Really? Not sure if this is serious.... More taking it to the convention?

[bravenak]

These people really need to have a sitdown and discuss among themselves what they can possibly get out of drawing this thing out and constantly making more demands even though this thing is way past the point where he could ever possibly catch up.

Is someone pushing him to do this? Why is he still talking about taking it to the convention when there is no way he could ever possibly win on the first ballot? When there will be no second ballot?

The party is not going to meet all of his demands. He did not win. Hillary is up 12 points over Trump in some polls, so his arguments about polling are stale and he has not made any reasonable case for him getting his long list of demands met...

Sad to see the first female nominee of a major political party be treated like she must give in to the demands of the man who lost and be treated like she is not the real actual winner. To tell her she must remake Her platform in HIS image, or else, is kinda depressing and I see stuff like this in the workplace and school often.



http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283448-sanders-spokesman-sanders-has-no-plans-to-drop-out

[BobbyDrake]

1. BS for Vendetta.

Sanders is taking his loss personally and lashing out at anyone and everyone he thinks did him wrong.

Sad to watch, really.

[bravenak]

3. I feel bad for him

He is making himself look terrible

[BobbyDrake]

8. Well, it's to be expected. The current polling of Clinton vs Trump is sinking Bernie's whole

"electability" argument like the Titanic. Superdelegates are not going to look at a double-digit lead by Clinton and say, "Better call in Bernie instead." He bet all his chips on a long shot, lost badly, and doesn't strike me as the type who handles losing gracefully.

[bravenak]

10. I just hope he doesn't try to burn it all down on his way out of the spotlight

I think the fame got to him

[ChiciB1]

74. Bernie DID NOT Ask Any Of These People To Make Their Voices Heard...

The last time I heard there are at least three different groups who have been granted permits. They want to show what they support and I'm told they have said they will be VERY PEACEFUL. We shall see what reaction they'll get and I'm sure there will be those who will try to agitate whatever they're trying to do.

So be it!

[bravenak]

75. And so be it if agitators are arrested and the blame falls on him for the disruption

[swhisper1]

176. Such hate, you should take a pill

[HERVEPA]

177. Agitators huh? Same word used about folks who went South during Civil Rights movement.

Might want to try a word with a little less history.

[bravenak]

178. Thats nice dear

My family did not need to 'go south'. They was already there

[7wo7rees]

182. Hervepa did not suggest you go south, Bravenak. Suggested a different word without the history.

Agitators. We are all very aware your family was already there in the South, quite clear for quite some time.

Maybe you might need to take a break, nap, meditate. It will all be over soon and you will not have to fight so hard.

[HERVEPA]

183. You can take the "dear" crap and ....

And your family already being in the South is not relevant to my ost

[bravenak]

187. It was relevant in that we were already there, agitating against racism

The democratic party assisted us in ending Jim Crow. These agitators are protesting the party that ended Jim Crow. Dear.

[7wo7rees]

189. Leave off with "dear", dear. Condescending and off putting.

Read up, How to Win Friends and Influence People. Dale Carnegie

You need it!

[bravenak]

190. No

[Demsrule86]

124. Yes he did.

By not conceding and taking it to the convention he asked for this...he has become a sore loser and could help elect Trump.
As a woman, I am deeply offended and will not get over this anytime soon. I will send lots of money to anyone who runs against this guy...let him have a real contest for a change...I would love to see him lose his Senate seat...or at the very least every committee. He is also hurting down-ticket races and reducing our chances to take the Senate and the House....letting Bernie run was worse than nominating McGovern really.

[swhisper1]

175. and the anti hillary walk ins will be the violent ones, not bernie people at all

of coarse there are radicals in every group

[George II]

99. That's a contrived "excuse" for nominating him in the first place. All spring we've been hearing...

...."the will of the people" over and over again. Now that the people have demonstrated their will, it's something completely different.

Most states won
Most pledged delegates won
Most popular votes
Most superdelegates

What else is there now?

[swhisper1]

174. another poster who cant see beyond dems

[George II]

213. What does that mean? Are you implying that DEMOCRATS shouldn't follow the will of their voters?

[azurnoir]

31. are all your spoons still there?

ya never know

[bravenak]

45. Be nice if I ever had one clue what u were saying

[swhisper1]

82. hes looking "Mahvelous baby" and classy

[bravenak]

85. No really. He's not tho

[swhisper1]

96. he is just beginning, actually

[bravenak]

97. It's over for him regardless. Nobody is paying much attention anymore except to deride him

[7wo7rees]

185. I must say I have to hand it to you here! You are the best at staying on top of it for all of DU.

You are paying lots of attention and keeping everyone so very well informed! Thanks Brave....

