Dead Enders Still Hoping For HRC Indictment So BS Will Win

[stopbush]

Pathetic, and unseemly on a board dedicated to electing Democrats.

[libdem4life]

1. Perhaps She should have cleared this up. She fails on that count.

Dragging the party with her. Fess up Hillary !!!

[bravenak]

2. It's pathetic and transparent

[think]

3. Hillary chose to break rules and lie about them. That much is already a given. You all act like it's

normal to have your candidate as a central figure in an FBI investigation.

It's not...

[bravenak]

5. And praying for an imaginary indictment is sick sick sick

Same folks trying to take H down with this crap said nothing about her predecessors. The only want jail time when it comes to the woman that beat their guy. To them I say, grow up and deal with the fact that she is the nominee, no matter what. Feeding into this nonsense that came out of the Benghazi investigation is rightwingery.

[think]

12. You keep making excuses for poor behavior and blaming others for pointing it out.

Bush , Cheney, & Rumsfeld should ALL have been held accountable. And yes. They did much worse things like supporting and allowing torture.

Obama let them skate which was wrong to do. Cheney has bragged about his war crimes and the Obama administration did nothing....

But that doesn't excuse extremely poor and perhaps criminal behavior by Clinton. She played fast and loose with the law in regards to pay to play using every loophole available to enrich herself from special interests in the last few years.

And you don't even respond to the fact that Hillary went behind Obama's back to hire Blumenthal through her charity foundation no less to provide the Libya intel.

But I understand why you keep blaming everyone else for Hillary's problems. It's all you got....

[sheshe2]

10. Rome????

[think]

13. Is there an FBI investigation? Of course not.

[sheshe2]

15. To soon. Maybe.

Illegal as hell.

[think]

16. Did you complain when Obama took his campaign to Europe? Of course not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008#Middle_Eastern_and_European_tour

[sheshe2]

23. That was political. He took advisors.

Last edited Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Bernie's is non political.

"No. It is not that way. The Vatican is not involved in that. The conference is not a political event," he said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-sanders-heads-to-vatican-says-trip-not-political-2016-4

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600 K paid for by the campaign. Is was a family trip kids grand kids. I am sure they weren't his political advisors. Private jet.

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Bernie Sanders Illegally Used Campaign Funds For Trip To Italy-FEC Filings

Here is the Article Confirming Bernie Sanders illegally used Campaign Funds to pay for his Charter Flight and Stay in Vatican City to attend the Conference he says he was invited to. In the previous article in POLITICADE from April 27th: Margaret Archer, President of the Academy, said that Sanders went around her to get an invitation to the conference in order to win the Catholic vote in the US Presidential primary: “Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons. He may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly…His use of it is clearly a pretext…there will be nothing of policy relevance.” www.politicade.com/...

In Today’s Article June, 4th Politicade confirms that the FEC does not allow for Campaign Finance Money to be used for such a trip. Presidential Campaign Finance Reports, which include receipts and disbursements for the month of April, have been in ’processing’ status since they were submitted to the FEC on 5/20. Yesterday, the FEC made the detailed campaign finance reports available to the public.
Screen_Shot_2016-06-04_at_9.48.02_PM.jpg FEC FILING SHOWING SANDERS USE OF CAMPAIGN FUNDS TO CHARTER JET TO TRIP TO VATICAN CITY FOR STAFF, FAMILY AND PRESS
The reports provide evidence that Bernie Sanders illegally used campaign funds for his overnight stay in Italy with 10 family members. Lodging at the 5-star luxury Hotel Boscolo Exedra in Rome, Italy was billed to the campaign in the amount of $13,758. Rooms at the luxury hotel start at $400 a night and go up to $8,000 a night. Additional expenses include $883 for lodging and catering at Hotel Michelangelo in Rome.

On 4/8, Bernie Sanders announced he would travel to the Vatican on 4/15. Private chartered flights must be paid in full before scheduled departure date. On 4/11, the campaign disbursed $613,451 for chartered air travel. This amount dwarfs all other Sanders’ campaign air charter travel expenses to date.


