Memo to my fellow HillBots*

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Maybe in the remaining days of this forum we should let be bygones be bygones and refrain from speaking ill of Bernie Sanders. He is in the process of endorsing Hillary Clinton.











*Hillbots, Hillarians, HillShrills; they no longer bother me and they shouldn't bother you. Let us go into the general election with good cheer and hand Donald Trump his incipient fascist ass...


Love always
DemocratSinceBirth

[notadmblnd]

1. He! You can't resist

[pangaia]

4. +1000

[newfie11]

2. NO he is NOT endorsing hillary!!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Never?

Are you sure about that?

[SFnomad]

5. You're in denial ... are you going to throw Sanders under the bus too? n/t

[TwilightZone]

6. There is little doubt that he will, as he said he would.

I expect him to keep his word. There's little reason for him not to, particularly if we take what he's said recently and in the recent past at face value.

[CorkySt.Clair]

9. And what if he does?

Will you disavow Bernie?

[Adrahil]

13. Of course he will.

He's not a moron. He knows what's at stake. He will fight for influence, but even Ben Jealous this morning said he expects to Bernie to stand down and endorse Hillary shortly after DC.

[obamanut2012]

25. Of course he is

Unless you think Bernie Sanders is a liar. I don't.

[mcar]

30. He will

After Tuesday's DC primary, I expect.

[SirBrockington]

60. Possibly at the convention

[ismnotwasm]

7. K&R

I, for reasons probably best left unexamined, keep untrashing GD-P. To, you know, take a peek.

But this is worth a kick.

[newfie11]

15. These people are premature

I've had it!
Bernie has not conceded, California ballots still being counted, and super delegates need to vote at Philly.

[Maru Kitteh]

34. I'm not being snarky or dismissive. I honestly want to know

How many election cycles you've been through, or if this might be your first.

It's a point of curiosity only.

For transparencies sake; my first vote was for Dukakis. DUKAKIS!

Talk about optimism and idealism crushed? Oh yeah. That was truly punishing.

So anyway, how many primaries and POTUS elections have you voted in? Have you voted in mid-term elections before? Curious to know.

[MrMickeysMom]

8. Doubtful he'll endorse her...

... or the majority of his supporters.

Emotional Intelligence would have to take a precipitous dive to forget who is best to support for the presidency.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I am sorry you feel that way.

I hope you will not heap scorn on the great junior senator from Vermont when he endorses our party's nominee. He deserves nothing but kudos for his efforts.

[MrMickeysMom]

11. At your crystal ball, are you?

Just where do you get this idea?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Our treasured Cali told me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2170119

[Adrahil]

14. Well, I think you are dead wrong.

My wife was a Bernie supporter. So were a number of my friends. All but one have already gotten behind her in the last week. And that last one admits he will likely support her in the end. Will there be some dead-enders? Sure. But reality is what it is. He lost. We're now down to a binary decision.

[newfie11]

19. Sorry I won't jump ship until he says so

AND that's not happened yet.

[Adrahil]

24. OK, that's fair enough. I'll have a cold one ready for ya when you get here!

[MrMickeysMom]

23. And I think the real supporters of the Political Revolution are not mentioned in your post...

The rest of us have been doing our homework, and don't see the world like minions hitting a "0" or "1". Critical thinking requires a deeper analysis of what is going on here.

Good luck.

[Adrahil]

26. you said, "the majority of his supporters"

Now I admit it's based on my relatively small sample of people I know, but it convinces me that nothing LIKE a majority will refuse to support her. Not to mention, EVERY poll on the subject indicates a vast majority of Sanders supporters WILL vote for her.

And I have yet to vote for a candidate I completely agree with. Ever. Life is a series of choices, and right now the choice is between Clinton and Trump.

[democrattotheend]

18. I think he will eventually

But it probably won't be a ringing endorsement. I am sure he can find plenty of nice things to say about her, but he will want to stay true to his beliefs. It would be disingenuous for him to hold her up as a great progressive hero when he doesn't see her that way. But he can still encourage his supporters to vote for her because she is a lot better than Trump.

2008 was different because Hillary and Obama were not nearly as far apart ideologically.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. You're entitled to your opinion...

... It doesn't matter how close Hillary and Barack were in 2008... More Democrats have awakened to the fact that neither one worked towards economic equality and both have served Wall Street very well.

We don't need to level the playing field only for the 1%. We need to level the playing field for every working American. We need to finally step up to the second Bill of Rights so that we catch up to what every other industrialized nation does for its' citizens... not TO its' citizens.