[bravenak]

186. You're welcome. I am quite the trendsetter

[7wo7rees]

188. Not much. Just annoying and tired. Broken record.

[bravenak]

191. Some people get envious and throw shade

[7wo7rees]

195. Not envious, not throwing"shade".

Again may I recommend, Dale Carnegie, How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I see you failing miserably at it right now.

[bravenak]

196. They keep it up cause they find me fascinating

[7wo7rees]

201. Boring and offensive rather. I give. You win, Brave, you win.

But what have you won? Will be interesting, to say the very least.

In the very early days of DU there was a poster living in DC whose name was something like Jiacinto. You remind us much of him. . . .

[bravenak]

202. That's nice for you to have had that friend back then

I hope he is well

[7wo7rees]

204. Not a friend. He did not fare well. He is missed by few.

I think we must be having a communication breakdown. Glitch, hell I don't know. I do know I'm done with back and forth with you. I hope you get over your angst about Bernie and his "supporters" soon. Be well.

[bravenak]

205. I hope they get over me soon

[swhisper1]

81. lashing?

[TwilightZone]

2. Well, he was rather specific with the "today, tomorrow, or the next day" comment. So, Friday?

I think it's just political theater at this point. I hope so anyway. I still expect him to drop out in the next week or so, though stuff like this certainly doesn't make that a given.

[bravenak]

4. I'm starting to think he will just try to keep this going forever

[sheshe2]

17. I don't see him stopping until November.

I'm serious.

[bravenak]

23. Fucking sad

I guess he'll quit next January a month after the electoral college meets and he can't flip them

[sheshe2]

106. It is unfucking believable.

He will not stop.

[bravenak]

111. Well. It's just a HER who won. Why accept the win as valid?

You know how it is.

[HERVEPA]

184. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with Hillary being a female.

[bravenak]

194. Yes it does

[kerry-is-my-prez]

207. Do you think he'd be doing this to Joe Biden? He is showing her no respect.

[bravenak]

209. No. I do not think he would even think about it.

And the media would be all over him if he did.

[swhisper1]

103. try to be serious. He will be so busy getting progressives into down tickets, he will wish Hill luck

and transition to the movement within a week, maybe take a week to rest up, but I doubt it- he's a terrier, tireless and fearless.

[Demsrule86]

142. After he primaries Dems who would have won and produces

Democratic losses, he will really be finished.

[swhisper1]

149. its a revolution baby, but so far, his choices have won their primaries

[Demsrule86]

168. Like Marcy Kaptur?

I live in Ohio...she always wins...captain obvious Sanders rides again.

[Jackilope]

18. You are correct on that part.

This is more than running for office. People want big money out of government and influencing politicians and government. Elections begin and end. Real vision and change takes time and grass roots. It would be a damn shame to give up on Progressive ideas and ideals and letting them die. Seriously, do you want to see the wealthy pay their fair share? Do you want an end to fracking?

The Democratic Party has been crapping on Progressives and taking their support for granted for a long time. Rahm Emmanual calling us names and smearing because we had no where else to go?

I know Corporate interests would like us to curl up and die. Is that how you feel?

I find nothing about vision and grass roots pathetic.

[bravenak]

60. Oh please

[swhisper1]

104. shout it brother

[Jackilope]

144. Sister, actually. :-).

[swhisper1]

146. me too, a sister, hard to tell with these names, sorry

[Jackilope]

161. It is all good. It is hard to tell by names. :-)

[AgingAmerican]

59. Hillary supporters needlessly perplexed

On this subject

[swhisper1]

84. convention

[TwilightZone]

88. No point.

If he wants to use the political capital he's gained, he should concede and endorse Clinton, then prepare for the platform discussions at the convention and work toward getting down-ticket Dems elected. Staying in the race until the convention doesn't make any sense. Nothing is going to change.

[swhisper1]

93. just watch, and be amazed

[Demsrule86]

135. Amazed at the antics of a guy who gives new meaning to the word sore loser. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

5. he said he will be able to "make other decisions" after meeting with Hillary

This statement can be read a bunch of different ways, but those words came straight from Sanders himself.