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So now the truth of the illegal use of Campaign Funds has been revealed. Sanders Campaign Knowingly used the funds, raised by all of those $27 donations to make a trip that would be made by the 1% Bernie Constantly Rails On About. I wonder how quickly the MAIN STREAM MEDIA will call him out on this. One thing we know for sure. If it was HILLARY CLINTON it would have been in the media weeks ago. WITH BERNIE…...ONLY TIME WILL TELL!

More: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/4/1534612/-Confirmed-Bernie-Sanders-Illegally-Used-Campaign-Funds-For-Overnight-Trip-To-Italy

[840high]

24. + a zillion

[Logical]

4. They will be banned soon I hope!

[Live and Learn]

8. That is pretty rude. We aren't hoping for you banishment. nt

[Triana]

6. I'm not counting on it. She'll be the nominee and get my vote

Though I DO hope she finds significant wys to make Sanders and his ideas part of the Dem party platform, part of the campaign against Trump, and part of her administration if she wins. I think it's vital that she do so, in fact, in order to help unify the party.

[Live and Learn]

7. Nope, just want to ensure justice prevails. Do you have a problem with that? nt

[w4rma]

9. Could Hillary Clinton really be indicted over her emails?

Stewart, a former air force B1-bomber pilot, adds: “If I had behaved that way in the military, I would be very concerned about my legal future.”

State department and intelligence officials have identified 2,093 email chains from Clinton’s server as containing classified information. Twenty-two were deemed so highly classified that they were withheld from release to the public. Clinton contends that none of the messages was marked classified at the time.

But former US attorney Joseph DiGenova is blunt: “I don’t think there’s any question Mrs Clinton and her staff broke the law. She maintained a server in her private home in Chappaqua, New York, and conducted government business. This clearly was beyond gross negligence.

“When she set up the server, the intent was to avoid accountability. There is no other intent required. The notion this is not a violation of the law is ludicrous. If she and her staff get a pass, there will be hell to pay in the intelligence community.”

A critical editorial in the Washington Post said last month: “While not illegal behavior, it was disturbingly unmindful of the rules. In the middle of the presidential campaign, we urge the FBI to finish its own investigation soon, so all information about this troubling episode will be before the voters.”

So how likely is it that Clinton will be indicted when the FBI hands its report to the Department of Justice?
…
He says: “There’s been a large push online to say this investigation is over and Hillary Clinton has been cleared and nothing’s going to happen. I think that’s total bullshit in that no one knows what’s happening at the FBI and, if they did, they [the FBI or those outside the bureau with knowledge of the investigation] broke the law.

“I would hope that if the FBI determines that she has broken the law, she will be indicted. I would hope that we have the strength and courage as a country to hold everyone to the law.”

Dan Metcalfe, a Democrat who served as director of the Department of Justice’s Office of Information and Privacy for more than 25 years, wrote in a column last month: “So what you must contemplate, as a leader of the Democratic Party, is the very real possibility of your likely presidential candidate actually being indicted, on criminal charges, sometime between now and, say, (a) the time of the convention at the end of July; (b) the time of the general election in early November; or (c) Inauguration Day in January. Which possibility would you prefer?”

Is anyone else in the line of fire?

Yes. Clinton’s former chief of staff Cheryl Mills and her deputy Huma Abedin have both been interviewed by the FBI during the investigation and could be in more trouble than she is.

The nameless former government lawyer says: “Aides of hers are, sadly, in jeopardy.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/10/hillary-clinton-emails-analysis-possible-indictment-fbi

[oasis]

17. Di Genova, the Fox News "Hillary indictment go to guy", since forever.

[msanthrope]

41. Joe DiGenova? The 90s called....they want Whitewater back!!!! nt

[w4rma]

11. Hillary Clinton Received, Stored, and Forwarded E-Mail with Classified Marking in April 2012: Report

The report published on June 11 reveals that a 2012 email released by the State Department shows that Clinton stored an email on her private server with a classified code, called a “portion marking,” that indicated the information in the email was classified.
…
It was sent by Monica Hanley to Clinton on Sunday, April 8, 2012, at 10:41 p.m. Clinton was serving in the Obama administration as the U.S. Secretary of State at the time.

