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SkyIsGrey

(378 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:13 PM Jun 2016

"I am opposed to a Hillary Clinton presidency because of her policies and her political judgment"

In a New Republic forum about the Hillary Clinton – Bernie Sanders primary that seems typically, ah, imbalanced, and in a way that you’d expect for TNR, comes this from Amanda Marcotte.

What you’re seeing is a huge drift in the party, away from having our leadership be just a bunch of white men who claim to speak for everybody else. We’re moving to a party that puts women’s interests at the center, that considers the votes of people of color just as valuable as the votes of white people. Unfortunately, some of the support for Sanders comes from people who are uncomfortable with that change and are looking to a benevolent, white patriarch to save them.

I quote this merely because it’s typical of a huge number of attacks on the Sanders candidacy and his supporters: it asserts that both are motivated not by sincere policy differences but because of moral pathology, and in particular the desire to oppose the interests of women.

Despite what many people have said to me, I am a lukewarm supporter of Bernie Sanders. I am not much of a Democrat. Sanders would be, in my ideal world, the compromise candidate himself. But here Marcotte has framed the question around resistance to Hillary Clinton, and so I’ll take her lead. And I would like to point out that there are profound and obvious reasons of policy and politics that I as a socialist would oppose a Clinton presidency – so profound and so obvious I find it frustrating that I would have to defend my motives as being based on policy in the first place.



http://fredrikdeboer.com/2016/06/14/i-am-opposed-to-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-because-of-her-policies-and-her-political-judgment/
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"I am opposed to a Hillary Clinton presidency because of her policies and her political judgment" (Original Post) SkyIsGrey Jun 2016 OP
It won't be long now. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #1
An anti-Hillary post by someone who is "not much of a Democrat"... Donald Trump thanks qdouble Jun 2016 #2
Nah, it's just easier to assume racism/misogyny and piss all over the chessboard in one fell swoop. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #3
"a bunch of white men"? Are you thinking of the GOP? FSogol Jun 2016 #4
Or the top tier of Sanders' campaign staff. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #7
"defend my motives as being based on policy in the first place" arcane1 Jun 2016 #5
Freddy de Boer is like the uber Bernie Bro, you should check out his white-hot-angry Twitter feed nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
wahh wahh wahhh La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #8
Well said. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #9
shorter Marcotte/Valenti: rich white person: "you're white!" MisterP Jun 2016 #10
That's nice rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #11

qdouble

(891 posts)
2. An anti-Hillary post by someone who is "not much of a Democrat"... Donald Trump thanks
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jun 2016

you and the author for your support.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
3. Nah, it's just easier to assume racism/misogyny and piss all over the chessboard in one fell swoop.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

What was that saying about trying to debate a pigeon?

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
7. Or the top tier of Sanders' campaign staff.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jun 2016
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56e993b8e4b0b25c91841ee0

The top 10 highest-paid staffers on Bernie Sanders’ campaign are ALL men.


He paid women well, but clearly didn't want any in leadership positions. Very telling...
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. "defend my motives as being based on policy in the first place"
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

A great deal of hard work, here and elsewhere, is being done to make sure that it is never about policy.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Freddy de Boer is like the uber Bernie Bro, you should check out his white-hot-angry Twitter feed nt
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. shorter Marcotte/Valenti: rich white person: "you're white!"
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

they lure people into denying they're racist/sexist/etc., because nobody believes such a denial--the only way to win is to point out the game they're playing

a privileged woman surrounded by warmongering and corporatist white males and warmongering and corporatist women whose policies have brought rampaging death and impoverishment to women, Arabs, Hondurans, Haitians, African-Americans is no defeat for "a bunch of white men"

and of course this just pours fuel into the alt-right populist's campaign: the language simply doesn't convince outside the trimmed-down party: it's just the viewpoint of the type who used to rule the roost at the Oberlin undergrad commons or a "women-only space" at Rutgers or NYU who grew up and realized that their carefully-written lit crit was getting no traction with people who had to work for a living, so they just contracted their circle of discourse until everyone they met fit what they'd already decided upon when they read Brownmiller (or whoever else they'd use as a prism interpret all the world through) in sophomore year between vodka shots

it's the same game they pulled in Los Angeles: Santa Monica, Fairfax, Beverly Hills, and Westwood would've gotten no traction keeping Metro out of their neighborhoods by saying they didn't want rail because they thought the riders would be Black and Latino--so what they did was pour millions into spurious anti-transit groups that'd corral Black and Latino protesters who'd disrupt meetings (unpaid, of course: the money goes to the likes of Eric Mann)

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