I don't have plans to go to the store on Friday, but it doesn't mean I won't.

[geek tragedy]

14. he better hurry if he wants to claim credit for helping her defeat Trump.

If she's leading Trump by double-digits in all the polls next week, his leverage goes up in smoke--it'll show she doesn't need him because of course his supporters won't vote for Trump

[Warren DeMontague]

52. I think he should concede this week.

That is my view.

[geek tragedy]

53. from a rational point of view, it makes sense for him to move on to the next

step.

he can still fight for reforms and convention planks leading up to the convention, even if he acknowledges what the end game is

politics is essentially taking credit and avoiding blame--seems to do either there's one course of action to take

[Warren DeMontague]

65. It's a Primary. He participated, he fought a good fight, but he lost.

The right thing to do is acknowledge the result and endorse the winner.

[swhisper1]

86. if she wont deal, god knows just how messy.......

[Demsrule86]

133. She should not deal

If he won't concede...she should move on. We were never getting his supporters anyway...so we will have to win without them.

[pat_k]

6. This is a possible course.

The following, or something similar, is what I think is most likely to do:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2182694

[bravenak]

20. Better try to get on school boards

City councils. Run mayors. Every damn board or governing body needs ppeople running for every seat from our side. Stop letting repubs run unopposed just because the party does not run anybody. Find out where we gave up at and win there, put in work and people will listen when yiu start winning or narrowing those gaps.

[azurnoir]

34. yepper we progs had better learn our place in The Parties pecking order, Huh?

it's so generous of you to allow us to run for school boards and such though I thank you truly I do

[bravenak]

41. Whatever

You ain't the owners of the word 'progressive'

[swhisper1]

89. well we know you are not one,

[bravenak]

92. Of coure you think it's your job to decide for me what I am. Of course you do

It's your privilege.

[swhisper1]

98. Oh, if I am in error, I apologize

[Squinch]

102. Seriously? She is talking about how things work and why the country has moved

right. She is simply pointing out where we are weak and where we can make progress.

And you are taking it as a personal insult?

Seriously?

You really don't get how this works, do you?

[WhiteTara]

122. If you don't a repuke will.

We need to stuff every office with Democrats. That's the only way we can win a revolution.

[pat_k]

54. +1

[oasis]

7. I'm a lifelong Democrat. I demand we keep closed primaries,

Super delegates, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[bravenak]

12. I want all primaries closed and DWS should not be treated like a pariah

The attacks need to stop and superdelegates not existing would not have helped him one bit so he needs to retire that talking point.

[swhisper1]

90. yeah keep out the americans

[oasis]

116. If you're not a Dem you don't get to pick my nominee for Prez.

It's just that simple.

[LoverOfLiberty]

9. I'm still of the opinion

that we wait til the end of the week to see how it pans out.

[bravenak]

15. I hope it ends. Trump is on m tv again. Hate trump

[LoverOfLiberty]

19. Agreed. Bernie can't say

that he would do all he can to keep Trump from winning and continue to hit Hillary.

I think he will do the right thing.

I doubt that some of his more rabid followers on DU will

[swhisper1]

101. I think it smart to wait until we find out if the RNC dumps Trump. Given a sane choice,

she wont have a prayer of winning

[LoverOfLiberty]

123. Who is the sane choice

that you would chose over Hillary?

[Demsrule86]

150. These people want us to believe they are progressive. I think may of them are

Trump supporters.

[swhisper1]

153. I am not familiar with republicans, I would not know

I would NOT choose any republican over Hillary, but I am a progressive. Many indies and relieved republicans, perhaps repug minorities, it is an unguessable number, but would be higher than Trump by far

[Demsrule86]

148. First of all, the GOP won't dump Trump.

And secondly, the fact you used the word sane republican in an actual sentence means you really do support the Republicans and want Hillary to lose. There are no sane Republicans except in opposite world...and the fact you want the Democratic nominee to lose should get you booted out of here after tomorrow...hope so.

[geek tragedy]

11. Lee has no plans to surrender to Grant at Appomattox, says spokesman nt

[bravenak]

13. Heh.

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. He was just channeling Cornwallis at Yorktown.

[MoonRiver]

16. I expect him to drag this out until the general election.

My guess is that, no matter what he previously said, he will run third party. Hope I am wrong but doubt it.

