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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:07 AM

 

Sen. Warren Exposing Liberal Sexism

After Elizabeth Warren's endorsement of Hillary Clinton, we have seen an ugly strain of thought rising up among the 'progressive' left. Despite Bernie Sanders' position being that superdelegates should wait until the end of a primary to announce their support, and Warren doing exactly that, she is being viciously attacked for her endorsement of the Democratic nominee.

Her Facebook page and Twitter feed are being flooded with nasty comments branding her a traitor to the cause, which exposes an air of entitlement among some people, who feel that Warren owed it to them to do what they wanted.

More importantly, it exposes a startling degree of sexism among people who are supposed to be the most 'progressive' of us. Senator Merkely, Bernie's lone endorser in the Senate, has just flipped his allegiance and declared that he is supporting Hillary Clinton for President.

Where is the outrage? Where are the dozens of posts here calling him a sellout? Where are the hundreds of messages being sent to him that he has abandoned all of his principles?

This is the ugly truth we don't like to believe exists even among those of us on the left. One good Senator endorses the winner after the race is over, while another changes his vote to go with the winner, and it's the former who is facing pitchforks and torches.

It's sad, it's pathetic, and it reveals that 'progressives' aren't as righteous as they like to think.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:09 AM

1. Does make you wonder doesn't it?

Merkely gets a pass and warren doesn't.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:28 PM

90. I don't wonder anymore.

Been watching this for months.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:10 AM

2. Merkely endorsed Bernie....Elizabeth Warren never did. That is the difference. Not sexism.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:14 AM

3. You're wrong. Merkely abandoned Sanders, which should be worse, but Warren gets slammed. Sexism.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:34 AM

10. Please. Warren could have helped Bernie in many ways. Warren is a national figure.

 

Merkely is a minor figure by comparison.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:38 AM

12. A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders. How does that make sense?

 

Other than saying that Bernie was ENTITLED to her support for some reason?

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:40 AM

14. That's what I thought, too.

If someone who had been a friend turned against me, I would be much more hurt than if they had never been a friend in the first place.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:41 AM

15. When it counted, Merkely was on board.Warren would have counted throughout the entire primary season

 

She did not put herself on the line when we needed her.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:46 AM

18. 'When it counted', Warren did what Bernie said all the SDs should have done. Do you now hate Bernie?

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:55 AM

21. What I expected from Warren was for her to put her money where her mouth was.

 

I expected that from her during the primary.

I don't consider her endorsement of Hillary as a candidate to be a betrayal.

She made a calculated decision, and it tells me something about her that is separate from her policy beliefs.



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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:01 PM

25. You dislike her because of your own projections, not anything she actually said. Nice.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:06 PM

29. Warren said "the game is rigged"....she did not support Bernie, who wanted to change that.

 

She said "Wall St broke our economy"....now she endorses the hand picked candidate of Wall St.

I liked what she said. What I disliked was her unwillingness to stand up for Bernie when it really counted.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:09 PM

31. You imply staying neutral is as bad as endorsing the 'wrong' candidate.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:12 PM

32. ....Far worse if she had endorsed Hillary during the primaries... So No, I do not imply that

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:17 PM

36. How do you get mad at someone for NOT taking side, other than assuming it was owed to you?

 

Putting that onus on someone is entirely your own doing, and is such an entitled position that I don't know how to justify it.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:22 PM

37. She owes me nothing.....I just thought that she wanted to end the "rigged" system.

 

Choosing the hand picked candidate of those who "rigged" it after failing to endorse the person who wanted to change that makes no sense to me.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:26 PM

38. Making an endorsement would have been taking part in the 'rigged' system. She let the voters decide.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:13 PM

46. Warren knows what Clinton is standing on, she know Clinton is not all Sanders and supporters

 

created her as. Sanders has the fact and is not bigoted toward Clinton. She does not oppose Clinton mostly, because Clinton has very progressive policies, is informed, strong and knows what she is doing.

You and Sanders people are seeing it from your perspective, not Warrens.

