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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:20 AM

 

There is no reason to still be in campaign attack mode towards Bernie and his supporters

It's coming to an end. It doesn't matter, at this point, whether or not Bernie formally withdraws from the race. He and most of us are cooperating with the party(while working to make sure that the platform does reflect our views as much as the views of the HRC, which is only fair and which no one has any real reason to object to).

This is no longer a war. It's no longer anything, really.

Just chill.

It's all going to come together in good time.

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Reply There is no reason to still be in campaign attack mode towards Bernie and his supporters (Original post)
Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP
creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #1
B Calm Jun 2016 #16
creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #36
athena Jun 2016 #43
athena Jun 2016 #44
RobertEarl Jun 2016 #2
Scuba Jun 2016 #22
NurseJackie Jun 2016 #28
SFnomad Jun 2016 #3
ciaobaby Jun 2016 #6
Sunsky Jun 2016 #17
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #25
SFnomad Jun 2016 #39
wyldwolf Jun 2016 #34
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #40
SFnomad Jun 2016 #41
Arazi Jun 2016 #4
ciaobaby Jun 2016 #5
RobertEarl Jun 2016 #8
cui bono Jun 2016 #10
NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #7
cui bono Jun 2016 #11
NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #12
Renew Deal Jun 2016 #30
Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #35
senz Jun 2016 #9
Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #13
Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #14
Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #15
think Jun 2016 #18
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #19
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #20
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #26
QC Jun 2016 #37
Trust Buster Jun 2016 #21
Scuba Jun 2016 #23
Tarc Jun 2016 #24
Southerncomfy Jun 2016 #27
Fumesucker Jun 2016 #29
DrDan Jun 2016 #31
coco77 Jun 2016 #32
randr Jun 2016 #33
Lil Missy Jun 2016 #38
MaggieD Jun 2016 #42

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:26 AM

1. Can you find a post on the front page

that attacks Bernie?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:35 AM

36. The first link is a defense

against a conspiracy theory. Its not an attack against Bernie. The second link is an attack on Bernie supporters, but not on Bernie.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:33 PM

43. If you see the first link as an attack against Bernie

then you didn't understand the point the OP was making.

He was making a mathematical argument that really isn't all that subtle. Bernie supporters on DU have been arguing endlessly that Bernie supporters' votes must have been stolen because Bernie had huge rallies. Others, including the media, have concluded that Bernie supporters who showed up for rallies must not have voted. The poster whose thread you're objecting to was pointing out that this conclusion doesn't necessarily follow. Bernie supporters who showed up for Bernie's rallies probably did vote. It's a quantitative argument, and to understand it, you simply need to realize that only a tiny fraction of voters attend rallies. If Hillary supporters are even slightly less likely to attend rallies than Bernie supporters, you can have a result where Bernie has huge rallies and Hillary still wins the most votes.

If anything, the post you're objecting to was a defense of Bernie supporters. Do you really want to be portrayed as someone who shows up for rallies but can't be bothered to vote on election day?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:35 PM

44. As for your second link,

it says nothing about Bernie or his supporters in general. It says that the refusal of some to accept the legitimacy of the results of the Democratic primary is a sign of sexism.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:28 AM

2. 5 more days

 

Then admins are gonna lower the boom on the anti-Bernie threads, What will the anti-Bernie posters do?

I suggest they go ahead and get it out of their system.

Just 5 more days and it''s all over!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:38 AM

22. Snort!

 

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:11 AM

28. Ha!

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:30 AM

3. You'd have some credibility if you chastised the BS cheerleaders that are still running around

 

crapping all over the carpet around here. There is a lot more of that than Clinton supporters in "campaign attack mode".

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:46 AM

6. Your'e so silly.

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:17 AM

17. I agree nt

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:02 AM

25. SFnomad says to be credible one must chastise both sides but when saying this SFnomad only

 

aims criticism and name calling at Bernie's side. 'BS' because typing Bernie's actual name is too offensive to them.

I think you'd have some credibility if you chastised those in the wrong regardless of their 'side' but that's not what you do.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:21 PM

39. If you look at the OPs being created ... there are very few attack OPs against Sanders now

 

But you still have a number of people that are creating crap OP after crap OP against Secretary Clinton. Yes, the number of posts is down considerably from a couple of weeks ago ... but if you compare what side is doing what, try being honest and listing them, you'll find that the against Clinton OPs well outnumber the against Sanders OPs.

And if you look at the "quit being so mean to us OPs" ... all I've seen are the BS cheerleaders posting those.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:30 AM

34. Exactly

It's the Bernie followers still in campaign mode because Bernie still is.

Bernie followers are still trying to shut down dissent. They can't do it with the jury system anymore so they're pushing the narrative that supporters of the Democratic nominee are in campaign mode for continuing to defend Clinton against their BS.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:25 PM

40. No kidding

 

Republican hate radio conspiracy theories about Hillary 24/7 on DU still.

I don't see any Sanders supporters telling those posters to cool it.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

41. And that's the larger issue. In the case of the Sanders attack posts, it generally about what he's

 

done ... his voting record, his campaign strategy, speeches, etc. But do we really need to go over his gun voting record of many years ago, again? What's the point?

But in the case of Clinton, it's about these conspiracy theories you'd expect to see on right wingnut sites or breathless concern trolling over the email investigation, Benghazi, Broaddrick, etc.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:32 AM

4. Good luck. Even now the beat down continues - Bernie supporters as misogynistic, sexist, racist

They're still determined to beat the shit out of us til the bitter end

Gotta make sure we know exactly how despicably racist, sexist, and misogynistic we are. An unrelenting avalanche of shit dumped on us "losers". 

