Advice to Sanders when meeting with the Dem Nominee on Tuesday

[boston bean]

Suspend your campaign. Get behind the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States.

Put you unrealistic ambition of becoming the nominee behind you. Act like an adult.

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Why are you always so bitter?

Seriously.

[boston bean]

2. I'm not bitter. I'm fed up with his antics. Putting the GE at risk with his antics.

He needs to get on board.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. There is no risk to the GE,

She's home free in a cakewalk, or so the HCG insists - Sanders supporters aren't needed, they aren't real democrats, and their help is unwanted.

Which is it?

[Hortensis]

49. Boston Bean, we do need to address the GE, but imo

everyone should just back off and relax. The primary is almost behind us, and for now the media have turned most of their attention elsewhere. Those of us ready to think ahead should do that and let others take their own pace.

Imo all this push, push, push from some whose candidate won became obnoxious some days ago and is rivaling the true believers in GD-Pishness. So much so that I'm starting to feel sorry for them, and I'd rather not.

[Demsrule86]

75. I have warned since March when it became clear he could not win

that he put the general in danger...so what kind of a person would risk a Trump presidency...not a liberal and that is for sure.

[AgingAmerican]

92. So you have little confidence in Hillary's ability to win on her own merits

[Demsrule86]

106. No

Any candidate no matter how worthy can be defeated...look at what they did to Kerry. Sanders needs to get out.

[AgingAmerican]

111. No, he doesnt

And he won't

[JackInGreen]

4. If you think he's putting the GE at risk by staying in

I think you lack faith in your picks feet being held to the fire.

[Demsrule86]

76. Of course it hurts the general...only a Bernie person would not understand that.

You don't hold your candidate's feet to anything...you support and help elect. I have come to believe a fair number of Bernie supporters are so bitter and angry, they want Trump to win and others are not really supporting Bernie like the WVA voters who planned to vote for Trump all along. Had Bernie conceded and endorsed in a reasonable amount of time, this would be over. He better get with the program or his career such as it is.... is over.

[AgingAmerican]

81. So if he doesn't 'get with the program' his career is over?

Cuz you say so?

Will the Clinton's send a hit team after him or something like that?

[JackInGreen]

98. They've been out from day one

Headdown

[Demsrule86]

107. Absolutely

The down ticket Dems will make sure of it...he can name post offices...or maybe they will investigate the loan business with Jane.

[AgingAmerican]

109. lol

Funny given her three 'accomplishments' as senator consisted of naming buildings.

S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004.

S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008.

[seabeyond]

9. So tiresome of Sanders supported defining us with outrageous adjectives. Nt

[Jim Lane]

51. Is it also tiresome when Clinton supporters define us with outrageous adjectives?

Or do you find that somehow easier to bear?

[seabeyond]

72. I don't do it.

[AgingAmerican]

112. Flummoxed is the most fitting one

Given her supporters cannot tell us where she stands on any issue's..

[hobbit709]

14. Let's see here. First you say Bernie is NOT a Democrat. Now you say he needs to get on board?

[MaggieD]

57. He needs to just go away

If he can't face reality and concede he just needs to take a long vacation. But at this point I think he's just making a fool of himself.

[hobbit709]

62. Keep on talking there.

[MaggieD]

64. You too

[hobbit709]

89. Didn't take long did it?

[democrattotheend]

82. How is he putting the GE at risk?

He hasn't been campaigning against Hillary since Tuesday, and throughout the campaign he never ran a single negative ad and has not thrown anything at her that Republicans won't ten-fold. Meanwhile, he has gotten a lot of new people engaged and raised some important issues. So I don't see why so many of you seem to think he is putting her chances of beating Trump at risk. If she can't convince his supporters that she's worth supporting, that's her fault, not his.

[pipoman]

5. Advice to Hillary Clinton

Beg Bernie to help you restore some trust from the vast number of Democrats who hate you. Beg him to join your campaign now, and your administration later to help bring out the vast number of Democrats who are staying home because you are the nominee.

Hillary needs Bernie far more than Bernie needs her. She better start acting like it immediately.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. ^^^This^^^

Wake up, bean.........

[rjsquirrel]

7. Yeah that's it make her beg....

No misogyny there.