You all say Warren is smart, bold and honest. But, when you do not like what Warren is saying about Clinton, she must have betrayed you. No. She is saying Sanders and supporters are wrong. That is not who Clinton is. She knows, she is a part.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:27 PM

52. What she believes is that Trump is far worse

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:31 PM

57. Warren has ALWAYS been supportive of Clinton and has only once challenged

 

her on a position, respectfully. Clinton listened to Warren and said, heard ya, and pretty cool your position.

You are creating soemthing that is not, to justify your position.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:38 PM

66. no. Hillary embraces what Warren refers to as legalized bribery.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #66)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:40 PM

67. See, Warner knows better. Hence being smart, like you all like her for. And moral. Knowing

 

that is not true, she won't pretend it is. Unlike Sanders.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:04 PM

114. Senator Elizabeth Warren


Senator Warren during the Primary issued a statement cheering Bernie on & urging him to stay in the race. Senators Sanders & Warren are liberals who promote progressive polices

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Response to liberal from boston (Reply #114)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:05 PM

115. She also applauded Clinton more than once.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:41 PM

101. Maybe she didn't rate Bernie

or rate his ability to get things done.

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Response to RogueTrooper (Reply #101)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:47 PM

103. that could be

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:48 PM

92. "A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders."

 

Nope. No sexism here.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #92)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:49 AM

135. You should remove those quotation marks.

 

You're quoting someone who is themselves mischaracterizing the another poster's position.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:30 PM

119. She was never under any obligation to help Bernie.

So why bring that up?

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Response to Lord Magus (Reply #119)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:54 PM

121. It has nothing to do with obligation

 

I just expected more of her. I would have supported her for President if she had run. I hoped that she would support Bernie since they are practically of one voice on many issues.


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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #121)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:28 AM

123. Maybe

She actually, you know, knows and has worked with him? And has decided he would make a shitty president. And only one of his Senate colleagues endorsed him. Just maybe?

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:20 AM

7. oh come on

no, no sexism on the left, oh no god forbid, we can't be sexist, we are leftist!

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Response to Florencenj2point0 (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:37 AM

11. Nonsense, for most of us, Elizabeth Warren was our first choice for President.

 

I would still be excited if she was nominated.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:39 AM

13. It's easy to support a woman in the hypothetical.

In fact, it means nothing, zilch, to say that you would vote for a woman who is not actually running for president.

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Response to athena (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:44 AM

17. Not hypothetical. Progressives were begging Warren to run.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:49 AM

19. You mean "Bernie supporters", who are now saying they don't want her as VP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512170117

By the way, I am a progressive, and I am for Hillary. A person who cares only about income inequality and thinks that sexism and racism are distractions is not a true progressive in my opinion.

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:58 AM

23. They don't want her as VP because it would be meaningless.

 

They don't want Bernie as VP either for the same reason.

Would you want Bernie as the VP?

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:00 PM

24. Not many Bernie supporters believed that.

Were many Hillary supporters only socially progressive but dismissed incomes inequality, healthcare, and education? Probably the same amount, which is to say, not very many.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

78. yes, until she was actually running

then it would have been different the moment she expressed an .opinion that was not sufficiently leftish.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:15 AM

4. Interesting point! KNR

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:16 AM

5. DWS, Clinton, PP Richardson, now Warren. When it was repeatedly said that if Warren

 

was president, then they would vote for her, proving how it is not about sexism, I stated they would go after her at a drop of the hat.

The most hate during this primary is exclusively toward women.

This is what sexism looks like.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:43 AM

16. You're right. The whole "we're not sexist and would happily vote for Warren" argument

went out the window the moment it started to look like Warren might be Hillary's choice for VP.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:04 PM

28. Do you like Sarah Palin and Carly Fiorina? Think they should be president?

 

You don't?

You're a sexist.

(Just using your myopic logic.)

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Response to Armstead (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:07 PM

30. What I do know, is I have had to stand with both women, and other RW women, with misogyny

 

hurled at these women, from our Democrats. I do not have the option of standing up for only the women I agree with.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:12 PM

33. What if someone says "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful."

 

What is someone else says "Ted Cruze says a lot of stupid things which are harmful."

Is one statement sexist, while the otehr is fine, simply because of the gender of who they are directed at?

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Response to Armstead (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:29 PM

39. "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful."

 

Find one comment from me, a feminist or another that has said this statement is sexist. Again, I do not waste my time arguing non truths or made up scenarios.

