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[itsrobert]

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[CrowCityDem]

1. Bernie's votes on guns were a moral failing. I don't know how else to say it.

[Chasstev365]

2. Is this really the time to post this story?

Sorry, but right now Hillary verses Bernie on guns seems so disrespectfull to the families of the 50 who were murdered.

[itsrobert]

6. You sound like the NRA and gun lobby

"Now is not the time..."

[Chasstev365]

10. Trying to score cheap political points is alot more offensive

How dare you compare me to the NRA! VERY Republican of you!

[itsrobert]

13. The truth is not offensive

Sorry you feel the truth is not appropriate at this time.

[Chasstev365]

14. Wow; YOU have a monopoly on the truth?

[itsrobert]

16. Nope, but you seem to be against it at this time.

Just like the NRA.

[Chasstev365]

20. The post wasn't about gun control, which I FULLY support!

YOU were trying to link Bernie Sanders to the FL tragedy to score cheap political points for Hillary and any reasonable reader knows this. That is why I said very Republican of you. What I should have said was very Fox News like of you.

If my loved one had just been killed I would not being debating Clinton and Sanders gun records. Would you?

[workinclasszero]

17. 50 people were just gunned down like dogs in a nightclub

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I'd say its a perfect time to talk about the gun insanity that has America in its deadly grasp.

And Bernie Sanders had a hand in making that possible.

The NRA and republicans are always the ones to say "this isn't the right time" after the latest slaughter of the innocents.

[Demsrule86]

67. Yes...this guy got a gun legally...I do not believe there is a constitutional right

Yes again, this is the right time. And with a shift in the court when Hillary gets elected...we might have a chance to stop senseless murder. How does a guy who was accused of domestic abuse and questioned by the FBI for terroristic statements get a gun...or two or three or four?

[HassleCat]

29. Yes, they were.

Fortunately, they represent the only real lapse in his record. He does not have much 'splainin to do.

[m-lekktor]

3. posting an article from January to take advantage of the current news for a primary partisan attack

is the utmost in vile tackiness.

[brentspeak]

4. Huff Post: Hillary Clinton Turned a Stable, Developed Nation Into an ISIS Safe Haven.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/hillary-clinton-turned-nation-into-isis-safe-haven_b_9571956.html

Are you sure you want to continue with the Bernie bashing?

[itsrobert]

5. What does "Isis Safe Haven"

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have to do with guns in America?

Please keep to the issue and not go off on a tangent that does not relate.

Plus,


Bio:
Riley Waggaman is "America's most trusted cub reporter," according to Vanity Fair. He is not a reporter and he does not live in America. He is Deputy Editor of Russia Insider.

Expert in:
absolutely nothing.

http://russia-insider.com/en/users/riley-waggaman

[brentspeak]

8. You can quit playing dumb

Your intention to post the article in question was to link Bernie to the Orlando massacre.

However, now that it's been established that the massacre was almost certainly ISIS-inspired, Hillary's own deep culpability on the rise of ISIS (inadvertent culpability, I should say, though don't take that as me defending her in any way) is absolutely pertinent to the issue.

[itsrobert]

9. Please stick to the issues

The release of reliability for gun manufactures has nothing to do with ISIS or Hillary Clinton.

[brentspeak]

11. "The release of reliability for gun manufactures have nothing..."

In addition to my earlier request, please consider learning the basics of proper grammar, syntax, and spelling before posting on these boards.

[itsrobert]

21. That was rude.

I have no problem with anyone pointing out poor grammar. However, the way you did it was rude.

Thank you.

[99Forever]

23. Trying and failing to link Senator Sanders to the Orlando massacre was far more rude.

You sir, have no scruples or integrity.

[itsrobert]

24. You are making the link in your mind

What does that say?

[99Forever]

25. Obvious is obvious.

You fool no one.

[itsrobert]

27. And Bernie is fooling a great many

n/t

[99Forever]

36. Kewl.

The Peewee Herman gambit.