[pipoman]

11. LOL

Lets pretend people hate Hillary because she is a woman.

And FUCK anyone who attempts to shame righteous disenfranchisement by claiming something so incredibly idiotic as pretending people don't like her because of misogyny. This kind of stupidity will make even more people hate her and stay home.

She better beg, and it better be believable.

[seabeyond]

12. Lets pretend that anyone seriously suggested allowing the loser to run the show when a man.

[George II]

18. 50% of Democrats are NOT "Bernie supporters".

[pipoman]

22. Keep pretending.

[George II]

31. I'm sure you can document that, right? It's not pretend, it's reality.

[Hortensis]

53. Well, if we count HRC's voters who "support"

what he's been saying but just not him for president, probably over 50%.

I'm one of those, and I think things are working out about as well as I could have hoped. He has turned out to be a "true believer" in himself and his crusade, but since the upside of those traits is that they helped assure he wouldn't be president, I can accept their downside as well. Depending, of course.

[geek tragedy]

19. It's not disenfranchisement if you just get outvoted.

Also, Clinton finished way ahead with actual Democrats, Sanders was not close to 50% of Democrats. His strength was independents.

[pipoman]

24. Every president ever elected

Needs their partys base in full, plus they must pull from the oppositions center...a two way race cannot be won without it....and a good share of the Democratic party is disenfranchised...Hillary cannot fix that alone.

[geek tragedy]

33. Getting outvoted isn't disenfranchisement

[-none]

60. Not being allowed to vote is.

And there was plenty of that going around this primary.

[geek tragedy]

68. vote suppression helped Sanders greatly.

Caucuses do much more to suppress voting than anything Scott Walker could dream up.

Vote suppressive caucuses are the only thing that kept him viable.

[-none]

73. How do caucuses suppress the vote?

Why does the Democratic party even have caucuses?
Also why the law suits in several states that had in your face primary voting irregularities, involving voter suppression, vote flipping in the count and voter roll disenfranchisement? Long voter lines because the number of polling places had been greatly reduced.
People being given the wrong ballots because the precinct workers were given the wrong instructions, even though the handbook had the correct instructions.
How can someone fill up sports stadiums to capacity 20,000 to 35,000 people plus, time after time, all over the country, lose to someone that couldn't fill a high school gym ever?
Telling me they would go through the time, trouble, hassle and crowds to hear Bernie, but the couldn't be bothered to vote is totally nonsensical.

[geek tragedy]

74. let's see, caucuses violate voter privacy, are prone to acts of intimidation, discriminate against

the disabled, and require people to commit an entire evening to voting.

Clinton voters don't go to big rallies during the day, because they have things to take care of like jobs and kids

[-none]

77. Even when the rallies were in the evenings?

Otherwise, come on, you can do better than that.

[geek tragedy]

79. yes, people have stuff that's more important than standing around for 4 hours

listening to a stump speech

[Mr Maru]

85. People still have kids in the evening. Disabled and elderly are still disabled and elderly

in the evening. People WORK in the evening and the less income they have the less likely they are to be able to get the time off to do things like go to rallies or caucuses.

Caucuses suck, and rallies are great for kids and young people, but most Democrats really do have busy lives.

Hillary won, despite the advantage afforded to Sanders with undemocratic caucuses.

[Lord Magus]

96. Caucuses are disenfranchisement by their nature. They place significant barriers to participation.

You have to be physically present for several hours straight at a specific time of day. If you've got work scheduled for that time, too bad. If you have small children to take care of, too bad. If you're physically unable to attend the caucus, too bad. Caucuses by their very nature cannot have absentee ballots or early voting to get around these obstacles.

On the other hand your claims of voting "irregularities" are complete nonsense. No vote counts were ever "flipped." And for God's sake drop that absurd argument that rally sizes equate to having more voters. Rally sizes mean nothing. It doesn't matter if every person who attended a Bernie rally voted for him, because that's nowhere near enough votes to win. Maybe a cumulative 1-2 million people attending rallies over the course of the campaign doesn't mean much in an election where close to 30 million total people voted.