If they state she is a dingbat or any of the other sexist defining words directed exclusively to women, then I will speak up and call the language sexist. Where would you have an issue with that, being the progressive you are?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:01 PM

43. Criticizing Warren for so exuberantly aligning with Clinton.......

 

is not sexist.

I won't defend any overtly sexist or otherwise nasty comments against Warren.

But to attribute people's feelings about it as sexism, is just wrong....No more to do with gender that characterizing Palin as dumb.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:04 PM

44. Thank you for the lecture on sexism and what you allow is, and is not sexism.

 

There is all kinds of sexism in this world, which brings us the hard work of challenging the sexism in our world today.

You changed the argument to overt sexism. I addressed that issue. Now you are bring us back to the conversation about less overt sexism, and you insist that is NOT sexism. Bully for you. I disagree. And I know I have way more fact, academia, studies that will support my position and all you have is words thrown at us.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #44)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:34 PM

62. What-the-hell-ever

 

The attitude you express turns off many people who otherwise are supportive of increasing gender equality.

'But go ahead and have at it. .

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Response to Armstead (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:37 PM

64. So? I am not in existence to make those people feel good and that should have no baring on sexism

 

if it is a progressive position you support.

Not my job to coddle others. Lol. I do it with my own, I do not have to do it with the rest of the word.

Ya ya ya, I get, once again I turned you off, lol.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:38 PM

65. So right and wrong don't matter, it's all about your feels.

 

What-the-hell-ever indeed.



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Response to Armstead (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:07 PM

45. Right.

 

After all the "Hating Hillary is not sexist, if Warren were running we'd support her" posts here, it's hard to miss the sexist dismissal Warren is receiving from those same posters.

You can call it whatever you want, but it's pretty blatant to those without the hate colored blinders on.

And bringing up Palin, Fiorina or Thatcher is usually quite telling.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:32 PM

59. Right....It's all about sex. Always.

 

Listen to yourself.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:33 PM

61. Sexism exists.

 

Listen to your own self.



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Response to JTFrog (Reply #61)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:40 PM

68. Oh really? Gee I never noticed that.

 

I happen to be very supportive of the goal of gender equality and have been closely involved in different ways with strongly committed feminists.

Saying that it's sexist of the people who have strongly supported a particular politician (Warren) to criticize him/her because of a particular political decision by that person makes all discussion incredibly shallow and one dimensional.


So don't give me that condescending shit. You only hurt what you claim to want to advance by making everything about sexism and expecting people to walk on eggshells all the time.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #68)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:41 PM

69. Those poor folks walking on eggshells all the time.

 

My heart bleeds for them.



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Response to JTFrog (Reply #69)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:44 PM

71. It;'s not about those poor folks...It's about whether you....

 

actually want to accomplish what you claim you want to accomplish.

But go ahead. You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #71)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:24 PM

89. "You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms."

 

I would say that the dismissal of issues related to sexism (and racism) by Bernie as "not important" was probably one of the worst missteps of his campaign. It's unfortunate that many of his supporters echoed those sentiments here on DU regularly. And this argument of "ringing false alarms" you are using here is too close to some other arguments I've seen here over the years about false accusations for my comfort.

Trying to deny that some Democrats have indeed revealed their sexism this election season would be ludicrous. There could not be more cut and dry examples. Those who excused Kerry for his war vote and voted for him, but will never ever excuse Clinton and could never vote for her because she voted for the iwr. Those that claimed they would support Warren if she were running, instantly shifting gears when it became apparent she might actually be on the ticket.

All while touting their superior progressiveness and higher morality.




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Response to JTFrog (Reply #89)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:55 PM

93. A discussion of an issue requires actual give and take

 

I am all for honest discussion of what is real sexism, imagined sexism and subconscious sexism in a larger sense.

But that is not the same as excessively using claims of sexism as a political tool to marginalize or otherwise discredit an opposing candidate and his supporters who share a similar agenda. (I am not referring to the neanderthal behavior and attitudes of people like Trump.)

I also believe that any such discussions -- within or without the context of politics -- should be an honest give and take, with acknowledgement of nuance, and recognition that no one is the sole repository of what is and is not the official definition of actual sexism (in the agree to disagree category).