The email discussed the scheduling of a phone call with Joyce Banda, who became Malawi’s first female president after the death of President Bingu wa Mutharika.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3193122/hillary-clinton-stored-and-forwarded-email-with-classified-marking-in-april-2012-report/

[libdem4life]

14. So we're about down to the level of "can she get away with it or not."

What a candidate. Some of us would like truth. For her to come clean...you know, like with the IW...I made a mistake. Ditto server and coverup. That would be appropriate on a Democratic Board from a Democratic Candidate.

Has Nothing To Do With Bernie Folk. We'd like to win the Presidency with a Democrat. 3 points up on Trump? Long time to November.

ETA: Throwing her two closest aides to the wolves...despicable. They have to tell the truth. What a concept.

[Live and Learn]

42. Yep. nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. Obama says, "Yes, she can!"

[rhett o rick]

18. LOL. I want to elect Democrats, but only the honest ones. nm

[stopbush]

19. Sanders? Honest? And a Democrat?

[sheshe2]

34. see my post below.

[AgingAmerican]

59. He is the last honest politician

And yes he is running as a Democrat

[libdem4life]

60. Read it and weep. Oh, and please comment on the honesty of your candidate

while you're at it. You know, Goose and Gander level.

[CorkySt.Clair]

22. You don't say?

[sheshe2]

33. Lol! Me too!

Bernie Sanders Illegally Used Campaign Funds For Trip To Italy-FEC Filings

Here is the Article Confirming Bernie Sanders illegally used Campaign Funds to pay for his Charter Flight and Stay in Vatican City to attend the Conference he says he was invited to. In the previous article in POLITICADE from April 27th: Margaret Archer, President of the Academy, said that Sanders went around her to get an invitation to the conference in order to win the Catholic vote in the US Presidential primary: “Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons. He may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly…His use of it is clearly a pretext…there will be nothing of policy relevance.” www.politicade.com/...

In Today’s Article June, 4th Politicade confirms that the FEC does not allow for Campaign Finance Money to be used for such a trip. Presidential Campaign Finance Reports, which include receipts and disbursements for the month of April, have been in ’processing’ status since they were submitted to the FEC on 5/20. Yesterday, the FEC made the detailed campaign finance reports available to the public.
Screen_Shot_2016-06-04_at_9.48.02_PM.jpg FEC FILING SHOWING SANDERS USE OF CAMPAIGN FUNDS TO CHARTER JET TO TRIP TO VATICAN CITY FOR STAFF, FAMILY AND PRESS
The reports provide evidence that Bernie Sanders illegally used campaign funds for his overnight stay in Italy with 10 family members. Lodging at the 5-star luxury Hotel Boscolo Exedra in Rome, Italy was billed to the campaign in the amount of $13,758. Rooms at the luxury hotel start at $400 a night and go up to $8,000 a night. Additional expenses include $883 for lodging and catering at Hotel Michelangelo in Rome.

On 4/8, Bernie Sanders announced he would travel to the Vatican on 4/15. Private chartered flights must be paid in full before scheduled departure date. On 4/11, the campaign disbursed $613,451 for chartered air travel. This amount dwarfs all other Sanders’ campaign air charter travel expenses to date.


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I wonder how quickly the MAIN STREAM MEDIA will call him out on this. One thing we know for sure. If it was HILLARY CLINTON it would have been in the media weeks ago. WITH BERNIE…...ONLY TIME WILL TELL!