I'm sure we all can find nice things to say about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. But that is not what the American people and the world need as the point of focus if we give two shits about the future of humanity.

It's that simple, and if you'll hear anything, you'll hear that and little else to confirm that either Clinton or Obama got us there or will take us there.

[Maru Kitteh]

41. So. What I am hearing here is that your threshold for "ringing endorsement" = pedestal.

You: He will say nice things about her, but will not hold her up as a progressive hero.

This will be the dog whistle, his blinking in Morse code on a hostage video to "great progressives" that he is trapped behind enemy lines?



Is it possible, that as a career politician of 35+ years, Senator Sanders may have been the perfect person, at the perfect time to pull Hillary back toward her decidedly left, decidedly progressive, frequently demonstrated values and instincts?

Could it be, as those closest to SBS say, that his intention in this run was always to pull the party and it's platform leftward back toward it's best self?

Could it be, that SBS may, with assurances that key pieces of his agenda will live on with HRC, actually find it not just advantageous, but amiable to honor his word and go forward with genuine enthusiasm for this historical candidate?

[PoliticAverse]

27. He'll be endorsing the Democratic nominee for President, even if it isn't him. n/t

[sheshe2]

12. K&R

[ucrdem]

17. Those old smartphones sure looked funny

But at least they didn't require charging . . .

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Unconditional, enthusiastic K & R.

[NurseJackie]

22. How can they be "bygones" if the attacks and lies and insults and smears still continue?

I luv ya to pieces, DSB, but I think your pleas are a lost cause until the deadline hits.

[Lil Missy]

28. I DO mind being called derrogatory names. And the refrain from "speaking ill of Bernie"

needs to be reciprocated to HRC, our Democratic Nominee.

[libdem4life]

29. I will not commit until the day before the election,

or when HRC is exhonerated and cleared...whichever happens first.

On that day I will know all there is to know to make my decision. And it doesn't belong to anyone but me.

[Fla Dem]

31. This post was not about ANYONE commiting. Your decision is your decision

DSB was suggesting HRC supporters dial back any criticism of BS and his supporters. But thank you for letting us know where you stand.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Thanks DSB

Doing my best. I do slip into useless games of pong sometimes trying to explain a few assorted things to some brick walls, but I do NOT say anything negative about SBS.

As for the name-calling I see? Doesn't even phase me. I've done psych, critical care and hospice nursing in rural Montana. I live on a mountain with bears and mountain lions. You're going to need to bring more than words to scare me!

[Maru Kitteh]

33. kicking because it should be seen

By both sides who need to sweep their own front porches.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. This is what I am listening to right now

[DCBob]

36. Bye gones!

[KingFlorez]

37. He is not going to endorse her

What likely will happen is that he'll issue a statement thanking his supporters and vaguely acknowledge that he did not win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I have faith in him that he will do the right thing.

[Maru Kitteh]

40. I have faith that he is a man of his word, and will endorse and fight for the nominee

as he said he would.

[frazzled]

62. He did not say he would endorse or fight for the nominee

He has only stated (repeatedly) that he will fight against Donald Trump. That's really not good enough. And it's pretty much unprecedented.

But I really don't care at this point. I can see that already, within a week, he has become pretty irrelevant. Most of his supporters are already pivoting. Some never will, but it doesn't really matter.

[wildeyed]

39. I'm a LOLigarch.

Or a Hellbot. Either works for me. And yeah, I'm ready for this primary to be in the rear view mirror too. Now it is time to beat Trump's ass bigly.

[bravenak]

44. I'm a hillcat

Liked that one

[wildeyed]

68. Hillcat sounds cool.

Like a beatnik Clinton supporter who sharpens their claws on the uninformed

[bravenak]

81. Ooooh! I like that

[azurnoir]

42. Honeymoon time?

[bravenak]

43. DSB says he loves you too

Don't fret. He'll be here to hang out with you soon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. I missed you...

[azurnoir]

48. why? we've both been here

or do you mean you'll miss me when?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I was on a unrequested hiatus

I thought that is what you were referring to.

[azurnoir]

53. first I've heard of it - someone has to be gone couple of weeks at least before I notice

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. I tripped the two hide in 24 hour software...

However the most hides I have ever had at one time is 4.

[azurnoir]

57. I thought it was 2 hides on the same thread software

I could swear I've seen people get 2 hides in 24 hours and as long as it's different threads they aren't flagged but in any event welcome back

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Thank you.

[brooklynite]

46. Sanders not ending campaign in Thursday's video speech: spokesman...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Let's give him enough time to do the right thing.