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Response to Armstead (Reply #93)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:47 PM

120. Honest give and take? Like you doubling down about Clinton knowing her place was in the senate...

 

And if she started there you'd like her? I don't think anyone defended that crsp except for you. Sounds like you're still a little pissed about it, too.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #120)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:11 AM

122. I stand by that

 

Has nothing to do with her gender. I used a word I should not have, but I meant what I said.

But if you want to make it so....it is so in your mind. That's up to you.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #122)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:39 AM

124. No one bought it. And you've posted a load of sexist twaddle since, claiming it was okay because you

 

feel spiteful. As if that makes it any less sexist. It does not.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:05 PM

97. You make a really good point!

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Response to Armstead (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:06 PM

86. I used to like Palin before she got so bitter and angry

but I blame the left for that. Attacking with such angry sexist ugliness that they would not let go of even years later... who the hell wouldn't be bitter? I liked that she told the MSM to go f*ck itself. I thought she was funny and would have been fun to have as a next door neighbor.
The left just couldn't let it go, so many sexist jokes. One person I am related to (who still supports Bernie BTW) still claims it was our duty to attack her with sexist jokes and memes to keep her out of the white house.
So no, I would not want her to be President, but I do like her. As for Carly, she is just one mean nasty piece of work.

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Response to Florencenj2point0 (Reply #86)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:08 PM

87. I agree. She was especially lovable when she referred to Obama "hanging out with terrorists"

 

in the 2008 campaign.

But I guess I only find that offensive because a woman said it

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:23 PM

49. So what was the hate spewed

at Bernie Sanders by Clinton supporters? Anti-semitism?

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Response to choie (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:26 PM

51. People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort

 

into his religion.

I know there were Sanders supporters that tried to create him as part of the oppressed group to be on the same level as a first woman president, but it never really caught hold. Are you bringing that to the table now?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:30 PM

55. It's as valid as the claim that Bernie supporters

Are sexist.. You are so blind with allegiance to Clinton that you can't see straight.

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Response to choie (Reply #55)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:32 PM

58. No it is not. I explained why.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

83. What the hell. 'just as he does not put a lot of time and effort into his religion'

Disgusting.

And implying Sanders doesn't care one way or another about his religion....sheesh! You're implying Sanders is a bad jew!

Disgusting.

seabeyond
51. People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort

into his religion.

I know there were Sanders supporters that tried to create him as part of the oppressed group to be on the same level as a first woman president, but it never really caught hold. Are you bringing that to the table now?

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #83)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:29 PM

98. Saying Sanders is a "bad" Jew? Really? Give it a rest. I can't even think in those terms.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #98)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:32 PM

99. Given your post it is evident you do.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #99)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:36 PM

100. No. Something you made up for argument sake. Damn aren't you tired of having to make shit up

 

in order to win a fake argument? I do not get people who do this.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #100)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:44 PM

102. Not win an argument, call out antisemitism when I see it.

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Response to choie (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:03 AM

128. Some of it was. One vocal

 

Hillary supporter comes to mind.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:18 AM

6. Really?

Yes indeed, here is the link to his face-book page: https://www.facebook.com/jeffmerkley/?fref=ts

and here is hers: https://www.facebook.com/senatorelizabethwarren/?fref=ts
Here is an example of what one woman said to Liz:

Your cheese has slid off your cracker Hitlery is terrible and you know it I use to love you but not anymore I thought your were different but you are backing a criminal and I can not continue to like you. I do not associate with folks that associate with criminals. My husband said you were part of the cabal and I defended you , he was right your just as much involved in the illusion of freedom as Hitlery is.

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Response to Florencenj2point0 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:25 AM

9. Sounds like a Trumpster to me.

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Response to Florencenj2point0 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:03 PM

27. That's a bad comment but it undermines the OP's claim

 

Here is an example of what one woman said to Liz:

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Response to Armstead (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:02 PM

96. Why?

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:23 AM

8. Eh? Did you read what Hillary Clinton supporters said about Nina Turner

on this very website?

