2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat role does anti-semitism play among those opposing Bernie Sanders?
As we reach, sadly from my point of view, the post-mortem stage of the Democratic primary, some posters at DU are discussing whether opposition to Hillary stems from misogyny and racism here. It could be possible among some voters, although her disastrous hawkishness on Iraq and Syria and Honduras, her embrace and unembrace and possible future embrace of the TPP, her proselytizing for fracking, her affection for war criminal Henry Kissinger, and a weariness of the endless distractions that surround the generally conservative Clinton machine, just to list a few reasons, might be better explanations for the opposition to her candidacy to be found among so many left of center sections of the electorate.
One wonders if Bernie, too, has suffered a loss of support not as a result of of his progressive credentials but as a result of one of the age-old hatreds that have plagued humankind. Whether we like it or not, anti-semitism is out there and Bernie is Jewish. It may not be something one likes to acknowledge, but maybe those who recommended that other thread are right and it's better to bring these sorts of issues into the open where scrutiny and discussion can do their job of eroding malign influences in areas where they exist.
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/6154_12.html#.V11_SvkrLIV
ADL Poll Finds Anti-Semitic Attitudes on Rise in America
New York, NY, November 3, 2011
A nationwide survey of the American people released today by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) found that anti-Semitic attitudes have risen slightly in America, demonstrating once again that "anti-Semitic beliefs continue to hold a vice grip" on a small but not insubstantial segment of America.
The ADL survey (.pdf) found that 15 percent of Americans nearly 35 million adults hold deeply anti-Semitic views, an increase of 3 percent from a similar poll conducted in 2009, and matching the levels of anti-Semitic propensities recorded in the U.S. in 2005 and 2007. Over the last decade, the highest level of anti-Semitic attitudes was reported in 2002, when an ADL poll found 17 percent of Americans harbored anti-Jewish attitudes.
The 2011 Survey of American Attitudes Toward Jews in America, a national telephone survey of 1,754 adults, was conducted October 13-23 by Marttila Strategies of Washington, D.C. and Boston. The margin of error is +/-2.8 percent.
"Th e fact that anti-Semitic attitudes have increased significantly over the past two years is troubling and raises questions about the impact of broader trends in America financial insecurity, social uncertainty, the decline in civility and the growth of polarization on attitudes toward Jews," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "It is disturbing that with all of the strides we have made in becoming a more tolerant society, anti-Semitic beliefs continue to hold a vicegrip on a small but not insubstantial segment of the American public."
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apcalc
(4,461 posts)I gave NO thought to religion ( or not) determining who to support. Many Hillary supporters are Jewish as well.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...that did not stop posters here from accusing them of sexism. I know, as I am one of those female Bernie supporters. When I pointed out that I was hardly a BernieBro, being a woman in her late 60s -- I was told that my "Bro-ness" had nothing to do with my gender or my age.
Anyway: the question is not about you or about anyone individually; the question is whether anti-Semitism played a role in not supporting Bernie for some voters. Based on what I have seen here at DU, my answer is a resounding YES, it did play a role.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in Europe and other areas, and we do see signs here. I suspect, though, that Bernie's popularity among many of the far left has probably retarded its resurgence here in America. He's not a religious Jew and supports the rights of Palestinians to exist, and no doubt that has helped in holding back attacks. So my suspicion is very little.
America's far right is especially parched, fertile ground. For too long Christian Zionism has encouraged them to embrace Jews because the Jews are supposedly going to be wiped out fighting Islam for the Christians, who will then sweep in and retake the Holy Lands for the Christianity. They've been waiting too long for that happy new holocaust, though, and this has been hard on the poor things, bless their hearts as we say here in the Deep South, so I for one am expecting a major backlash. But even though some crossed over to vote for him as a hostile maneuver against our expected nominee, how many of them would have voted for him in November? Virtually none, so no real harm there either.
Fwiw, I do believe the antisemitism absent from the Democratic primary would have played a big role in the GE, both as a tool used to sway as many conservative indies away from the Democratic alternative as possible and of course as acting out by millions of strong social/religious conservatives, who'd leap eagerly to attack this elderly commie Jew out to destroy America because that's how they are and what they do.
still_one
(91,958 posts)I also happen to be one of those Jews who support Hillary
jillan
(39,451 posts)In fact my entire family support Bernie. As did my my friends.
still_one
(91,958 posts)vote for Bernie was not accurate. Based on your response I assume your vote for Bernie was not because he was Jewish.