[auntpurl]

50. If he sticks to his issues, fine.

If he campaigns directly against Hillary, all bets are off. I've been very reasonable regarding Bernie, I think. But I will seriously get out a pitchfork.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I don't believe he has handled this well...

[HumanityExperiment]

51. Who are you to say he isn't doing the 'right thing' now?

When did principles take a back seat to party?

Do you place party over principle?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I am a human being and consequently worthy of respect.

Who are you to say he isn't doing the 'right thing' now?

I am a human being and consequently worthy of respect.

[HumanityExperiment]

61. ...corrected...

what 'context or rule' of 'doing the right thing' rule book are you working from...

do you place party over principle? that's the rule book I'm working off of, so Bernie is 'doing the right thing' by standing on principle

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. And I am standing on principle when I saying the honorable thing to do is...

And I am standing on principle when I saying the honorable thing for him to do is for him to honor his pledge to support the Democratic nominee:

Bernie Sanders Says He Will ‘Certainly Support’ Hillary Clinton If She’s The Democratic Nominee

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

An honest man's word is as good as his bond.

-Miguel de Cervantes

[HumanityExperiment]

70. perspective

'Bernie Sanders Says He Will ‘Certainly Support’ Hillary Clinton If She’s The Democratic Nominee'

your perspective on the phrase 'certainly support', are you sure it matches up with Bernie's perspective on that phrase? Does it matter to you to make sure you're on the same page with him on that phrase?

You're 'standing' on something, it's just not principle, but perspective...

You're being principled by embracing the perspective right or wrong...

Interesting quote you threw in there in that last bit... Do you consider Bernie to be dishonest?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. If I gave you my word and then reneged on it what would you think of me?

Thank you in advance.

[HumanityExperiment]

73. ...Subjective...

pretty dicey to take a phrase that's subjective and use it as a posting 'mallet' to try to make a point on a forum

Bernie made a statement using a phrase he understood as he only knows, are you sure you want to bet that you know what he's thinking and acting on from use of that phrase?

let's play the game then.... what did Bernie mean when he stated ‘Certainly Support’

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. On a scale of 1-10 how high would you rank keeping one's word?

Thank you in advance.

[HumanityExperiment]

76. ...WOW...

you're one of those TT types here on the forum, I get it now

have a day!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. What is a "TT type"?

Thank you in advance.

[HumanityExperiment]

63. primary = jv ball... good to know... which team ideological/principle do you play for?

what you're referring to is 'good sportsmanship'

Let's change sports...

How 'hard ball' is politics? Is Bernie throwing too far high and inside causing establishment DEMs to back off the plate? Is convention considered the 9th inning?

How far do you wish to take this deflection / distraction?

[Demsrule86]

77. He has had plenty of time

Time to end this. Assume he will never do the right thing and cut our losses...no speech and platform and damn West either.

[Gothmog]

55. Welcome back

[Buzz cook]

59. I'm fine with Bernie

Though he was starting to irk me.

It has been his supporters on the intertubes that have been the main irritant. The ones I've interacted with in the real world have been fine and dandy.

I'm sure at one point those online warriors will stand down.

[Agnosticsherbet]

64. I,m good with that.

Proud Hillbot.

[bigtree]

65. if the election is a zero sum contest

...then that might make sense.

But Sanders is still poking around looking for an advantage. This isn't tiddlywinks. There are Democratic priorities which require defending against the Sanders campaign assaults on our party, our platform, and our system of elections.

We'd be damned to look the other way and let him have the floor to himself. He'll get as good as he dishes out, and he's still dishing.

[Vogon_Glory]

67. Does this mean I have to stop calling Bernie's followers fan-boys and fan-girls?

Just wondering.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. At least not here.

[BootinUp]

72. I have seen no evidence he is "in the process"

but I try to minimize any criticism of the single minded Senator as much as possible.

Oh, and welcome back DSB!

[Demsrule86]

75. glad to do this.

However, Bernie needs to concede and endorse...or he is the opposition just like Trump.

[jamese777]

79. A Failure To Endorse

would cause the Democratic Party to come down hard on Bernie. He would probably lose ranking member status on the hugely important Budget Committee and possibly Committee Chair if the Dems take the majority. That would cost him dearly in having the power and the influence to implement his primary policy agenda.

[quickesst]

80. "Bernie never said...

... he would support Hillary Clinton if she were the Democratic nominee."

I've heard this before. If he goes back on his word that would make him a liar. I don't think he is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93

Sure I will,” he said, when pressed by CBS News’ Charlie Rose in an interview. “Look, as I said a million times, I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her.”

It's too bad Bernie does not have the support of some of his people concerning this important matter.