Damn double standards.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:33 PM

116. Find one Hillary supporter who posted vile shit on her Facebook page?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:05 AM

129. I did.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:52 AM

20. Those darn progressives!

 

We should banish them from our party! Oh, wait. We already did that. Never mind.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

42. No freeper ever hated liberals more than our Sensible Pragmatic Centrists™

around here. Honestly, the way some of them spend all their time driving wedges between Democrats, it's almost enough to make me wonder if they have our best interests at heart, like maybe they have some reason for being here other than getting Democrats elected.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:01 PM

26. "I oppose President Clinton's agreement with the GOP to raise the SS retirement age."

 

"Oh Yeah? You're only complaining about it because she's a woman!"

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:15 PM

34. Liberals really are the shit.

Soon, they'll want equal rights or something impossible like taxing the rich.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:16 PM

35. What ugly strain of thought? All I've seen is some mild criticism. Geesh.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

40. it's more like the reaction of jilted lovers, it's pathetic no matter how one views it nt

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

41. Merkely is an obscure senator, Warren is a media darling.

My take is that the Bernie people aren't as mad at Merkely because he is not particularly important.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:16 PM

47. This has nothing to do with SEXISM and everything to do with WALL STREET

Get real.

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Response to jillan (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:28 PM

54. Merkely just endorsed the 'Wall Steet candidate'. Where the hate for him? Why only the woman?

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:36 PM

63. Because Merkley did not base his entire career ranting against Wall Street. There are clips

of EW going after Hillary on the Senate floor because of her ties to Wall Street.

As far as Merkley - that's up for the voters to decide.

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Response to jillan (Reply #63)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:42 PM

70. Flipping against Bernie isn't as bad as being neutral. That's logical. Lol.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:48 PM

74. Because he actually put himself on the line and endorsed Bernie

 

And he's not grandstanding in his shift to Clinton.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #74)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM

77. So it is about Bernie feeling entitled to her support. That's the only way it makes sense.

 

Warren didn't use her superdelegate status to affect the race, she only endorsed when it was over, and she endorsed the winner of the country and her state.

Everything about that is exactly what Bernie wanted. There's ZERO in there to be mad about, without falling back into saying Bernie was owed her support.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #77)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:58 PM

79. You are claiming it is sexism.

 

How you view it politically is irrelevant to that claim.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #79)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:59 PM

80. Demanding her fealty isn't. But only attacking her, not others in the same position, sure is.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #80)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM

82. I just explained the difference

 

Feel free to disagree with it in terms of the two politicians involved.

But claiming it is all about sexism is 100 percent unadulterated bullshit.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #82)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:23 PM

88. It's illogical to say abandoning avowed support of Bernis isn't as bad as not supporting anyone.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #88)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:58 PM

94. You're getting off your own topic

 

You are the one who described it as sexism.

My point is simply that it is a matter of different behavior and circumstances, rather then the gender of the candidates involved.

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Response to jillan (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:47 PM

72. You're a sexist if you oppose Wall Street's corruption and excessive political influence

 

(just in case)

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Response to Armstead (Reply #72)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:06 AM

130. yep +10

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:19 PM

48. Hillary won Mass. BS supporters stated that SDs should vote with the will of the people.

Sen. Warren did just that.

BS supporters stated that the SDs should vote with the will of the primary voters in total.

Sen. Warren did just that.

Where exactly is the problem with Sen. Warren?

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:28 PM

53. The problem is hypocrisy..

She states that the game is rigged and that Wall Street is a corrupting force and that the problem is the political establishment. Then she comes out to support the candidate that represents Just that.. That's what is infuriating and, as I said hypocritical. Not to mention politically expedient. It has crap to do with sexism.

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Response to choie (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:33 PM

60. Sen. Warren chose not to support your candidate.

That is her right to do. She went with the will of her state and the Democratic primary electorate in general. She's no less committed to her causes. She's just going about it in a manner different from Bernie, who didn't have any sort of strategic plan to get what he wanted done.

OTOH, Sen. Warren created the CFPB, the government watchdog group for the financial industry. That's more than Bernie has ever done.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #60)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:36 PM

106. She's going about it in a different way

by supporting somebody who is the antithesis of the values she espouses? Right..

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Response to choie (Reply #106)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:57 PM

107. Wrong. Clinton is not and has never been what you and Sanders create her to be as Warren recognizes

 

and is unwilling to play that game.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #107)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:12 PM

108. You're wrong.

And there's years and years of corruption to prove it.