More: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/4/1534612/-Confirmed-Bernie-Sanders-Illegally-Used-Campaign-Funds-For-Overnight-Trip-To-Italy

Repeat. So now the truth of the illegal use of Campaign Funds has been revealed. Sanders Campaign Knowingly used the funds, raised by all of those $27 donations to make a trip that would be made by the 1% Bernie Constantly Rails On About.

Ball is in your park. Explain this.
ROME (AP) - Pope Francis said his brief encounter Saturday with U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was a sign of good manners, "nothing more," and hardly evidence of interfering in American politics.

The White House hopeful called it a "real honor" to meet "one of the extraordinary figures" in the world, a kindred spirit on economic inequality, which is a main campaign theme of Sanders'.

Francis was on his way to Greece to highlight the plight of refugees and Sanders was wrapping up his trip to Rome when they met in the lobby of the pope's residence, the Domus Santa Marta hotel in the Vatican gardens. The Vermont senator had attended a Vatican conference Friday on economic inequality and climate change, and flew back to New York for campaign events on Saturday.

"This morning when I left, Sen. Sanders was there. ... He knew I was leaving at that time and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife and another couple who were with them," the pope told reporters traveling back with him to the Vatican.

Read More: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-meet-rome-205244070.html

[libdem4life]

62. This is it. The campaign situation is being addressed. Remember he has

not coveted the Presidency nor had a national organization for 25 Years and it got going faster than his learning curve could keep up. The followers are ahead of him, seems. He's a bit behind. He'll take care of it...oh, and he owns it. What a concept.

The Vatican thing...still remains to be seen.

Now, back to the Clinton Foundation and miraculous wealth...without going to the Vatican...amassed in just a few short years.

Care to comment?


There is an old saying...Those who live in glass houses should not thrown rocks.

[rhett o rick]

85. The Clintons have amassed $150,000,000 from quid pro quo money from

billionaires, banksters, and Wall Street.

[sheshe2]

86. Links?????

[sheshe2]

89. Are you one of the men that stands for us?

This vid. They do stand for us one woman at a time. Do you?

billionaires, banksters, and Wall Street.

Do you??? Do you stand for us?

[rhett o rick]

90. I absolutely stand with women. I will fight for women's rights and the rights of the

2.5 million American children that are homeless. Those that attack me tell me I need to be pragmatic. I say crap on pragmatism. As long as there is one child that is homeless, as long as there is one child living in poverty, I will fight on. Fight against our government that is controlled by Big Money.

[BootinUp]

20. And it will likely still be the case after she is inaugurated. nt

[Maru Kitteh]

21. Pathetic, but TEMPORARY :-)

Ahhhhhhhh. Not long now my friends. Not long.

[840high]

26. And then what? What will you talk about? Seems

to me this will become a pretty boring site.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. Having been here since 2004, I've never seen DU run out of things to talk about

[azurnoir]

36. same stuff they do now but without rebuttal

[sheshe2]

40. No.

Actually.

We are going back as a group to love and defend our groups. AA is one driven of this board. I have to give them kudos. Best group on this board. HoF that was driven off this board.

Ya'll drove us off the board. We are going to talk and will laugh. And we will damn well support and elect Democrats.

Then we will CELEBRATE! Sorry you do not wish to join us.

We have a voice! Fear us. Our Voice! We are so strong.

We are one women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to rock. Sorry you are leaving and will miss it.

Bye~

[840high]

43. I am WOMAN for Sanders. I won't miss you.

[ismnotwasm]

67. God I love you Sheshe2

You are one of the most positive people it has been my pleasure to run across on the Internet, and I look forward to the future with you.

[sheshe2]

68. Hey sweetie, good to see you.

Love you back.

Thanks, ism~

[brooklynite]

53. Will tomorrow be a smooth transition? Or an endless last gasp of vitriol?

[Maru Kitteh]

55. Well, here we go! Lol. It's just about the last dance.

[libdem4life]

63. Then we go to LALALALALA I can't hear you.

Like this site changes anyone's mind...or is even a blip in the national conversation. But go ahead...we have a Lot of Big Fish in a little pond. It's frankly amusing...the self aggrandizement and hubris.