[leftofcool]

21. I agree. I never believed him about supporting the nominee.

[bravenak]

22. I hope not

But at this point I could see him trying. And failing miserably until he drops out.

[tritsofme]

24. Who cares, at this point? If he really wants to play pretend until the convention

And keep the money flowing to the Weaver/Devine Retirement Fund....I guess it doesn't bother me, if anything it gives me a chuckle.

Everyday that goes by Sanders becomes less relevant and Trump continues to self immolate.

[bravenak]

25. Maybe you're right

[Demsrule86]

139. And the antics of these two men Trump and Sanders towards the first female presidential candidate

is driving even women who liked Bernie nuts. So maybe in the end, Bernie's inability to accept his loss will help us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. It's not "over" until November 7th.

[bravenak]

29. Are you actually serious right now?

[swhisper1]

158. I see where she is going

[bravenak]

163. Not happnin

[swhisper1]

173. never say never, especially if RNC flips

[swhisper1]

107. he will get a ton of write ins, true and indys will lean Johnson and green

I wonder what Hillary's share will be. Right now shes a shoo-in. Lets see if she respects Bernie tonight and at the convention and beyond. Oh to be a fly on that wall

[Demsrule86]

152. I seriously dislike Bernie...now. nt

[swhisper1]

156. fine, thats your choice

[Demsrule86]

167. The choice of millions of primary voters who chose Hillary over Sanders. nt

[Demsrule86]

141. right Bernie should fight for the nomination until...election day...so happy we have but one day...

[brush]

143. Come on. You're seriously damaging your credibility.

[peace13]

28. This has nothing to do with her being female...

...but of course you knew that. She doesn't have to do anything. It's her choice.

[bravenak]

30. Yes it does

[swhisper1]

108. no

[bravenak]

113. I SAID YES

[swhisper1]

128. no

[bravenak]

130. So embarrasing how wrong you are

[Demsrule86]

145. It certainly does ...and we will not forget.

[LenaBaby61]

32. I have many friends who are...

Dyed in-the-wool Bernie supporters but they're even getting angry at him now. I'm not angry at him YET, because I know at some point this whole 'show' will end for him, and he'll have to drop out, as Hillary IS going to be the Dem nominee for POTUS. Losing is difficult and as we all know hurts like HELL, and at age 74 he's probably thinking about how long he'll be here to get things done he really wants to get done in his heart of hearts. But the reality is that he's not the only person to lose at something. Losing IS a part of life.

I'll continue to wait to see how the meeting between Sanders and Hillary shakes out first before I say anything more.

[still_one]

35. If he feels compelled to make these statements before the meeting, I wouldn't be too optimistic

about it

[swhisper1]

110. if they feel disappointed, then they were in it for the wrong reason

it was never the presidency. I am ecstatic he got this far, cracking eyes open around the world

[still_one]

33. whether he drops out or not is immaterial. Hillary will be the next President, with or without him,

[azurnoir]

37. So you're announcing Hillary doesn't need his supporters votes- a great big THANK YOU!!!!!

I was considering but now I know She doesn't need us apparently

[still_one]

39. Then don't vote for her, it is your choice

[cwydro]

40. You would really let an internet post decide your vote?

I truly don't get that.

[still_one]

47. Isn't that something. That fact is though, anyone considering not voting for Hillary, knowing that

the republican nominee will be trump, no amount of convincing is going to change that mind set

People are going to do what people are going to do, regardless of what someone posts on a forum

[cwydro]

48. Spot on.

Well, we're in for a ride as this season develops!

[still_one]

49. ..........

[lapucelle]

56. I'm getting tired of being blamed and threatened.

If some Sanders voters use their votes as a weapon or a tool for revenge, it is on them, not me.

I don't control anyone's vote, and I'm not going to let anyone control mine with threats.

I was there in 2008 when Hillary lost under same rules that people are claiming were rigged in her favor, and I was there in 2000 when purity tests over matters that people don't even remember anymore led to the Bush presidency.

We can only hope that people do the right thing.

[still_one]

58. Actually a Survey USA poll through the Guardian indicated that for every 1 Sanders supporter who

said they would not vote for Hillary, 6 said they would

[Demsrule86]

159. Great post ...and I agree.

[MyNameGoesHere]

57. Apparently she doesn't.

however there is a candidate that is waiting for Sanders supporters with arms wide open.