The majority who supported Sanders or Clinton was not because a candidate was Jewish or not
A woman or man may support one candidate over another candidate because they perceive that candidate more equipped to protect women's rights.
A woman or man supports one candidate over another candidate because of issues they consider important, and that one candidate is better equipped to deal with them
There is a reason groups like the KKK are supporting Trump, and not Democrats
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I am Jewish and Sanders religion did not help him in my Temple or with my kids.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)You have 4 more days for this crap.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Autumn
(44,757 posts)rather shocking to see it among "liberals".
JudyM
(29,122 posts)For all the DUers who said it played no role in their choice of Hillary, I am not contesting that, I don't know you personally. I must say that some here who slam Israel with relish have posted things that are inherently anti-Semitic, whether they or others see it or not. Just as a person doesn't have to wear a hood to be racist, anti-semitism can appear to pass. But to believe it does not exist in this country, and had no impact, is to have your eyes closed.
Autumn
(44,757 posts)JudyM
(29,122 posts)"justification."
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)leadership that is there now. They still have their hearts with Israel though....
JudyM
(29,122 posts)Israel's policies with anti-semistism, of course. It is only when the comments smack of anti-semitism that they are anti-semitic.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)I have discussions about Sanders campaign but at Temple and with other Jews. Many Jews opposed Sanders because he was a bad candidate who would not have a chance in a general election contest.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)and I consider that remarkable.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)In condemn it unequivocally if so.
MattP
(3,304 posts)And she's Christian does that mean this is a stupid fucking subject
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Bernie is married to a woman so I'll expect that Hillary supporters will take back all their claims of sexism. That's how stupid your argument is.
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)It took me ten seconds to find this article which may explain why Sanders did not do well with the Jewish vote https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/08/bernie-sanders-is-jewish-why-isnt-that-convincing-jews-to-vote-for-him/
The people I know who are supporting Sanders dont seem to be doing it because hes Jewish. Then there are many people I know who are supporting Hillary Clinton, even though theyre proud that Sanders is Jewish, Berg said. Thats unusual....
All the Jews over 40 are with Hillary Clinton. They just are. We just are, Rabinowitz said. He was with Clinton before she even declared she was in the race, as a co-founder of a group called Jewish Americans Ready for Hillary.
Among young Jews, Sanders has a strong following just as he has drawn devoted supporters among young Democrats of all religions. However, many of those young Americans less reliably come out to the polls.
The article discusses Lieberman and I was on the board of my Temple when Lieberman was announced as Gore's VP and there was a great deal excitement in the Temple family about Lieberman. There were more than one set of prayers directed by the Temple community in favor the 2000 ticket but I did not see anything at all for Sanders. I do remember people complaining when Sanders spoke to Liberty University on a High Holy day (there was some real complaints about this on a number of different levels).
Again, as a Jew, I do not think that anti-semitism played a role in Sanders lack of support. At the time, there was some anti-semetism directed at Lieberman in the 2000 campaign and using hindsight, Lieberman was a poor choice by Gore.
QC
(26,371 posts)but we're not supposed to talk about that.
I did happen to notice, though, that all the usual anti-Semitic tropes got a real workout here--he's just in it for the money, he's a grifter, he's lecherous, he doesn't share our American values, etc.
I'm sure that is all purely coincidental, though.
Behind the Aegis
(53,831 posts)The most obvious anti-Semitic meme, IMO, was the red-bating. That was so fucking 1950's I had to keep checking my calendar to make sure I hadn't time-travelled.
We can discuss all kinds of bigotries here, except anti-Semitism. It is treated as if the very mention is some sort of "reverse racism" charge and is meant to be mocked, ridiculed, and outright dismissed.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Not a soul has mentioned his religion in any fashion other than in a positive or complimentary light.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)They are *everywhere*. To question them... anywhere, anytime.... is akin to a devout Roman Catholic questioning the virgin birth.
Anti-Semitism..... despite the party's long, difficult and well-established history of it.... particularly with the "Hymietown" variety.... is OTOH , taboo.
Behind the Aegis
(53,831 posts)Scores of threads on white and male privileges, but discussing the other "privileges" that exist, well, that is just 'impolite.' Dicussing anti-Semitism is met with dismissal, claims of "other minorities have far more pressing concerns", to outright 'splainin' by non-Jews to Jewish posters what is and isn't anti-Semitism.