Any attempt at dignity must be met with knives gauging out more flesh. Make sure we're all shoved into disgusting charicatures of the "other" to ensure this movement is dead, dead, dead - pushed into the ovens of history.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:45 AM

5. so very true !

 

from one sexist, racist, misogynistic Bernie supporter to another.
Stay real. Spread truth.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:19 AM

8. I saw that thread title

 

And then I logged in: Poof, it's gone.

In 5 days such posts will be deleted by the admins, I'm sure.

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Response to Arazi (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:37 AM

10. And don't forget they don't need us.

That's what I keep seeing.

Rude and myopic. Yeah, that'll work.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:18 AM

7. It's human nature.

As long as the BSers post anti-HRC shit, the HRCers will respond with anti-Bernie shit.

And the anti-HRC (and often anti-Dem) stuff getting posted here right now is over-the-top bulllshit, because posters who are planning to leave on the 16th anyway don't care if they get a hide - or even banned. So it's a "fire at will" mentality.

So of course the Hillary supporters are going to counter-attack - by posting their anti-BS vitriol (finally free to do so at long last) and talk about how overjoyed they will be when the anti-Hillary folks are no longer welcome to post their usual crap.

Human nature, Ken. Suggesting that one side lay down their arms while the other side continues to fire at will is NOT going to be seen as a viable solution.

Yes, it WILL all come together in good time. But that time won't arrive until the Admins put their foot down.

That's not the way it should be - but it IS the way it is.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:38 AM

11. That's all ass-backwards.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:39 AM

12. I'm sure you think so. n/t

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:44 AM

30. This accurately describes the situation

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:51 AM

35. Exactly. nt

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:28 AM

9. They know they're on shaky ground. It makes them defensive.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:47 AM

13. I will continue to ignore

Recycled republican attacks, conspiracy theories, and wishful fantasy for a few more dsys.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:41 AM

14. Or maybe the realisation has dawned that the movemnet Sanders started is not going anywhere.

 

Hence the continued Brock-eries.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:05 AM

15. Your post is most likely the truth.

Plus they love to smug it up at every opportunity.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:54 AM

18. Perhaps calling Bernie supporters racist and sexist is their way of uniting the party.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:59 AM

19. Really isn't. Some just want to keep poking the other side.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:04 AM

20. Considering that a significant chunk of today's Hillary supporters said vile stuff about her in 2008

I'm starting to think it's mostly people who just like to be assholes and found an opportunity.

In fact there's a Hillary supporter on this thread who said things as nasty as any BernieBro about Hillary in 2008.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:06 AM

26. Yep, lots of people take up politics just for the set and setting in which they can act out their

 

aggressions at others. The politician is just a prop. The leading Bernie bashers on DU has posted for years on DU that they don't like Hillary, don't trust her or Bill.
Also a few here are working the antisemitic segments of supremacist thinking.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:39 AM

37. Bingo. The really harsh primary warriors are always the same people.

It has little to do with the candidates and pretty much everything to do with their desire to be shitty to people and their knowledge that they can get away with it here.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:09 AM

21. That works both ways Ken. Do you also wish to call for an end to attacks on Hillary and her

 

supporters ?

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:41 AM

23. Yes there is. The progressive movement must be crushed, humiliated, broken forever!!!

 

There's no room for progressives in the new Democratic Party. Our big tent just isn't big enough for progressives, liberals and other fucking hippies!!!













sarcasm thingy here for those w/o the gene





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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:55 AM

24. "There is no reason to still be in campaign attack mode towards Bernie..."

Can you point me to a transcript of Sanders' concession speech?

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:07 AM

27. Just joined DU after reading for a long while. I'm a HRC

 

Supporter but couldn't care less who the nominee is as long as there it's a democrat.

We all need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture: failure to come together means that there will be a bigoted egomaniac in the WH in novemeber.

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Response to Southerncomfy (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:26 AM

29. Welcome to DU

Here's your vuvuzela.



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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:17 AM

31. and vice versa - I agree with you

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:21 AM

32. And,if we can't discuss party issues now

 

when can you? Everyone is tired of the same old lies when nothing changes for the people on the lower end . We have been watching this for decades only a few benefit. We watch Democrats and republiCons on these talk shows like MJ throwing around millions like they are pennies and crying about a tax cut as though that matters to most.

If you don't have a job or are in debt what does it matter. If you are homeless who gives a damn! We watched Hillary in 2008 not get out the race when she was losing and then had the audacity to ask Obama supporters to pay off her 21 million dollar debt when she is a millionaire. Most of the shit she is talking about won't be felt by most,but feinstein,ryan mcconnell,and the rest of the gang will be even richer..

When it comes to the people tax dollars they use it for wars and other peoples shit but when it comes to using our money for WE THE PEOPLE we hear but,but,but,it can't be done..

I notice that Hillary lovers want everyone to just shut up and go along with the program and forever hold our peace. I don't think so.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:26 AM

33. The insecurity of the rabid Clintonites is showing

they will get over it when the Berners show up and save their candidate from humiliation.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:46 AM

38. You need to preach it to your own.

"Attack mode" cuts both ways.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:33 PM

42. Did he finally concede?

 

Have his supporters stopped smearing Clinton and other Democrats?

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