I'll miss the entertainment factor.

[Gothmog]

25. There will be no indictment

[libdem4life]

64. Crystal Ball Madam/Sir ...Email, no. Foundation...hmmm.

[Gothmog]

73. The law is clear here and without evidence of intent, there will be no indictment

I love it when laypersons attempt to understand legal concepts

[libdem4life]

83. Forgive we lowly humans... I believe quid pro quo...and I know it's Latin...

includes some level of intent. It's separate from the email situation, but then you knew that.

[Gothmog]

75. The FBI has announced that it does not expect there to be facts to justify charge

There will be no indictment http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/clinton-server-drone-fbi/

The FBI has not yet interviewed Clinton as part of its investigation. As CNN first reported, investigators have not found evidence to support criminal charges against Clinton and none are expected, but no final determination will be made until that interview has taken place.

This is plenty of foundation for my opinion

[libdem4life]

84. As I understand, not being an attorney, the Foundation Thing is a new

aspect, maybe even a new investigation, and has not been leaked. If you would confine your wisdom to that subject, perhaps I could learn more.

She'll skate on the email fiasco...her aides likely won't. Do we know what happened to the Pagliano situation...the one who took the 5th?

[rjsquirrel]

27. Sad and pathetic

The revolution has turned to bitter tears.

[jamese777]

29. Former Head of the DOJ Criminal Division

William Weld, former Republican Governor of Massachusetts and current Libertarian Party vice presidential candidate and former head of the criminal division of the Department of Justice during the Reagan Administration: "..telling MSNBC's Chuck Todd that the Clinton e-mail investigation is going nowhere. When pressed by Todd on why he thought so, Weld replied, "I'm speaking as a former director of the criminal division of the Justice Department. There's no criminal intent, and with no criminal intent there's no indictment."
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/libertarian-vp-candidate-blows-republicans

[LenaBaby61]

48. Thank you....

From everything I've ever read about this e-mail situation, and being as objective as I could be, I never thought there would be an indictment for this very reason stated by Wells and other "objective" lawyers who know as much about the situation as they can know:

"There's no criminal intent, and with no criminal intent there's no indictment."

[Octafish]

65. Except there was an intent to cover it up.

Hiding something from the Inspector General is a crime, isn't it?

One of the staffers told IG investigators that it was made clear that "the matter was not to be discussed any further," according to the report. The other employee said staffers were told "never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again," it says.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-state-department-email-report-means-hillary-clinton-n580516

Perhaps not, as there was no Inspector General at State during Clinton's term.

[riderinthestorm]

30. Said it many times, I neither want nor expect an indictment

It's terrible for the Democratic party.

Fyi

[panader0]

32. I am not hoping for an indictment. That will hurt our party.

I worry that if there is even a recommendation from the FBI, turned down by the DoJ,
that it may cost the Democrats dearly in the GE.
Will there be an indictment? I doubt it.
Are there grounds for an indictment? I believe so.
I truly wish that the investigation would wind up soon, and either give HRC a clear ride to the GE,
or give us a chance to decide what to do.
Weirdest primary ever.

[immoderate]

31. What's wrong with that?

--imm

[AgingAmerican]

35. If someone gets indicted she will be forced to drop out

This is a fact and a possibility.

[NanceGreggs]

37. I remember the intial postings here ...

... by Bernie supporters who insisted that Bernie's "message" would transcend all party affiliations, would appeal to everyone (Dems and GOPers alike), and would be embraced by "the People" en masse.

How quickly it devolved into "if HRC is indicted, Bernie can still pull this off" being his campaign's ONLY hope - oh, and convincing the SDs to ignore the will of the people and crown Bernie "The Loser" Sanders as the nominee.

"A future to believe in" quickly became "a future we can pass off as one that people believed in" if only Hillary is brought down, and the voice of "the People" can somehow be ignored.