JudyM
(29,122 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)here and afaik could not be
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)In particular, an unhinged DUer posted a particularly nasty anti-Semitic rant on a HRCsupporters website. It was allowed to stand.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)I'd say that it plays little to no role at all in opposition to him.
jillan
(39,451 posts)comments for saying he dismisses it.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Sanders is not prominent in the Jewish community, nor is is much of a friend to Israel...doubly so when he names the likes of James Zogby and Cornell West to his convention team, two individuals well-known to the Anti-Defamation League.
jillan
(39,451 posts)As far as Zogby and West - the horror of bringing people with differing viewpoints together.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Zogby's and West's support for BDS is not a "different viewpoint", it is anti-Zionism and completely out-of-step with the American electorate.
3 days.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)On Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:58 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
"crocodile tears" referred to you, not Bernie. Get a grip with the faux outrage here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2179123
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This truly is silly season around here sometimes.
Response to Tarc (Reply #41)
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Racists don't care if a person self hates.
I also disagree with your assessment of Bernie.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Sanders chooses to side more with the Palestinians and regularly criticizes Israel when they defend themselves from terrorist actions.
He's picked his side.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)You are speaking of sides and who's side would that be?
You are insinuating that Bernie by siding with the other side some how nullifies their opposition to him being Jewish. I think differently.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)It should not be an issue but some people have brought it up.
I am not sure what you mean by "downplays".
Does Clinton "downplay" being a Methodist because she doesn't talk about it in every speech?
Tarc
(10,472 posts)I won't point out how ill-informed the Methodist analogy is. Oh wait, maybe I just did.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Closely associating with James Zogby and Cornell West, both well-known for their support of the virulently anti-Zionist "BDS" (boycott, divestment, sanctions).
These stances are well out-of-touch with the American electorate, not to mention the Jewish American community.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)He has supported Palestinian rights.
Many Jews support Palestinian rights.
The man who would deny them rights, Benjamin Netanyahu, supported Romney in 2012.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)against the state of Israel to advance their ideological causes.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)The best indication of Americans' attitude toward Israel is found in the response to the most consistently asked question about the Middle East: In the Middle East situation, are your sympathies more with Israel or with the Arab nations? The organization that has conducted the most surveys is Gallup. In the most recent poll, reported by Gallup in February 2016, 62% sympathized with Israel, just below 2013's all-time high of 64%.
I know, facts are pesky things when someone gets his dander up about America's historic ties with Israel, but, what can ya do?
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)One can "support Israel" and be against racist policy at the same time.
"I support Israel" does not suddenly mean I support stuff like this, for example:
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/an-inconveivable-crime.premium-1.484110
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and didn't just magically go away for Bernie Sanders.
The question is not whether some people will not vote for a Jew, but "how many?"
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)The fact that he isn't a Democrat, dissed the shit out of Dems and the party (instead of focusing on republicans) and the fact that he was not truthful about the costs of his proposals is why I opposed him. Couldn't care less about his heritage.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Which ones are you thinking of?
jillan
(39,451 posts)He's only spoken about it 100s of times.
Or the ones that say Bernie dismisses his Jewish faith, knowing that his father's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. And if they didn't know that after 1 year, then they are willfully ignorant.
Absolutely shameful!
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)My MIL had no use for the Jewish faith, and was highly critical about religion in general. She still cherished and participated in many elements of the culture. And she had family wiped out in the Holocaust (and in earlier Russian pogroms) that she never forgot or dismissed.
It's not necessarily a contradiction.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)that's considered antisemitic?? I only know because it has come up on DU. I've NEVER heard him mention his Jewish heritage. Of course, I've never listened to a full speech from him.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)His religion is prominent. You've outed yourself as being blindly partisan. SMH
jillan
(39,451 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)nor is he ever attacked for it. On the other hand, attacks on minorities and women are rampant on the pro-Bernie side. The visible animosity isn't even comparable.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)However the "blacks voting against their best interest" and "you're only voting for her because she's a woman" type statements are very common. Bernie's Jewishness is rarely ever brought into the conversation.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)How, I have no clue.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Bringing up the trip to Burlington's Russian sister city as Bernies commie "honeymoon" in the Soviet Union, etc etc.
Jewish DUers like Behind the Aegis and Nadinbrezinski have pointed out many anti-semitic tropes but also lament the fact that there's been so many they've basically given up trying to educate people especially since alerting on even the most vicious shit never gets a hide. DUers in a certain camp don't care and in fact applaud a poster with a particularly vile streak of anti-semitism.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)ancianita
(35,812 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,831 posts)Dual loyalty to Israel...that morphed into...self-loathing Jew who hates Israel;
Lived on a communist kibbutz;
Honeymooned in Russia;
Didn't keep High Holy days to the standard of other "good" Jews;
Failed to mention his Jewishness on command;
Played the "Holocaust card" (yes, that was written here at least twice);
It is funny how many who didn't "see it" or "didn't know he was a Jew", had no fucking problem identifying sexism directed at Clinton.