[azurnoir]

208. Exactly which candidate are you advocating for Bernies supporters to turn to?

[MyNameGoesHere]

212. There is one waiting with arms wide open

I am sure you know that.

[azurnoir]

215. which candidate is waiting with open arms for Bernies supporters?

[MyNameGoesHere]

216. Arm wide open

the candidate has stated it many times. You're smart and pay attention to news sources right?

[azurnoir]

217. which candidate?

[brush]

151. It would be very silly to conclude from an online poster's comment that . . .

Hillary said she doesn't need Sanders' voters support.

How do you go from an anonymous post to that assumption?

[bravenak]

43. Yep

[swhisper1]

112. couldnt happen to a nicer person, she fits right in

[Squinch]

36. Bernie who?

[bravenak]

44. I know, right

[Squinch]

64. He could have been relevant, but he blew that. And he keeps blowing it.

Someone was describing his appearance on some news show where he had to talk really fast, and they cut away from him after only a minute or two.

His time is up.

[bravenak]

69. Nobody is listening to him anymore

Reminds me of how Snowden lost his mojo. The media grew bored with his announcements that he was going to reveal a stuning blow soon. Nothing much happened and now we never hear from him

[Squinch]

71. Yes. He was like Geraldo Rivera opening Capone's safe.

[bravenak]

72. I really think the crowds got to his head

[socialist_n_TN]

78. Why in the world would you think that Bernie "...could have been relevant...".........

to the corporate news outlets? They couldn't WAIT to marginalize him and, most importantly, his message. That mild social democratic message that the rest of the world has actually enacted, but will "never happen" here in the US is an anathema to the corporate news world AND their owners.

They started out ignoring him until the pressure of actual support made him impossible to ignore and they'll go right back to ignoring him and his message as soon as possible. That's the way they want it. It's up to the supporters now. Will they allow themselves to be ignored or will they demand attention to the message.

[Squinch]

94. He got tons more air time than Hillary did, and his message was very well

publicized. It just wasn't compelling enough to win him a majority.

I liked much of his message in the beginning. It just quickly became clear that he was not someone who could enact any of it. And as this became widely understood, he became negative and silly. And now he has completely spent all the influence that he could have used productively.

My guess is that his revolution will go the way of Occupy.

OTOH, I think Hillary will push through and enact many of the things that she and BS agreed upon (because, after all, they agreed on 93% of issues when they were both in the Senate,) and she will get us more than BS ever would have.

[swhisper1]

115. they sure fought him, didnt they, and they lost

people are awake now. Only folks who believe they "Can't" will go back to sleep

[politicaljunkie41910]

38. Oh, I wish I was her negotiator.

I'd be subtracting things for every day he stayed in the race past Today. i.e. 1 day extra, your 4 people on the platform committee just dropped to 3. When we get down to zero of his peeps on the platform committee we then move to whether or not you will be speaking at the Convention. For each additional day you remain, we move you closer to the first day of the convention and an hour earlier in the day, until he's speaking to an empty convention center at 8:00 a.m. on day 1. Don't get me started. Trump is losing support by the day. Bernie is losing leverage by the day. Hold your position Hillary. Don't give in to blackmail. Bernie is not Putin or the Ayatollah.

[bravenak]

42. Me too

She should not pay ransom

[PrettyKitty48]

46. Thank you!

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Time to get serious. We simply don't have any more time to help nurse Bernie's tender hurtin' fee-fees. There need to be consequences to his inaction.

[swhisper1]

117. I suspect you would

Trump is losing more each day, but they are not going to Hillary. Johnson is up 2% in as many days. 3 more and he gets to be in the debates. Is he her next Bernie? Lets wait with baited breath

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

50. "These people"?

I can only imagine the "racist/sexist/misogynist" posts if a Bernie supporter had said this.

[bravenak]

51. Oh so oppressed

[jalan48]

55. +1

[swhisper1]

119. dont bait to any hillbots, they are rabid

[workinclasszero]

61. He is pissing away any power he and his faction might have gained in the democratic party

Oh well

[bravenak]

62. Yep

Good bye. Somebody needs to hand Bernie his hat and coat and see him to the door.

[workinclasszero]

63. From this point on its going to get real embarrassing for him if he keeps it up

People will whisper and snicker, you know? Like this:

[Squinch]

66. And all signals are that he will be keeping it up.

[bravenak]

68. It will be brutal for him in the senate

[workinclasszero]

76. No pity from me bravenak

He earned all the scorn he will be collecting.