It's a sad ending to a story that began with, "Once upon a time, there was a man who insisted he was all about The People" and ended with, "And then the Man of the People decided that The People shouldn't be listened to after all, if they stood between him and the Crown."

[CorkySt.Clair]

39. Hell, we're light years away from Podium Bird at this point

Let alone the beginnings of his campaign. It's all been quite déclassé.

[LenaBaby61]

49. A friend sent me some comments recently from what she thinks were "Bernie" supporters...

And they were still clinging to and in some cases she said praying for something to happen with Benghazi.

Yeah, I know Benghazi

These folks were really struggling and thrashing around very desperately judging from all they were saying for "something" to happen with Hillary.

[leftofcool]

52. +1

[teamster633]

57. “A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!”

[eastwestdem]

38. It is kind of fun to watch their hopes being gradually...oh so gradually...dashed.

The slower it is, the more painful.

[840high]

44. It will be painful - for our country.

[Purveyor]

45. Indictment is being witheld until after the convention and the dismantling of the Sanders campaign.

Must easier to slip in Biden that way...

[LenaBaby61]

46. Celebration....

June 16th

[whistler162]

50. Yes... yes you are and quite obvious in

your pro-Trump efforts.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. lol. You guys are really losing it.

[eastwestdem]

56. Oh...is that why they're still hanging on? Now I get it! Can't Sanders just suspend his campaign?

Then he would be ready to swoop in when that inevitable indictment comes down. (And lose to whomever the Dems put in to replaced Hillary.)

[MoonRiver]

77. "Inevitable indictment," LOL!

Yep, it's so "inevitable" that POTUS has publically and proudly endorsed the DEMOCRATIC PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE!

[AgingAmerican]

58. Hillary supporters heads in sand concerning active FBI investigation

Into their candidate

[blackspade]

61. Another PUMA post

The continual "fuck off" posts aimed at Sanders supporters is such a great general election strategy.

Well played!

[Octafish]

66. Weird how that works?

The OP poster sides with the Warren Commission over what we've learned since.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023811787#post146

[blackspade]

70. I know, right?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. Uh...Bernie is a Democrat.

Or, if you wish to split hairs, he's running as a Democrat. And, as you say, this is a board dedicated to electing Democrats.

[stopbush]

72. Sanders has already registered with the Senate to run as an Independent in 2018.

The only question is how soon before he drops his DINO status and goes back to calling himself an Independent, rather than a Democrat. My guess would be soon, as he is already fund-raising as an Independent for 2018.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

74. Will we still be able to support him as an (EEEK!) Independent in his run for the senate?

Like we have in the past?

[stopbush]

76. Sure. Why not?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

78. Even if it means not supporting a Democrat that runs against him?

[stopbush]

80. DU is a site that supports Ds. Check out the TOS.

Once the election is on, you should be supporting any D who runs against Sanders (at DU, anyway). Who you pull the lever for in the privacy of the voting booth is up to you.

If a D runs against Sanders in 2018, it will only be because the DNC has allowed it, and pulled all of their funding from Sanders. They will need to decide if a strong D can beat an R, or if they're better off staying with Independent Sanders. The last thing they want is to lose a safe "votes-with-the-Ds" seat to an R.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. The DNC doesn't control my support or my vote.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

[stopbush]

82. Nobody does but you.

You're just like the rest of us.

Your point?

[NCTraveler]

71. They are so pathetic that we should be comforting them, not antagonizing them.

These are people in society we are dedicated to help. Those who cannot think for themselves.

[Silver_Witch]

79. Where do u see such a thing.

I have been on all day and have not seen many posts at all re Bernie or Clinton for that matter. Is this just bait so you can keep the anger alive

Way to unity this post is nothing!

[stopbush]

88. Plenty of Sanders supporters here still talking about indictment of Hillary.

It's seldom the OP. They show up as comments. But they're still being posted on DU.

[riversedge]

87. It is pathetic.