Impressive set of debating skills you've got there, Bob.

[senz]

55. I admire you guys for being calm about this filth.

I am so disgusted by them. It's unbelievable.

But so much in this primary has been disgusting and unbelievable.

[WhiteTara]

18. Here's your guy

http://russia-insider.com/en/users/riley-waggaman

Quote:

Expert in:
absolutely nothing.

Bio:
Riley Waggaman is "America's most trusted cub reporter," according to Vanity Fair. He is not a reporter and he does not live in America. He is Deputy Editor of Russia Insider.

[itsrobert]

22. +1

Thanks for exposing their propaganda.

[brentspeak]

35. Pratfall on your part

Reading your post and the subsequent "yeah, ditto!" congratulatory posts is like watching the Keystone Kops bump into each others' stomachs.

That is Waggaman's own facetious self-written biography blurb for "Russia Insider", gently poking fun at Huffington Post's mini-biography which accompanies his Huff Post pieces. He's a born-and-bred American citizen, a writer currently living in Russia, and writes analysis and opinion pieces.

Does the fact that he's not an inexperienced cub reporter or that he doesn't currently reside within the 50 states make his opinion any less credible?

Take as long as you require to come up a coherent response.

[WhiteTara]

39. Anyone can have an opinion, just remember it is

an OPINION and not fact.

[brentspeak]

44. Ok, here's another "not fact":

from the New York Times.

Who knows? Maybe you'll discover that the writers who wrote the piece "aren't living in America", or some other very important bit of distraction:

By SCOTT SHANE and JO BECKER
FEB. 27, 2016

A New Libya, With ‘Very Little Time Left

The fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi seemed to vindicate Hillary Clinton. Then militias refused to disarm, neighbors fanned a civil war, and the Islamic State found refuge."

[WhiteTara]

48. Okay. One question though

what does this have to do with the OP? Just curious.

[brentspeak]

52. I had assumed that before you interjected in this sub-thread

That you first read all the posts in in it.

[Live and Learn]

26. +10,000 nt

[hertopos]

7. From the beginning, I have a problem his position with gun.

This shows that nobody is perfect. Or, more precisely, no politician ca%n survive without his or her key constituents. I cannot possibly accept his position on gun; however, that does not negate my respect for some of key issues he addressed and has been supporting

Remember, his and Hillary`s voting records coincide at 93 % rate. We tend to assume that remaining 7%, Hillary is not as progressive as Bernie. Well, at least with gun control, Hillary has been to the left of Bernie`s.

Now, I am also concerned about the motive behind this mass shooting. This is clearly hate crime. However, Trump is already trying to frame this as something related to international terrorism.

Make it very clear that this is the worst hate crime of modern America. I also believe at least we could have prevented this level
of high casualty if certain types of guns were completely outlawed nationally.

Hertopos

[loyalsister]

19. It bothered me too

But I don't see much difference between that and advocating providing weapons to other countries. Wouldn't it serve an anti-gun agenda more consistently to reject the US legacy of international arms dealer?

[aikoaiko]

12. There are plenty of legal tools to shut down bad gun dealers without coercing manufacturers

into being quasi-ATF agents.

Get to work ATF and gun-restrictionists.

[mythology]

43. Perhaps if the NRA and those who value guns over lives would allow the ATF to do their jobs

The NRA and other gun lobbying groups held us without a full director of the ATF for 7 years. Because the NRA is worried about even the tamest of gun control reform, we go through tragedy after tragedy. Fuck the NRA and anybody who supports that worthless organization. From 2013 to 2015 we had a director of the ATF, but when that guy resigned, the NRA's bought and paid for members of Congress have again not allowed a full director.

[aikoaiko]

46. If Obama presented a good director, congress would approve.

None of the "tamest of gun control reform" would have little or any impact on the mass shooting tragedies.