[bravenak]

80. No hero's welcome for him

Maybe a nice bit of shunning

[NJCher]

118. so brutal

in your dreams, honey.

Come back and talk to me when you can get 30,000 to a stadium to listen to you.



Cher

[bravenak]

129. The Senate is not a stadium filled with his adoring fans

He only seems to have gotten ONE senator to endorse him. You really think he has much SWAY over those lifelong ESTABLISHMENT Superdelegates he called corrupt for the pasy year day in day out? Lo fucking l.

[NJCher]

170. have you been drinking?

I would have a response to you, but "pasy" year?

And what is "Lo fucking i?" Never heard that one.

Anyway, when/if you sober up or the swelling in your fingers has gone down from beating yourself up with a hammer, recall that the people in Congress go on to jobs as lobbyists. You think the merry-go-round will continue if someone like Bernie has power?

Here ya' go: Hope that helps.



Cher

[bravenak]

179. I dont drink unlike some folks who get all swoony over politicians

[brush]

171. If they had only voted.

[Lord Magus]

114. It's amazing that Bernie doesn't seem to realize his leverage shrinks by the day. -nt-

[swhisper1]

120. party members are not his goal

[Rex]

67. Does he have anything to gain by taking it to the convention? nt

nt

[bravenak]

70. No

[Rex]

73. Well then his only other reason for staying in is to give her a hard time.

I am asking, because usually people will stick with a goal if there is something to gain. If there is nothing to gain, then it is kinda like trolling...

[bravenak]

77. I see him losing leverage by the day

The media cuts away fast. He is rarely mentioned exceot in a derisive way. Nothing to gain at this point, just refuses to accept the loss. Not sure if it's trolling or just stubbornness

[Rex]

79. Stubbornness imo.

He just won't quit and has people telling him to stay in it, so he does.

[swhisper1]

121. Quite alot

[MoonRiver]

127. Care to elaborate?

[Rex]

210. What can he gain?

It was an honest question.

[k8conant]

83. I'll be glad on the 16th

when the DU Hillary supporters try to find their reasons for supporting her instead of just being against Bernie.

[bravenak]

87. I'll be glad when the other side has to support the candidate or find someplace else to be

[k8conant]

91. I'll be glad when the candidate has to support the people

[bravenak]

95. I'll be glad when the faux oppressed stop thinking they represent all the 'people'. They do not.

[k8conant]

100. Here's to the faux riche!

[bravenak]

109. Yeah umm hmm

[swhisper1]

131. and you? who do you rep? 4%

[bravenak]

134. I think blacks are more than four percent by now

[swhisper1]

169. I stand corrected .I do like to be educated, what percentage would you say?

[bravenak]

197. Try google

Then google how much percentage we are of democrats. Then google women. Find that percentage. Then see what percentage women make up of the party. Those are my groups. I think we have quite a big portion.

[swhisper1]

198. well, thats relative half of dems are women, half of dem women are for Hillary

I cant find the number of AA dem women, but I will say, Hill gets 80% of AA dem women.. I will be generous and say 20% of half the dem women are for hillary. That comes to 10% of dems who will vote for Hillary are AA women.

Now, dems are 29% of the populace of the nation, women are half that number(14.5%). The 10% of that number is 1.45, round that up to 1.5% of the nation, throw in some AA indys that will go your way. That is a huge block (over 40% of americans). Stretching it, I see 3% of americans are pro Hillary black women.

Now if I could get google to cough up how many AA democratic women there are, I could be more exact , but maybe you will have better luck if you really care to continue this ridiculous conversation

[bravenak]

200. Women are more than half of the party

Men lean Republican, especially white men, so that must be taken into account. Blacks vote at a higher rate than other groups so factor that in, and black women even more so.
So if you take the exit polls from2012, you see that Romney won whites, men and women, Obama got everybody else, so even though there are many white men in the party, they left the party in droves years ago when civil right for blacks passed by democrats hands. That is why we are the party of feminists, civil rights and social justice.

I think I can find the study I read if I try super hard.

[jamese777]

105. I'm One Of The People

and I support myself, thank you very much. I don't need some politician to do it for me.

