OK. I got it out of my system

[Binkie The Clown]

I had to walk away for a while. The negativity was just getting to me.

I strongly favor Bernie, and strongly opposed Hillary, but that's the past, and right now the future is what matters. Hillary is our candidate, and it's time to reconcile ourselves to that and get on with the job of putting a D in the White House.

And if something really black-swanish happens and Hillary is indicted or otherwise tarnished, and the party puts Joe up front, well then that's who we have to fight for too. Right now, as important as my principles are to me, my first principle is to never let anyone like Trump ever get near the White House.

[PowerToThePeople]

1. I don't have any negativity

and Hillary will not have my vote in November or any support from me until then.

[qdouble]

2. Let it all out... Trump thanks you for your support.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. He gets no support from me.

Not supporting Hillary does not equal supporting Trump.

0+0=0

[qdouble]

8. Seeking to undermine the presumptive nominee does = supporting Trump... that's why it's against the

TOS in a day or two.

[itsrobert]

10. 100000 for Trump > 99999.99 + 0

thanks

[Adrahil]

18. So, you don't care who wins or who loses? NT

[PowerToThePeople]

19. Out of the two

Hillary is the better choice.

I just can not cast a vote for her or give her any other support than to say she is better than Trump.

That does not mean much, being not as bad as Trump.

[Adrahil]

23. Well, one of them will win.

If you actually care who wins (or loses) then vote to make that outcome more likely, even if she isn't your ideal candidate, or even a decent candidate in your view.

As the campaign went on, I became convinced that Sanders was a terrible choice for President, but still a million times better than any Republican. I would have still voted for him, if not enthusiastically.

That isn't, IMO, betraying your conscience. We live in a complicated world, filled with shades of gray. And as distasteful as it is, sometimes voting for one shade of gray lighter is the best option we have.

Just food for thought. Good luck on your personal journey on this one. I know it can't be easy for you.

[LoverOfLiberty]

36. Let them have thier snit

they just want to feel important by trying to get us to change their minds.

If they truly won't vote for the Democratic candidate in November then they either aren't a Democrat, don't care for the Democratic Party, or live in an area where it doesn't matter anyway.

[tallahasseedem]

3. If that's the case...

you are now in violation of DU rules...going against the Democratic nominee.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. There is no nomimee until the convention

and DU is not in GE mode until the 16th.

[tallahasseedem]

9. Oh, I get it...

your only for power to the people if they support your nominee.

He lost...the power of the people voting in the Democratic primary have spoken.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. The people still have the power

to vote their conscience in November.

I deny that to no one.

[TwilightZone]

13. Which would result in...no power.

Ironic, that.

[PowerToThePeople]

14. We disagree on that point.

[TwilightZone]

15. Vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson or Mickey Mouse and see what you get out of it.

Other than a little self-satisfaction.

[Live and Learn]

25. +10,000 nt

[rjsquirrel]

29. Yeah he's for power to

people who vote the way he likes.

Can you believe they didn't just give it to the male candidate who lost by 400 delegates and 3.5 million votes? Sheesh.

[MyNameGoesHere]

20. Time to #bernout. Or fade away. Eom

[PowerToThePeople]

21. None of the above

Very similar to my vote in Nov.

[MyNameGoesHere]

22. Time isn't on your side. Tick, tick, tick. Eom

[Dem2]

38. Bye.

You don't understand why we post here then.

[radical noodle]

4. Welcome back

I completely agree with you. Your vote will be appreciated.

[itsrobert]

6. You don't like "the negativity"

But you imply Hillary might be "indicted or otherwise tarnished"

That doesn't sound negative to you?

[Warren DeMontague]

12. He said "if". It's a legitimate point.

Doesnt mean its likely, certainly not desirable.

But as long as there is an active FBI investigation, you want to pretend it doesnt exist?

Its not voldemort. Mentioning it wont summon it and ignoring it wont make it go away. Quantum mechanics only works that way in Oprah's book club.

[Fumesucker]

27. He also made it clear that he doesn't think Bernie will get the nomination in that case

So you have a Bernie supporter ready to vote for a candidate who never ran in the primaries parachuted into the nomination but you're still not happy, only total capitulation is acceptable.

[RobertEarl]

16. Party unity is where it's at

Bernie can make it happen. Who would oppose it?

[Live and Learn]

26. Party unity, right or wrong? My country, right or wrong?

[realmirage]

17. Glad you are still on the side that knows the orangewalker

will destroy us all if we don't unite

[eastwestdem]

24. It's hard. We all get so invested.

But now it's time to go after Donald!!

[highprincipleswork]

28. My first principle is for the Democratic Party to act like the Democratic Party on behalf of those

truly struggling, the working class, and middle class Americans everywhere.

[rjsquirrel]

30. Then why did Hillary win

working class and minority voters?

[highprincipleswork]

32. So you agree that Hillary doesn't act like the Democratic Party

on behalf of those really struggling, the working class, and middle class Americans everywhere?

[rjsquirrel]

33. Not at all

I am sayin she has had significantly more working class support than your supposed working-class hero. So are those voters stupid? False consciousness? What do elite socialist revolutionaries say when that happens?

[highprincipleswork]

37. I'd say I have no idea why so many Americans vote for corporatists, but it's not necessarily for

good reasons.

[rjsquirrel]

39. As I suspected

Your revolution is one of elites. You think poor and minority voters don't know enough to vote their own interests. That's called a "false consciousnes" argument in Marxist theory and it's proof that Marxist radicals (of whom Bernie has plenty on his team) are anti-democratic and want to tell working class folks what's good for them.


When such people actually gain power, the new boss is often worse than the old one. Ask any Venezuelan.

This is exactly why you lost, by the way. American voters are not as dumb as you think and they know when they are being lectured to by elitists influenced by vultures like Cornell West and Susan Sarandon of serious radicals like Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky. But all of them comfortable and educated and none of them working class.

The " revolution" was obviously a joke to a majority of working class democrats. It was a collegiate exercise. And as you now know, young people don't vote reliably.

The struggle continues. On campus anyway. HRC ALSO won Berkeley and Brooklyn, which must really hurt y'all but cracks me up. And even how you folks way overestimate your remaining supporters as you make amusing threats against the party you took advantage of.

[highprincipleswork]

40. All the name calling in the world, which I'm not doing, will not affect one bit the realities of the

economics of the situation. Of that I am sure.

[rjsquirrel]

41. That's not name calling

it's analysis.

If you find being called out for Marxist elements of your candidate's campaign name calling that ain't my problem.

[highprincipleswork]

42. Suffer along nicely.

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By the way, Bernie isn't embraced only by "elites".

And yes, that is name-calling. And yes, now that we're at it, I do believe that PoC have been hoodwinked, to use an Obama term, by the corporate side of the Democratic Party.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. I'm relieved that there's at least one Bernie supporter here who sees the danger in Trump.

Thank you for brave enough to admit it.

[LWolf]

34. I no longer

identify with a "we."

I, too, have principles. I, too, do not want to see him become president. Where that falls in my list of priorities, whether or not there is a "first" principle, and what that might be? I'm not there yet. It's probably a good thing GDP is going away. I can probably come to a better decision about priorities without reading DU, because the neo-liberals here push me towards a "fuck you" vote that might not actually align with my principles, but with my anger. Right now they are working hard to convince me that neo-liberals are as hateful, as dangerous, and as much my enemy than Trump. And that takes some doing.

[auntpurl]

35. Thank you for your vote for Democracy.

I appreciate your ability to think deeply and see the big picture.