Maybe Hillary will "get things done"

[aikoaiko]

15. Let me ask you -- why do you repost this now?

[Live and Learn]

28. Exactly how is the person Obama referred to as Annie Oakley planning to rid the US of guns.

She is not. Nothing will change. Guns will always be available as long as we have the 2nd Amendment.

[itsrobert]

30. This post is about Sanders doing the Gun Lobby's dirty work

Nothing about Hillary.

[Live and Learn]

33. Then why is it in GDP? If the policy isn't going to accomplish a damn thing why support it anyway?

Another poster I won't miss.

[senz]

38. They know how precarious her position is.

[WhiteTara]

41. Are you leaving? nt

[Live and Learn]

47. What business of that is yours? nt

[senz]

50. Are you being a bully?

[WhiteTara]

56. Were you assuming that the other poster

was leaving? He's been around for a long time. Since you won't miss him, I wondered if you were.

[senz]

58. What the hell are you talking about?

Ugh.

[WhiteTara]

62. You said you wouldn't miss that poster

were you assuming he was leaving DU or were you implying that you would be?

[senz]

66. Bullshit. Reread the exchange.

[Matt_in_STL]

31. What is it you guys say?

Oh yeah...4 days. Get it out of your system.

[oasis]

32. Wake up America.

[yurbud]

34. aren't the "centrists" always telling us we shouldn't have litmus tests?

[senz]

37. You wouldn't be doing this if you thought your candidate had "won."

For shame. Horrible.

[WhiteTara]

42. Won in quotation marks?

Does the bird signify several million votes to make up Bernie's deficit?

[senz]

49. It is so close that she couldn't even get to 2383.

There has been massive cheating for months, always in her favor. Funny how that happens. Own it.

The night before the six primaries that would have brought them even, the AP declared Hillary the winner. The AP does not decide our elections. It was a deliberate act of voter suppression to push it through. Own it.

She does not have the requisite votes. She has not won.

And this is why her surrogates are still beating up on Bernie Sanders.

White Tara, I am so glad that I am not on the same side as you.

[WhiteTara]

54. So you're not a democrat?

[senz]

57. I've probably been a Democrat longer than you've been alive

and I know the rules for the 2016 Democratic primary: a candidate has to get to 2383 delegates through voting to be the nominee. Until then, they aren't.

She isn't.

[WhiteTara]

61. If you have, then you are probably older

than dirt.

The rules for the 2016 race are the same as the race 2008 and for many years before. In 2008, Sanders declared his vote for Obama before the convention and told Clinton to get out of the race.

[rjsquirrel]

40. I've been tough on Bernie supporters and I still say

now is not the time.

You're using this tragedy to score points in a contest that Clinto has already won.

On behalf of Clinton partisans and strong anti-gun folks (I got banned from RKBA) I say let this go. Bernie is not nearly among the really bad politicians on gun control. He ain't great but it's not relevant right now.

[Chasstev365]

45. Thank you! Bring up the same point, I was compared to the NRA.

[azurnoir]

51. sorry but IMO the only folks that law would be a boon for is litigation lawyers

[JI7]

53. Sanders position on guns is same as Clinton amd Obama now. Clinton already won

Sanders is calling to do something about guns NOW.

[Gothmog]

59. This is the time to discuss Gun Control

[ecstatic]

68. +1000. By next week, everyone will have moved on

like nothing ever happened. Except the victims and their families.

[MattP]

60. This thread is not well timed

Bernie advocated for Gun Control this morning so it's over for me

[senz]

63. Bernie has supported the assault weapons ban since 1988.

He has a D- rating from the NRA, and has supported an instant background check from the start.

Those who are trying to blame what happened today on Bernie are dishonest, desperate and low.

[Vattel]

64. Meh, I doubt the absence of PLCAA would have stemmed gun violence.

We need to ban as many kinds of automatic and semi-automatic weapons as we can.

[Oakenshield]

65. My, my, does Sanders really intimidate you this much?

That you need to use this tragedy to score political points? Really classy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027902587