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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:07 PM

 

Here's something I never thought I'd say.

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As of right now. This second. As we speak. I am planning on voting for Hillary Clinton.

She may do something to piss me off over the next few months, and I reserve the right to change my mind again, but the events that happened last night/today, and Trump's reaction to them has finally (?) made me completely understand that he cannot be the person in charge.

We need adults in the Whitehouse. If these are our choices this year, and make no mistake, I think we (dems) had some better options we could have put on the table, but if this is it, I'm going to have to vote for the adult with the best chance of winning.

I can't believe it either.

Edit: While I seriously appreciate it, no thanks for 'seeing the light' is needed. Seriously. It took 50 deaths and a terrible tweet to put things into perspective for me. That sucks all around. Fuck Trump. Fuck the GOP. Fuck Terrorism. Fuck Radical Anything. Except for Radical Love. Radical Love would be great.

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Reply Here's something I never thought I'd say. (Original post)
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 OP
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #1
moonscape Jun 2016 #6
NWCorona Jun 2016 #18
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #59
democrattotheend Jun 2016 #48
lancer78 Jun 2016 #66
democrattotheend Jun 2016 #67
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #60
VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #68
Post removed Jun 2016 #2
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #3
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #27
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #61
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #63
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #64
Live and Learn Jun 2016 #65
nolabear Jun 2016 #4
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #8
nolabear Jun 2016 #10
runaway hero Jun 2016 #5
runaway hero Jun 2016 #7
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #9
runaway hero Jun 2016 #11
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #17
runaway hero Jun 2016 #21
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #24
runaway hero Jun 2016 #30
Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2016 #31
runaway hero Jun 2016 #32
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #13
nolabear Jun 2016 #15
Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #12
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #14
Armstead Jun 2016 #16
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #19
ruggerson Jun 2016 #20
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #22
MaggieD Jun 2016 #23
PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #33
MaggieD Jun 2016 #35
PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #36
MaggieD Jun 2016 #38
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #62
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #39
Loudestlib Jun 2016 #51
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #55
Tarc Jun 2016 #25
Dems to Win Jun 2016 #26
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #28
Dems to Win Jun 2016 #34
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #37
Dems to Win Jun 2016 #45
missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #29
ecstatic Jun 2016 #40
obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #41
tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #42
wyldwolf Jun 2016 #43
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #44
bravenak Jun 2016 #46
Gothmog Jun 2016 #47
Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #49
Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #50
Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #52
Haveadream Jun 2016 #69
zappaman Jun 2016 #53
obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #58
Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #54
TDale313 Jun 2016 #56
Mr Maru Jun 2016 #57

Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:08 PM

1. And before any of my Bernie holdout friends jump on me...

 

I realize this is proof of a weak backbone. You guys do you, and vote your conscious. Whatever it is.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:12 PM

6. It takes strength to be flexible, to

adapt, consider, reflect in the face of changing circumstances. When I'm able to do this, I realize maybe I'm not a calcified old coot after all ...

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:20 PM

18. You shouldn't worry about what anyone says about who you vote for.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:02 AM

59. No doubt... wish everyone felt that way.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

48. I'm a Bernie supporter, and I salute you

In the interest of full disclosure I have never been Bernie or Bust, so I don't know if I qualify as a "holdout." But I for one am glad to see you change your mind about voting for Hillary. I think that the Bernie or Bust mentality not only hurts the country, but it also hurts Bernie and the things he believes in.

I am mostly where you are - I plan to vote for Hillary but reserve the right to change my mind if she really pisses me off. But I live in a solidly blue state where my vote doesn't matter. If I lived in a swing state she would have to do something that made me think she was worse than Trump before I'd consider not voting for her.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:27 AM

66. I would like to say one thing

 

You say that your vote doesn't matter because you live in a blue state, but your vote might matter to that mid-20's/early 30's progressive running for his first local seat. No matter what, your vote matters to someone.

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Response to lancer78 (Reply #66)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:53 AM

67. Of course. I meant my vote for president doesn't matter

I never said I was considering not voting at all. Whether I vote for Hillary or not (and I almost definitely will), I will vote for someone for president and I will vote for the down-ballot races, except the judges. I usually do not vote for judges because I do not believe judges should be elected. But I go back and forth on whether I should vote in those elections anyway.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:07 AM

60. Jump on? Nah.

 

Yes, I think you're making a terrible mistake. But it's your mistake to make...and none of my affair when it comes right down to it.

Me? Never Hillary. Not. Ever.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:18 PM

68. While I think it's a mistake, I can't fault you for it.

I can never see these people as my allies. It's like they expect the movement as a whole to forget what was said to them, forget what they were called, and forgive those mewling curs for "things said in the heat of the primary".