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Response to choie (Reply #108)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:33 PM

111. While Sanders is good at accusing, he comes up with nothing. Warren of integrity, and in the system,

 

doesn't seem to see it with Clinton.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #111)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:15 PM

112. Then guess what?

Warren is wrong...

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Response to choie (Reply #112)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:55 PM

113. Opinions differ.

 

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Response to choie (Reply #108)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:36 PM

118. Yea and Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others will keep you believing it.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:25 PM

50. It's stupid to attack Warren, but Merkely isn't as well known as her

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Response to yurbud (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:30 PM

56. Boxer, Louis, The Latino woman in Nevada, Dws, Warren, PP Richardson, LBGT com, women that spoke out

 

for Clinton compared to all the men that endorsed and spoke out. The hate, the craziness were exclusively directed to bigoted groups. Not the men.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #56)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:19 PM

109. Bullshit

The same disdain was shown to Barney Frank, Bill diBlasio and John Lewis. And if Kucinich came out for Clinton using as his reasons the need to stop corruption in our political system, I'm sure progressives would express disappointment with him as well.

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Response to choie (Reply #109)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:35 PM

117. Yea, I saw those vile Bernie supporter posts on John Lewis page.

Sad that a Civil Rights icon was called a low life by a sanders supporter.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:43 PM

91. Exactly

Stupid as the attacks were, people have seen Warren and Bernie as a sort of tag team on economic issues, while few people even know much about Merkely.
This is more like the outrage one would see if Kirsten Gilibrand endorsed any opponent of Claire McKaskill after they worked together on addressing rape in the military.

Seriously, crying sexism at every turn diminishes the real experiences and expression that happen daily. If Obama had attributed every single unfavorable event or criticism to racism during his campaign, he would never have been elected.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:47 PM

73. The "New DU:"

Liberals are racist and sexist. Got it.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #73)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:53 PM

76. No liberals are too concervative, or too liberal or both...all that matters is

 

What Would Clinton say?

The New Democratic Party. If it is at all contrary to Clinton, it's wrong. No matter whether it's liberal, conservative, moderate or anything.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #76)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:02 PM

84. That's truth. nt

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:59 PM

81. Who is this Rorschach guy, and why did he paint so many pictures of sexism against Hillary? n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #81)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:03 PM

85. Rorschach was a sexist.....or something I guess

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:01 PM

95. I don't think it is sexism...

... Warren is a very high profile progressive, which gives all her actions a higher profile. However, she is also a progressive champion and shouldn't catch any flack for supporting Clinton. The democratic party is lucky to have her.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:09 PM

104. I never knew who Merkeley was, had no particular hopes re- his endorsement.

But I and I think many more in the U.S. DID know who Warren was; her endorsement will have/would have had real weight and value; and she's been such an eloquent and persuasive speaker re- her concerns re- economic issues, which have clearly been much closer to Bernie's long-standing concerns than to Hillary's (not that I'm sure what the latter are), that we couldn't help but hope that Warren would recognize a Bernie as a natural ally and lend him her support.

I and many other Bernie-ites have been active feminists and proponents of equity with respect to race, gender, and other so-called classifications since the 60's. But if some DU'er's want to believe that all Bernie-ites are sexists, racists, etc., I can't stop them.

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Response to snot (Reply #104)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:19 PM

105. The attacks are sexist. The people I'm not judging.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #105)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:20 PM

110. Uh huh.

Hate the sin and not the sinner, where have I heard that before

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:53 AM

125. Thank you for posting. More light needs to shine on this.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:38 AM

126. Bunk

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:41 AM

127. Where's the "sexism" part?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:59 AM

131. It's outlined in the first post.

 

Warren endorses Clinton only after the race is over, and she's getting viciously attacked.

Merkely, who actually endorsed Sanders, flips to Clinton to be on the winning side, and no one here says a word.

It makes no sense whatsoever to hold someone who was neutral more in contempt than someone who just abandoned your candidate. Sexism comes to mind.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #131)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:07 AM

132. So, where's the "sexism" part?

 

Do you really think that people are angry with Warren's support of Hillary is due to "sexism" and neutral about Merkley's support because he's a man? Or, could it be, that Warren is a lot better known than Merkley?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #132)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:25 AM

133. The sexism is...

 

... int he fact that they're more angry at the woman who 1) did nothing 'against' Bernie, and 2) who followed Bernie's own wishes for superdelegates, than they are with an actual Bernie endorser who is jumping ship so he can be on the winning side.