QC
(26,371 posts)more about how to be a true American.
Hint...hint...wink...wink.
swhisper1
(851 posts)his religion clearly does not form his policies and it is his policies that is the revolution
jillan
(39,451 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...phrasing of the question. "Opposing" does not describe me: a supporter of both who moved toward Hillary as she became the favorite. For people who had "opposing" as their main motivation, the answer may be different. I do believe many non-Democrats who seemed okay with Bernie would have attacked him from an anti-Semitic vantage point.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)I think it was a Baptist church, but I can't be certain. In any case, it seemed to matter a whole lot to him that Bernie was Jewish and not in a good way.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Did the question of support for Israel have any affect on his support among Jews? I did not see a lot of our elected officials come out and support him. I was shocked when Al Franken supported Hillary.
JI7
(89,174 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)with Norm Coleman with whom he was engaged in a bitter vote recount praising Israel at the very same time as we were hearing reports of Israel using White Phosphorus in civilian areas in Gaza
There is supporting Israels existence and there's supporting Israels actions, which IMO are 2 very different things
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To a bit larger yet still very small group a small roll.
To an overwhelming majority no role at all.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)JI7
(89,174 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,831 posts)I just adore you. Unlike me, you say so much with so little. The fact we have so many "experts" on anti-Semitism who "never" saw any here (or elsewhere), explains why they are experts with quotes around the word.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Hillary won among very religious Christians to be sure.
qdouble
(891 posts)Why do you think protecting Israel is a priority for the Christian right?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I've got enough Jew hating but Israel loving Christians in my own family to be thoroughly familiar with the dynamic.
qdouble
(891 posts)as God's chosen people. I'm not denying anti-semitism exist, but it certainly isn't a strong factor in why Bernie wasn't chosen.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I think it was Jesse Jackson who used that phrase.
This primary has been extremely educational, some things I have suspected for years got confirmed to me.
Autumn
(44,757 posts)in an interview to a reporter. I thought it was an aberration but this primary has been very revealing.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Those evangelicals support Israel for their own selfish reasons. Israel has to be in Jewish hands for their ridiculous end times fantasy to come about. That's the ONLY reason they support Israel. They'll also be the first ones to throw us into the fiery pits of hell (which Jews don't happen to believe in, ironically enough) when we don't accept Jesus as our savior. They have zero love for actual Jewish people.
Turin_C3PO
(13,650 posts)anti-Semitism is still fairly wide spread in our country. As for here at DU, I didnt see huge amounts, but it was definitely present. Some typical stereotypes were posted a number of times.
Retrograde
(10,070 posts)IOW, very little to none. Most reasonable voters (which I hope includes the vast majority of DU) can support or not support candidates based on their proposed policies and issues.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)....are you acknowledging ( "asserting", if you prefer) that opposition to CLINTON (i.e. here; on DU) was, and *IS* NOT based primarily (or to any significant degree) on the fact that Clinton is a woman?
>>>>"Most reasonable voters (which I hope includes the vast majority of DU) can support or not support candidates based on their proposed policies and issues.">>>>>
Retrograde
(10,070 posts)if you're asking whether I think the opposition to Clinton is because she is a woman, I think that there are many reasons why people chose not to vote for her. Some of the ones I've heard are "entitled", "forced on us by DNC", "too hawkish", "too tied to Wall Street and big banks", "history of bad decisions while at State", "out of touch with the 99%", "not following State Dept. protocols with email". I suspect there are some who oppose her because she's a woman (and I hope those are all in the Trump camp), but the people in their 40s and up I know who voted against Clinton (yes, there are quite a few) overall preferred Sanders' stance on the economy and other issues.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)In fact, he won some areas that Obama performed extremely poor in. It's clear why he lost and it's not because he is Jewish.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)who has annoyed me for years with his holier than thou (pure) opinions and critiques. He says a lot of the right things, but he is a little too one dimensional for me.
I'm sure he faced some antisemitism from fringe folks and nazi types, but not most Americans. If anything, Sanders benefited from bigotry towards women.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Thanks for illustrating the point.
>>>If anything, Sanders benefited from bigotry towards women.>>>
I love ya'. Seriously. LOL.
