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Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:14 PM

Can we drop the "Bernie pushed Hillary to the left" meme?

Hillary has always been on the left on many issues... just because you can pick out certain issues that may viewed as being a centrist or to the right (the same way you can do with Obama or 95% of the democrats in the congress), doesn't mean she hasn't always had positions that were to the left.

The main reason Hillary said she didn't need to adopt Bernie's platform is that her policy position on her website (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/) are left wing.

Understandably, in the primaries, we magnify the differences between our candidates, but in comparison to the republicans... hillary's stance to 90% of issues are clearly to the left.

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Reply Can we drop the "Bernie pushed Hillary to the left" meme? (Original post)
qdouble Jun 2016 OP
tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #1
qdouble Jun 2016 #10
Rockyj Jun 2016 #11
Vinca Jun 2016 #2
CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #3
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #5
tabasco Jun 2016 #22
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #23
qdouble Jun 2016 #8
RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #15
qdouble Jun 2016 #17
RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #20
qdouble Jun 2016 #21
jamese777 Jun 2016 #13
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #4
scscholar Jun 2016 #14
seabeyond Jun 2016 #6
reformist2 Jun 2016 #7
qdouble Jun 2016 #9
jamese777 Jun 2016 #12
xfundy Jun 2016 #16
qdouble Jun 2016 #19
GoneFishin Jun 2016 #18

Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:16 PM

1. You can do the same with Bernie (re: gun control), but they think he's a damn saint anyway. eom

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:34 PM

10. Bernie will be forgiven for any non far left position he has up and until he endorses Hillary.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:38 PM

11. He is a saint with a D rating with NRA...

And believes in background checks & what democrats believe to hold gun owners more accountable.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:16 PM

2. It's not a meme.

Hillary has rarely been on the left of anything and I expect you'll be seeing a fast turnaround on fracking and the TPP if she's elected.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:20 PM

3. Yeah, he pushes for health care and women's rights in 19 f'n 92 were soooo right wing.

 

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:23 PM

22. LMAO.

 

These people base their much more thorough analysis on actions a politician has actually made, not just what they claim to believe.




www.politicalcompass.org

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Response to tabasco (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:24 PM

23. Political Compass has a disclaimer on their site that clearly states it does not apply to US pols

It also says that Sanders isn't remotely a socialist and is, in fact, a militarist.

You agree?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:25 PM

8. TPP isn't a left wing or right wing issue #1... and she isn't in anyway a strong proponent of

fracking. Regardless, there's tons of policy positions on her site that are indeed left wing. Singling 5 out 400 positions that you don't think are to the left does not make someone a right winger.

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Response to RazBerryBeret (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:48 PM

17. Are you reading what I'm reading?

Allowing fracking in very limited capacity is not equivalent to being "a strong proponent of fracking." The article doesn't rebut what I said.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:03 PM

20. this is her NEW position

previously she was for it, even selling the Fracking idea to other countries.

she changed her position, most likely because Bernie pushed Hillary to the left. again.

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Response to RazBerryBeret (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 PM

21. Those emails that they refer to are what she did as Secretary of State,

which was the position of the administration. We can't take from it that it was what she planned to do as president.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:51 PM

13. American Conservative Union

The ACU rates every member of Congress on their votes on issues of primary concern to conservatives. The following is from the ACU's 2014 rankings: "Another interesting fact in our analysis is the stark reminder that Sec. Hillary Clinton is no moderate. While many in the media portray her as more centrist than self-described Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) or fringe activist Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Clinton’s lifetime rating of 8.13% is within two percentage points from those extremists. And shockingly, all three of these presidential hopefuls are even more liberal than President Barack Obama’s Lifetime Rating of 10% from when he served in the U.S. Senate. If America wants a third Obama term, three candidates will not disappoint."
http://conservative.org/acu-releases-2014-annual-ratings-of-congress/

A perfect conservative rating from the ACU is 100. Hillary Clinton voted conservative 8.13% of the time while in the Senate and Barack Obama voted conservative 10% of the time.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:21 PM

4. So why keep bringing it up?

Duh.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:55 PM

14. This!

 

This story needs to be buried.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:22 PM

6. Top 15% most progressive. Yes, Clinton is progression and some ways on some policy,

 

more progressive than Sanders, like college plan.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:23 PM

7. She's fairly to the right on foreign policy, and will never budge.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:33 PM

9. Depends if you think being left wing = pacifism or not.

Bernie supports the war on terror, voted to fund wars, etc.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:38 PM

12. No One Knows How Anyone Will Govern

Until that person is in office and the partisan composition of both Houses of Congress is determined and we know which ideology is the majority on the Supreme Court. Add to that, world events that are outside the control of any president and the cyclical nature of the U.S. Economy.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:14 PM

16. No.

It's true. She'll get more rightward-tilted as time goes on. She's no liberal.

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Response to xfundy (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:49 PM

19. Except for all of her liberal policy positions, she's no liberal at all.

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Response to qdouble (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:49 PM

18. She's not moving anywhere. She routinely tells every audience in front of her what they want to

hear.

If she parroted any of Bernie's positions, that is all she is doing. She will lurch to the far right as soon as faking left no longer suits her.

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