Only one of these two people did abandoned Bernie, and it wasn't Warren. Yet she is the only one getting criticized....

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #133)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:41 AM

134. Where's the sexism?

 

From what I see, the people are angry with both because they support Hillary instead of the more progressive (leftist) Sanders not because of gender. Are they angry with with Warren because she now supports Hillary or are they angry because she's a woman? Are they less angry with Merkely because he's a man?

I have yet to see anywhere, including DU, any Bernie supporters who criticize Hillary because she's woman. Nor, have seen any Bernie supporters "attack" Warren because she's a woman. Both are "attacked" because of their policies. In this case Warren's (and Merkely's) decision to support Hillary instead of Bernie.

It's as ridiculous as anyone accusing Hillary supporters of being anti-Semitic because he's a Jew.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #134)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:08 AM

137. But where are the myriad attacks on Merkely?

 

I don't see them anywhere here on DU. But you can't open a topic mentioning Warren without someone calling her a sellout or a traitor. If there was anything resembling an even distribution of anger, I wouldn't have brought the topic up. But it's unreasonable that only the woman, who did far less to upset them, gets inundated with negativity and attacks.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #137)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:16 AM

138. Do you really think that the Sanders supporters here are "attacking" her because she's a woman?

 

The operative words are "because she's a woman". She's being criticized because of her endorsement of Hillary. I've seen a lot of "attacks" on Susan Sarandon by Hillary supporters. Are they because she's a woman? Or, is it because she doesn't support Hillary?

OTOH, I've seen plenty of attacks on Bernie because he's an Old White Male. Sexist? Racist? Ageist?

You can't have it both ways.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #138)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:28 AM

139. Not consciously, no.

 

But I'm wondering what else explains why she is the focus of so many attacks, while others who did not endorse Bernie, or who have now done worse and actively flipped against him, don't receive the same treatment. The outrage is not uniformly spread among those who didn't support Bernie. It seems to be uniquely pointed at Warren.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #139)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:13 PM

140. I think it's because she has become an icon of progressivism.

 

Who, in the eyes of some, is a betrayal. I think it's because she is more well known than Merkely and others.. I don't think her gender has anything to do with it. And, I think that is also true for those of us don't support/won't vote for Hillary. It's not because she's a woman, it's because of her politics.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #133)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:24 AM

145. Exactly!! nt

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:59 AM

136. Do you have any idea how much these kneejerk, baseless cries of sexism are going to hurt Hillary's

 

campaign against Trump?

The word 'sexism' will be a punchline by the time it's over. These casual accusations only discredit legitimate complaints of sexism and make Hillary and her fans look like oversensitive, dishonest, opportunistic crybabies. This isn't smart.

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Response to Marr (Reply #136)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:17 PM

141. Spot on!

 

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Response to Marr (Reply #136)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:00 PM

144. +1

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:43 PM

142. The sexism has been evident all the primary season long, and I hate it, but I hate spelling errors

...as well.

Please spell Jeff Merkley's name M-E-R-K-L-E-Y.

[url]https://www.merkley.senate.gov/[/url]

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:00 PM

143. Give me a break...

 

the same people who were voting for Bernie Sanders were signing petitions to get Elizabeth Warren to run. We would have given her just as many votes as Bernie Sanders got. But she decided she would get more accomplished in congress and didn't run. I agree that we shouldn't bash her for endorsing Hillary after she got to 2026. That is typically the first milestone to become the nominee, usually the point when other candidates drop out. No one should give anybody a hard time for choosing to support the party to make sure Donald Trump doesn't get elected. However, If Elizabeth Warren wants to save any credibility after endorsing the exact type of candidate she has railed against throughout her time in congress, she needs to make it clear that she is only endorsing Hillary to make sure Trump isn't elected and that she will be pushing for Bernies platform.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:47 PM

146. A FB feed can be used to prove anything one wants about humanity.

They're handy that way.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:06 AM

147. Kick

 

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