[liberal from boston]

83. Senator Sanders

Hillary ran a nasty campaign against Bernie as she did against Obama. Media was also complicit:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/the_associated_press_clinton_victory_story_20160609

[seabeyond]

26. Sanders got under 50% of the vote adn over 40% of those are not Democrats. So, no.

[TwilightZone]

37. Your numbers are completely off. Clinton won 63.7% of Dems.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

[Demsrule86]

78. People went ballistic in 08 and she was much closer than Bernie

And there is Bernie basically saying he is still running...time to go Bernie.

[rjsquirrel]

16. "make her beg"

Just imagine had Bernie won and someone said Clinton should " make him beg" for her support.

Wouldn't happen. You'd be howling about what a b$&ch she was.

You don't fool me. The die hard Berners are almost all white men, most middle aged, who were always motivated in their Hillary hate by misogyny. It's in your language and your posture. Your moralistic superiority is a cover for feeling emasculated by losing to a b---ch. and if you could get away with calling her that you'd do so.

Luckily ca. 15 million voters said no thanks to that BS.

[pipoman]

20. Wrong. It always happens. Is this your first presidential election season?

Again, it is stupid ass shit like this that will cost Hillary the support of half of Democrats.

[pipoman]

35. Then you should know that she cannot win without

Every single vote she can get. Just keep pretending that any segment....especially a huge segment like men...of any race, are not needed to win...It is up to the nominee to earn the support of their party...that isn't done further disenfranchisement.

[rjsquirrel]

67. Nonsense

She needs to win two or three of half a dozen swing states, only a couple of which have any significant number of BS supporters. She can do better playing to centrist independents and moderate republican women in those states. Your analysis is simply wrong and she really does not need the fringe diehard misogynist BernieBros contingent that badly. Certainly not enough to "beg" for their rancid support.

What's *your* better option? Answer: you're ok seeing Trump win to punish the b--tch who stole your hero's fire. You'll come around, or you won't.

I suspect you'll be "begging" to come back by November. Republicans don't much like socialists. Trump will be bad for you too, or if not then by all means vote for him and show I'm right about your misogyny and white male privilege.

And then I say lets make Bernie beg for his senate committee assignments.

[Mr Maru]

86. "lets make Bernie beg for his senate committee assignments. "

BINGO!

And another point, if this "revolution" is to continue, they NEED Hillary voters' support. Period. How about we start demanding that they BEG for that?

[rjsquirrel]

90. Exactly

A revolution made up of mostly white privileged voters (or semi-voters, as California proved) needs PoC and working class voters too, and they supported Clinton.

[Lazy Daisy]

104. We have been begging

Do you not see the irony of your post?
You want people to beg for healthcare, education, living wage, equality, justice and peace.

Make us beg.....

SMH

[leftofcool]

70. Actually, yes she can.

[seabeyond]

97. Yes, she can. Nt

[geek tragedy]

30. No man has ever been expected to beg for the votes

of Democrats who voted for another candidate in the primary.

But a woman wins and Internet dudebros demand she supplicate herself at their feetz

The demand for her to "beg" is merely a juvenile attempt to put a woman back in her subservient place because some fragile male egos can't cope with a woman in charge.

[seabeyond]

34. This. Thank you. Nt

[Beowulf]

43. Carter in 1980 v Kennedy

[cwydro]

45. You said it.

Perfectly.

[Demsrule86]

108. Amen sister!!! nt

[geek tragedy]

110. I think you mean to write "amen brother!!!"

[Jim Lane]

54. This is a ridiculous smear.

Just in case your venom gets hidden, let me quote it here for all to see:

You don't fool me. The die hard Berners are almost all white men, most middle aged, who were always motivated in their Hillary hate by misogyny. It's in your language and your posture. Your moralistic superiority is a cover for feeling emasculated by losing to a b---ch. and if you could get away with calling her that you'd do so.

And your evidence for this "almost all" assessment is what, exactly? You've interviewed how many of us?

This is bigotry, pure and simple.

To take just one example: I marched against the Iraq War in 2003. That was engineered mostly by men, albeit with the complicity of some women like Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton. Is it your contentuion that my opposition to an imperialist war was based on misogyny? Many of us who opposed that war now want to see a President who got it right the first time, standing up to all the rah-rah patriotic fervor, in preference to a candidate who switched position years later when the war had become unpopular.

