribute here in the 21st Century!

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
16. Hillary should pick the best qualified VP that will help to unite the party....
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jun 2016

I can't think of anyone more qualified and one who could help unite the party better than Warren. That she happens to be a woman has nothing to do with it.

randr

(12,393 posts)
18. Hillary along with the DNC
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jun 2016

will pick the candidate that delivers the most EC votes. Geography, ethnicity, and populism are the key factors. She already has the gender issue covered.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
19. I didn't like the idea being conditioned in the patriarchy along with the rest, but upon
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

consideration I have been really liking this idea. People that won't vote for women, won't vote for Clinton whether there is another woman on the ticket or not. Strong voices of women to be heard all this time, would be great. One of the nifty I have seen in this primary, is so many of the voices are women, and that has been a blast.

Optically, it will not have the image of the man, VP, being in the supportive role we see so much with women, but two women in autonomy.

The glass ceiling not only broken, or shattered, but obliterated.

I have since really come to love the idea of two woman ticket.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
20. An all-female jury aquitted George Zimmerman
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

This idea that women have more wisdom than men is a bit sexist and ridiculous. There is no evidence that one gender would be any better than the other as a leader. Candidates should be chosen for their character and qualifications, not their gender or their race or their perceived elecatability.

Do you disagree?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
29. Im just pointing out the sexism you seem to be oblivious to. That's all.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

I think it is safe to assume you want an all-female ticket. That's what is most important to you that a specific gender is leading the way.

Your words, not mine...

I have since really come to love the idea of two woman ticket.


Isn't that just as bad as someone here saying they 'love the idea of an all-male ticket?'

Maybe you can be so kind to clarify what you mean here?
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. David, you give me a whole lot of things I do not think or state, and I do not play this game.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

It is manipulative, dishonest, wrong, ... So why would I waste time with it?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
21. It would certainly appeal to the "identity politics" crowd.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

For me, it would depend entirely on the woman chosen. And I can't really think of any that would make Hillary even remotely palatable...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
23. Michelle Obama
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jun 2016

I've said on DU a number of times i think she might be a more aggressive President than her husband.

She's smart as hell, knows where the levers of power are hidden after eight years as first spouse, has Barack as a literal kitchen cabinet and is attractive to boot.

What's not to love?



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Why do you think Trump will choose a white male?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jun 2016

I would imagine he would choose a person of color, and possibly a female.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
27. Paul Manafort already called it "pandering"
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016
Paul Manafort, a top aide to Donald Trump, said the presumptive Republican nominee is unlikely to pick a woman or minority for the position because "that would be viewed as pandering, I think."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump-vice-president/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. Trump has been known to defy his advisors
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

I guess the most likely scenario is that he would pick a white male, but who knows.

Tikki

(14,519 posts)
30. I would like to see a young up and coming star of the Democratic Party.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016

Someone like Julian Castro or Kamala Harris.



Tikki

SCantiGOP

(13,815 posts)
32. Trump may choose a female
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

I think he/they are clueless enough to think that would dispel some of the outrage people have about his attitude toward, and comments about, women.
Then, he could say "See my woman" like he pointed out "my African American" to show he wasn't racist.

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