Not me.

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Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:11 PM

3. I agree- you have to do what you have to do

 

Until today, I didn't think that Trump's 4 years could really kill the country. Now i'm not so sure.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:29 PM

27. What makes you think Hillary's won't? And that was another terrible hide. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:08 AM

61. No kidding. Idiotic hide.

 

Camp Weathervane cultists getting their jury system abuse in while they still can.

A couple days and I'm out of here...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:12 AM

63. Yep, the new JPR is looking real good. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:15 AM

64. Innit, though?

 

I will have a few months to decide if I intend to return to Third Way Underground at all (and not just when the "no dissing Princess Weathervane" rules are done). I suspect most of whatever population remains won't miss me. =P

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:19 AM

65. I suspect it will be quite similiar to other sites I refuse to visit.

I don't think I will have any issues in common with the leftovers.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:11 PM

4. Thank you. We need good people. And we ARE good people.

At the moment I'm aching for reconciliation not only because I respect Bernie's ideas and hope they'll folded into the Democratic platform and Clinton administration, but because I can't stand much more hate, anywhere, anytime.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM

8. I honestly wanted to hold out longer, but...

 

today was too much. Everything just seems petty right now. Like you said, the hate needs to end. Whatever needs to be done to further that, even a half-measure, its better than a full step back.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:15 PM

10. I understand. And I agree.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:12 PM

5. Welcome Aboard.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:13 PM

7. well...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742034549232766976

Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!


More

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:14 PM

9. That was it for me.

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:15 PM

11. Not even his worst

But welcome aboard, still.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:19 PM

17. It's the first 'major crisis' that he needed to respond to

 

as the nominee. And that tweet was just absurdly self centered and childish. Maybe the heat of the primaries blinded me, I honestly wasn't paying a ton of attention to him until recently.

But that was sick.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:21 PM

21. I can't defend it

still, he's just as mad as you and everyone else is. People like him because he's a heart on the sleeve guy.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:23 PM

24. Yeah, and there's a reason you and I probably shouldn't be President :)

 

Emotions are good, but you can't be the boss like that.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:43 PM

30. You get it

Trump is like us. That's why he's still in it.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:54 PM

31. I really doubt that he is just as mad as many of us. His anger is tempered by that fact

that he is happy to have been supposedly "proven right."

And I doubt very much he really, honestly feels for the people killed and the grief their families and friends are suffering. He's more mad that "the bad guys" did something bad. There's a monumental difference.

Just like with 9/11. All these RWers who despised New York City--meaning all those "not real American" people who live there (check Sarah Palin's spewings for this attitude, if you can stomach it)--were not heartbroken that those people died. More indignant that the evil foreigners killed Americans.

Again, the difference is vital.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:00 PM

32. Of course

But so many people in this country just flat out dislike Muslims. More then hate trump. It will be interesting to see the thin line the left walks here.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:15 PM

13. Seriously, Twitter-diplomacy is fucking frightening

 

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:17 PM

15. Oh, sweet Jesus...

I can't...I just can't...

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:15 PM

12. Welcome

I am sorry it took this to turn you around. But whatever it takes I am glad to have you on board. In 2008 I was a Gore supporter until he made it very clear he would NOT run. Then I was searching for a candidate and as I started to defend Hillary supporters from vile attacks on dkos (I don't even remember by user name, I was banned so fast), I researched her and quickly became her most passionate supporter.
I hope as you get to know her better you will feel better about her. It took me a long time, years, to warm up to Obama. But now I quit love the man. The only real objection I have is to his education policy and his Education director.

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Response to Florencenj2point0 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:17 PM

14. Thanks, and seriously, I don't need any thanks or welcomes. No matter the arguments, we're all still

 

the only sane wing of mainstream politics. I'm just saying we (the royal we) need to do whatever it takes to protect the Whitehouse from children being in charge.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:18 PM

16. I never had that internal conflict -- Between Clinton and Trump, I'll take Clinton any day -- But...

 

...We could have done much better as a choice, and it breaks my heart that we're once again stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:20 PM

19. I agree...like I said upthread...

 

After last night/this morning, I'm willing to take the half measure to protect the bigger picture. That man can not be in charge of a Country.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:20 PM

20. a very heartfelt thank you

i wish it was under better circumstances

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Response to ruggerson (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:22 PM

22. No thanks needed, and I do as well. I honestly

 

didn't expect to make this post this summer at the very least. My plan was to see what she actually did as the nominee, but this can't go on. Shit is too real.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:22 PM

23. 90% of Bernie supporters will do the same

 

The rest wouldn't have ever voted for the Dem candidate anyway.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:01 PM

33. ^ this is a lie.