[geek tragedy]

17. "She better beg, and it better be believable."

and she needs to make you a sandwich, and it better include pickles

[pipoman]

21. Dumb.

[geek tragedy]

27. No, what's dumb is demanding the presumptive nominee

"beg" for the approval of randos.

Your choice to vote for her or not, but demanding she "beg" is both childish and dripping in male supremacism.

[pipoman]

38. No, it is the absolute reality of winning the support of people who currently oppose you

[geek tragedy]

52. That is done via policy and outreach.

Begging will not happen, should not happen, and is only demanded by those who are motivated by ego and gender bias instead of policy.

[leftofcool]

69. Uh no! Not only will she not beg. Sanders will not get anything he wants.

[Chan790]

25. Insisting she beg a wildly-popular upstart to fall in line rather than carry on to the convention...

isn't misogynistic. It has nothing to do with her gender or sex. It's political.

Demanding she make him a ham sandwich and shut her mouth so he can watch the Sox game in peace because women have nothing constructive to contribute would be misogynistic.

[rjsquirrel]

28. Bull

He's less popular than she was in 2008 and no one told Obama to beg her to do shit.

You can't see the misogyny. Many of us can.

[seabeyond]

29. When behavior toward our first woman nominee is met with a unique demand, ya, we are gonna attribute

it to the patriarchy.

No one has ever demanded the winner do what the loser told him to do. Ever. Except now, with a woman, male role being leadership, and woman submissive.

[Chan790]

93. It's not unique though.

It's pretty much de rigeur for tough-fought close primary races where the presumed non-winner could carry out their campaign to the bloody end to no apparent purpose other than to damage the presumed winner and potentially mount an insurgent resistance to take the nomination by guile.

You play the game and get as much out of the winner in terms of concessions, promises and owed-favors/begging as you can in exchange for your endorsement and withdrawal.

That has nothing to do with patriarchy...not unless you also ascribe Dann Malloy doing it to John DeStefano Jr. in the CT governor's primary in 2006 to the patriarchy. I only have about 15 other examples of this exact phenomena...Hillary is not unique in the expectation that she beg and bribe Sanders out of this primary.

[TwilightZone]

32. "vast number of Democrats who hate you" - Hillary won 63.7% of Dems

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

Sanders won 35.5%. If we go by the numbers alone, it would seem that Democrats approved of Clinton nearly 2:1.

Based on your logic, I guess that 2/3 of Democrats "hate" Bernie Sanders. I'd have to disagree.

[pipoman]

39. Not at all good enough to win the GE....

she must have all democrats and some right of center to win in a 2 way race.

[TwilightZone]

40. By your own logic, Sanders can't win.

She has the support of twice as many Dems as he does, and she does better with both liberals and moderates - it's all right there in the data I posted.

If your assertion is that Hillary can't win with "only" 2/3 of Dems, then Sanders quite certainly can't win with the support of only 1/3. Your own argument - which makes no sense, by the way - fails your candidate.

Here's why your logic makes no sense: the vast majority of Dems would vote for either of them in November. Once the primaries are over, it's no longer one or the other - it's the nominee. The majority of Sanders supporters have already indicated that they'll support Clinton in November.

[seabeyond]

42. Fairytale and rainbows. All Clinton supporters will joyously get on board with Sanders

and there will be no friction or complaint just excitement that the ultimate "right" finally came out with our primary by ignoring voters and anointing, crowning, coronating Sanders.

[TwilightZone]

47. Well, that's the funny thing. If Sanders had won the nomination, the vast majority of Clinton

supporters would already be on board. They always were. Even with the animosity of the primary season still in full evidence, the prospect of President Donald Trump makes the choice no question at all. That, of course, would have been the case regardless of the GOP nominee, not just Trump.

But then, the majority of Clinton supporters are Democrats. We're going to support the nominee and as many other Dems as we can. That's kinda our thing.

[MaggieD]

58. Nobody needs Bernie

Sorry, but that is just the bare facts of it. As Bernie himself said, he can't make his supporters do anything. If they are foolish enough to give Trump an assist well, you can't fix stupid.

Personally, I don't think the DNC or Hillary should give Sanders a damn thing. He is irrelevant.

[leftofcool]

71. Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally irrelevant!