[swhisper1]

126. amen

[Demsrule86]

154. Bernie has shown by his behavior, he only supports himself. nt

[swhisper1]

125. Error. we dont have to support her, we just get to point to findings and news links

and observe. When we have to vent, it will be elsewhere, linking to your posts for all to see. It is a grand set-up

[bravenak]

132. And we can alert those posts to get the negativity against the nominee off the board

And we will get behind the nominee.

[Demsrule86]

137. You will be alerted...because you all can't help yourself

and will attack thinking you are so...clever...but anyone can see through you.

[swhisper1]

162. I have no desire to attack. After tonight, I am done venting and going on to more important issues

[Demsrule86]

165. Really

Good, we don't need to throw the election to the monster Trump.

[bravenak]

166. Good

[Demsrule86]

157. Posting attack articles will get a savvy Skinner to toss you all out...enjoy the silly website

Yes, I went to it...and honestly, it was pathetic.

[swhisper1]

160. it is apples and oranges

[swhisper1]

164. I have never posted an article and have no intention of doing so but I will

engage in the discussion and use tact

[swhisper1]

172. It is pretty bad, just as pathetic as the radical hillbots here, but the really good writers are

there, those who offer solutions we can kick around without bloodletting, realistic communication, honest exposure of flaws and criminal acts, lies and a look to the future. That is no longer here on DU. I hope it will return, but its a cesspool now.

[swhisper1]

140. it will be extremely boring here

the only interesting things will be new scandals- wikileaks or FBI, or more "mis-statements" from madam pres? Maybe more bobble-head reactions to questions, and cackling?

Nothing Trump will be worth reading. We can always go to photograpy, thats always cheering and pleasent. Groups that use to be ignored can surge while the boring election drags itself to the boring conclusion. We need a down-ticket group, that could be stimulating -cheering on dems in battle with psycho Republicans

[rjsquirrel]

136. Loser

He had such a great start. Now he throws it all away and will be remembered for how he lost joy what he won.

Sad. Beaten like a rented mule.

[bravenak]

147. A shameful end to his campaign

[rjsquirrel]

155. Absolutely

Disgraceful and petty and small.

Al Giordano for Senate.

[eastwestdem]

180. He better make a deal soon...his leverage is rapidly diminishing. nt

[bravenak]

181. Yep

[Gothmog]

192. Sanders would be making a big mistake if he overplays his hand

With Warren, Clinton can go on eithout sanders

[bravenak]

193. Yes, he would

His legacy will be tarnished

[pnwmom]

199. His white male privilege is showing.

He thinks he's entitled to hand a list of "demands" to the woman who beat him, fair and square, by several million votes -- something that no other losing candidate has done in history.

Sadly, it's not a coincidence that the winner is the first woman nominee in history.

[bravenak]

203. I agree. It is certainly no coincidence.

[Beacool]

206. I'm against caucuses. How about eliminating the most undemocratic process of them all?

As for primaries, they should all be closed. Want to vote in a primary? Then have some skin in the game and join a political party. Also, learn the voting regulations in your state, instead of whining how you were disenfranchised. It's your fault if you can't figure out what the voting requirements are in your state.

As for the super delegates, I don't care one way or the other. Since their implementation in the 1984 election, they have never subverted the will of the people. The candidate with the most pledged delegates wins the nomination. The closest Democratic primary results in modern times was in 2008. Hillary and Obama had 48% of the popular vote respectively. But, Obama had a small pledged delegate advantage of 102. The super delegates switched in enough numbers to nominate Obama.

For all the complaining that Sanders has done over the super delegates, even if they did not exist, he still would have lost the nomination. Hillary is ahead by 387 pledged delegates and 3.7M votes. It wasn't even close, she won solidly.

[bravenak]

211. I would love to end caucuses

They were the only reason people were talking about 'momentum' rather than looking at delegate totals.
I don't mind superdelegates because they prevent us from having a Trump situation.

[Beacool]

214. I agree.

I have disliked caucuses for years, regardless of who was in the running. They are archaic and disenfranchise far too many people. Look at the crazy system they have in WA. A handful of people caucused, while thousands voted in the primary. Yet, the only delegates allocated were in the caucus. How's that democratic?

[Jamaal510]

218. If he's not

going to drop out and endorse the former SOS, I wouldn't at all be against the Dems finding someone to primary him for his re-election bid in 2018. I hope they at least take note of this for the next Democratic presidential primaries (whether it's 2020 or 2024) and make new rules to discourage people who pledge no loyalty to our party from joining to muck things up.