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:03 PM

35. No, it's just a difference of opinion

 

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:04 PM

36. No, it is a false statement

 

The definition of a lie.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:07 PM

38. Okey dokey

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:12 AM

62. I disagree.

 

It's not a lie if the person saying it genuinely believes it to be true. It may be wrong...but it can't be a lie. Simply being a false statement doesn't, in and of itself, fulfill the definition of "lie." The statement has to be made despite the knowledge that it is false.

Moreover, these are predictions. As such, they are propositions with no demonstrable truth-state. It's impossible for such statements to be lies.

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Response to MaggieD (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:08 PM

39. Agreed. Polls shows 70-80% are already on board.

The number will increase when Sanders concedes and endorses Clinton.

It will climb further as the rest have some time to contemplate President Donald Trump.

It no doubt went up today.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:06 PM

51. Might even be as high as 70-120%

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Response to Loudestlib (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:26 PM

55. "71 percent of Sanders backers choose Clinton over Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/08/will-bernie-sanders-supporters-rally-behind-hillary-clinton-now-heres-what-we-know/

There are others. Perhaps if you took ten seconds out of your busy life posting nonsense, you could find some.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:27 PM

25. Beer!

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:29 PM

26. Hillary is very good friends with the Saudis who export Wahhabism

 

If you think the adult response to this shooting is to continue to allow Saudis to fund Wahhabi mosques in our country and send Wahhabi clerics to the US to preach 'Kill the Infidel! Kill The Gays!', as Hillary is certain to do, then by all means vote for Clinton.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:33 PM

28. As compared to what? Give me a better dem to vote for in the GE, and I'll gladly do it.

 

But giving me the choice between Trump and Hillary is really no choice anymore. At worst Hillary keeps current policies in place and we try again to move left in 8 years.

With Trump...who the fuck knows what he does? Bomb the shit out of Dearborn?

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:02 PM

34. I agree, Trump vs. Hillary is no choice at all

 

I have no good answers.

But today, of all days, I would not be making the decision to vote for the woman whose Foundation takes millions from Saudi royalty. just mho.

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:06 PM

37. I understand where you are coming from. Please trust that I do...

 

...I'm not even saying that I'm not making an emotional decision right now, but I do believe it's one that has to be made, at least for me.


Full disclosure: I was flirting heavily with voting for Gary Johnson in protest, mainly because his ideas on the drug war and mine line up quite nicely. I was going to poor my heart into THAT issue to at least have some skin in the game this GE. But I live in a swing state, and this just made it clear that I can't do that. Not now.

Again, emotional or not, I think its the right choice for me. I can't tell or advise anyone else as to what to do with their vote.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:35 PM

45. I respect your decision.

 

Congrats on having a vote that matters. I'm in a deep blue state myself, which of course has its advantages, too.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:37 PM

29. Thank you.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:10 PM

40. My SO came to that conclusion this week as well, after Gov. Perdue's

disgusting "prayer" for Pres. Obama's death. As the GOP continues to show their true colors, hopefully more people will understand how unhinged, hateful, and dangerous they've become.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:25 PM

41. What happened in Orlando was horrific

And it sucks we need terrible things to bring us together. That wasn't directed at you -- it's what tragedies do, bring us together.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:06 PM

42. It's a tough day...

in America.

I don't like having two flawed candidates where it comes down to having to vote against the other party, but Trump is just too crazy.

Radical Love Joe...

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:11 PM

43. But we knew you'd DO IT, whether or not you'd actually say it.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:22 PM

44. heh

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:52 PM

46. Yeah, Trump is a disgusting pig

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

47. I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what

Trump makes this very easy

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:55 PM

49. It's like have a cheat code in a video game.nt

 

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:02 PM

50. Bye

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:14 PM

52. The thought of a runaway train wreck Donald Trump even gettingv as far as he has to becoming

President should scare the hell out of everyone. He is a loose cannon without direction. Never could I support him. For nextv few months if will be about defeating Trump and electing Hillary as our next president.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #52)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:44 PM

69. +1000

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:19 PM

53. FUCK TRUMP should be the mantra of any sane person.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:45 AM

58. +1

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:25 PM

54. Right now Ronald Mcfucking Donald

 

With the hamburgler as VP would be better than Trump.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:51 PM

56. It's been a heartbreaking day

We Bernie supporters need to support each other whatever we decide to do in Nov.

I know this probably wasn't easy.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:02 AM

57. Radical thanks.

Hopefully she'll win you over with time but either way, thank you.

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