[Lord Magus]

94. Really, the winner should get down on her knees to beg for the loser's support?

Should she also offer to make Bernie co-president?

[seabeyond]

8. Act like an adult. !!! Nt

[George II]

10. Good advice. Let's hope he does that. But unfortunately his remarks yesterday don't indicate...

...that he will.

I don't know where he gets the nerve to say, after fighting the Democratic Party for 40 years, that his aim is "transforming the Democratic Party".

He should have started that 10, 15, 20 or more years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&_r=1

[seabeyond]

13. It certainly is arrogant, dissing the party four decades then stepping in to "fix" us. Nt

[LexVegas]

36. No, you have it wrong. She must act like no other nominee ever and bow and scrape to the loser. nt

[KansDem]

41. Perhaps she can tell Bernie what she told the Wall Street thieves in 2007...

"Cut it out"

[gordianot]

44. Another thread advocating unity and reconciliation.

Check out sometime how well the presumptive major party candidates are liked. Between Hillary and Donald one will prevail I would not take bets on either candidate. My opinion of Donald Trump is that he is dangerous. My opinion of this thread it is typical of what is wrong with DU and I refuse to purchase a star.

[Beowulf]

46. This isn't merely about the nomination,

but I don't expect Clinton supporters to understand this.

[TheCowsCameHome]

48. Poison the well you'll be drinking from -

a brilliant strategy.

Let us know how that works out.

[Scuba]

50. And don't forget to kneel! Also, never make eye contact with herself.

[HumanityExperiment]

56. taking a page from the HRC supporters here.... after the 16th this won't be allowed

n/t

[MaggieD]

59. Nor will it be necessary

Bernie is irrelevant at this point.

[HumanityExperiment]

65. ...relevance...

AS HRC suuporters you'd want to believe that but, you know better... you know what that DNC convention is next stage and goal, specifically the DEM platform

[Omaha Steve]

61. She is not the nominee until the convention delegates vote

She is only presumptive by the press before ALL California votes are even counted.

[SmittynMo]

63. Idiots!!!

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No one is begging for anything. To suggest it is childish and ignorant. All those wasted posts you guys made too, just to show off your immaturity Gee.

And there's no reason to suspend anyone's campaign either. He knows he lost. When he gets out is entirely up to him and it should not affect anything HRC is doing. It may be a good thing, honestly.

If you need to be concerned about anything, it should be voter turnout, which is HRC's problem. She owns that one all by herself. If she does nothing to bring over a large majority of his supporters, it's all over anyway. Start using your energy to get her focused on this task. As it sits right now, I have seen her do absolutely nothing. Apparently she thinks she can do it on her own without this valuable resource, which will be a big mistake. She thinks she can walk the walk, and talk the talk? Well, NOW is the time for it.

I'm ready for someone to convince me that HRC is where my vote should go. (crickets)

[Sheepshank]

84. Hillary had/has a voter turn our problem? Are you sure of that? n/t

[SmittynMo]

100. I'm pretty sure you missed the point

If she does nothing to bring over Sanders 11M people, it's over. Period.

[ancianita]

66. Calling adults who want votes and ideas to restructure this party as children is Republican talk.

Stop it. You know very well why you should stop it.

[azurnoir]

87. ya know you could just shorthand it and resurrect #bowdownbernie

about covers it right?

[bettyellen]

91. He should come out more strongly for gun control or GTFO.

[Chan790]

95. More advice to Sanders when meeting with Hillary on Tuesday.

Ignore terrible advice from Clintonites. We didn't support you so you could fold in negotiations with the epitome of everything wrong within the Democratic party.

[Doctor_J]

99. why would sanders listen to advice from someone who despises him, all of his supporters, and

everything he stands for?

[SmittynMo]

101. Because he is a team player

And loves a lively debate. I wish I was a fly on the wall with a microphone

[cali]

102. advice to bean. Stop being so bitter and hateful. It's unhealthy, bean old friend.

[HERVEPA]

103. Last sentence is good advice. To the poster.

[Orsino]

105. And then apologize to each Clinton supporter personally.

Bring candy and flowers.

Or something.

[Rex]

113. I am sure he will take your advice to heart.

No doubt.

[tallahasseedem]

114. That is some damn fine advice...

especially given he got thumped in DC tonight.