Let's have more like you.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Really guys? The first Jewish man to have a serious shot at heading a major party ticket, and you think antisemitism was nowhere in the field?
Tell me another one.
qdouble
(891 posts)Certainly you can find some people who are against any demographic. That doesn't mean it's prevalent.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Do you really think that there has been no antisemitism towards the first Jewish guy to have a shot at a major party ticket?
Next you'll tell me Clinton faced no sexism and Obama faced no racism.
qdouble
(891 posts)muslims... anti-semitism isn't nearly as rampant as sexism and anti-black racism.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I know I am best at spotting bigotry aimed at me, it's just more noticeable to me for some inexplicable reason.
qdouble
(891 posts)happen, but it's not nearly as prevalent as stuff against blacks and women.
jillan
(39,451 posts)history - totally ignoring the fact that Bernie would be our first Jewish president.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And that's what counts.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)or listened to even one iota of any of his speeches.
Hint: his Jewish heritage is integral to who he is and its a centerpiece of his campaign.
Profess ignorance = outed as a LIV.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Since anti-semitism like sexism and racism is viewed differently from one person to another.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It doesn't say that opposition to Hillary is based on racism and misogyny. It says that some people's inability to accept the results of the primary is based on racism and misogyny.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...and I mean LOTS of it. Surprising too, coming from this site. I've been here since January of 2004 and I've never seen anything like it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is frightening to see some of the social media stuff posted in support of him.
Blatant anti-Jewish stuff left and right.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)....although I worry about the anti-Zionists on the left-left.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It has no value and is...most often..over reach logic
Hillary is a lord upon high...and Bernie isnt
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Period.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)(Of which I am one--a very secular one, like Bernie, if that matters at all). Although no exit polls did a breakdown of voters by religion, several polls suggest that Jewish voters went largely for Clinton:
The best evidence so far comes from two recent polls of New York voters.
The Sienna College Poll, which has a long track record of surveying New York voters, found Clinton leading Sanders among Jewish voters 60%-38%. That's almost as large as her lead among black voters, the poll found. Overall, she led 52%-42%, the poll found.
African Americans make up about 20% of the expected turnout for the Democratic primary, the poll projected. Jews make up just over 10%.
The NBC/Wall St. Journal/Marist poll found roughly the same breakdown, Clinton leading among Jews 65%-32%, part of an overall lead of 57%-40%. That poll pegged Jewish voters as likely to make up 16% of the electorate for the primary.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-live-updates-democr-sanders-fares-poorly-against-clinton-with-fellow-j-1460644902-htmlstory.html
Did that pan out in the actual primary? It would seem so:
While the exit polls did not provide any breakdown of the Jewish vote, we can make some assumptions by looking at how the vote went in neighborhoods with large numbers of Jews.
In Borough Park, Brooklyn, one of the most Jewish precincts in the country, Hillary Clintons margin of victory, 61.3 percent to Bernie Sanders 38.7 percent, was slightly narrower than her citywide victory of 63.4-36.6 percent. Borough Park had 3,930 Democratic votes cast.
In the heavily Chabad-Lubavitch Brooklyn neighborhood of Crown Heights South, Clinton won 63.8 percent of the vote to Sanders 36.2 percent, out of 5,374 total Democratic voters. In the heavily Satmar neighborhood of Williamsburg, Brooklyn, Clinton beat Sanders 61-39 percent out of 1,077 Democratic votes.
Clinton did much better on Manhattans Upper East Side and Upper West Side, where plenty of Jews live and where she took about 80 percent and 71 percent of the vote, respectively. But its hard to surmise anything about the Jewish vote in those neighborhoods because the Jews are mixed in with non-Jews.
http://www.jta.org/2016/04/20/news-opinion/united-states/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-how-jews-voted-in-new-york
There must be a lot of self-hating, anti-semitic Jews, both according to these statistics and the anecdotal evidence people have been giving in this thread. Most of us who are Jewish would testify that the majority of Jews in their family or social circles supported Hillary, just as the rest of American Democrats did. (Let's remember that Jews, like African-Americans, are among the most dedicated Democrats, and I think that had more to do with anything than Bernie's religion.) There are of course exceptions, as with the rest of the voting populace. For instance, my (Jewish) niece, a hip young millennial who happens to live in Crown Heights, probably voted for Bernie (although I never asked her), much like the rest of the population.
I think anti-Semitism had close to absolutely zip affect on this primary race.
George II
(67,782 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Particularly early, in the south.